Not75Drops
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Like what was said already, Pachirisu probably wouldn't have worked if Japan was more prevalent that year.
Pokemon VGC 2016 Ruleset - Up to 2 legendaries allowed per team
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Like what was said already, Pachirisu probably wouldn't have worked if Japan was more prevalent that year.
Aaronrules380
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Yeah. It's really the same as Deoxys still being banned
PreyingShark
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I think Mega Rayquaza is overrated in this format. Like, taking up both a mega spot *and* a big legend spot? No thanks. I'm not a fan of hogs.
Like seriously, I want my Mega Kangaskhan please.
Like seriously, I want my Mega Kangaskhan please.
Aaronrules380
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Mega Ray can easily be used with another mega in vgc. Keep in mind you only bring 4 of 6 pokemon out in each battle, and you can simply choose not to mega evolve rayquaza if you want to use the other mega. And normal rayquaza is still great
You do realize you can still have both, right?
Not activated as Mega Evolved at the same time you can't
Aaronrules380
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Obviously, but it's easy to work around in vgc, and rayquaza is still very viable if you choose to mega evolve something else for a round
Aaronrules380
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Darkrai still banned thankfully since it's a mythical
Most of the worst ones are legal and have been legal since forever.
I would know.
Aaronrules380
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Amen. Even a smeargle using dark void can be annoying as hell
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PreyingShark
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Mega Kangaskhan is something I would be bringing almost every round. So in effect I would basically have a regular Rayquaza.
And I don't think regular Rayquaza is even worth considering as one of my two legends when things like Primal Groudon and Xerneas exist.
Aaronrules380
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I think mega Ray is better than mega khangaskhan personally. I'd personally rather use mega rayquaza and a more situational mega that can act as a counter to certain threats.
Welp...
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Which goes to show they'd rather impose rules based on semantics rather than actual game balance.
Aaronrules380
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Phione is just a weird offshoot of banning manaphy. Though still strange since you can breed phione
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Aaronrules380
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The m-rayquaza one isn't completely wrong, especially in doubles. Keep in mind dragon ascent lowers both it's defenses after each use, and it's likely using life orb. The main issue is that it's absurdly good at what it does. Also keep in mind that mega Ray is a lot weaker in doubles, since even if it kills one pokemon the other can still attack it. It isn't like singles where a kill negates the threat of damage, and if the opponent protects they can avoid the kill as well
There are no ability bans. Moody isn't even great in doubles.
Moody's always been allowed. It's only OP in singles.
What are you talking about? The only reason Pachirisu was usable in 2014 is because the metagame was so centralized and limited. Guess what? In 2010 we had this same format as this and Parasect made Top 8 at Worlds.
If they weren't cover legends then their stats, moves, etc. wouldn't be what they are now. Don't be stupid.
Then that means you're losing out on your secondary Legendary slot. Mega Rayquaza is extremely limiting. People in this thread are having kneejerk reactions with zero experience in the metagame or really even competitive Pokemon.
How was it, and was it as "broken"/"centralized" as so many people in this thread are saying?
It was only 30 battles with teams locked so hard to really get much out of it. All I got from my friend who took part was that Mega Rayquaza was underwhelming and that Primal Groudon was ridiculous as is Xerneas. I expect those two Pokemon to be what the better players gravitate towards early in the season as they try to figure out the format.
Oh right, thought these rules applied to singles too (I'm basing a lot of my knowledge on Smogon's ruleset)
Rayquaza is a 680 BST Pokemon with 150 offenses and a relevant ability. Calling it "losing our on your secondary legendary slot" is hilarious. It's not as good as Xerneas or Primal Groudon, but it's still a monster.
Though Xerneas+Primal Groudon+Mega Khan is currently the core everyone is worried about.
It can Mega Evolve as long as the move Dragon Ascent is in its moveset. No Mega Stone required.
I honestly don't think enough has changed from what made Rayquaza a subpar choice before. It's a bit too frail for a Doubles environment. Extreme Speed is cool as is Air Lock but I don't see what else it really brings to the table over the other choices available.
I don't understand. Is there like an option to mega evolve in the menu?
It was quite fun, but as Firestorm said there was only 30 battles so hard to get a good hold of things.
I used a Hawlucha in that. Did surprisingly well, managed to OHKO Xerneas, Mega Mewtwo and Primal Kyogre...though Primal Kyogre was down to a Critical Hit
The option is still there, it only appears if you have Dragon Ascent as a move.
Tacorona72
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This is not the ruleset I expected. Much more crazy.
I wonder how teams will look at regionals, nationals, and worlds. Expecting M-Rayquaza's, M-Kangaskhan's, and a Primal on dang near everyones team.
I wonder how teams will look at regionals, nationals, and worlds. Expecting M-Rayquaza's, M-Kangaskhan's, and a Primal on dang near everyones team.
I do not see this being all that fun from a teambuilding or battling perspective. This is just going to end up making the issues people had with last year worse.
I think that has more to do with the fact that it would be borderline impossible for some people to get them and that punishes people who bought the game after those events.
I think that has more to do with the fact that it would be borderline impossible for some people to get them and that punishes people who bought the game after those events.
Prankster Gravity strikes again
Which is part of why blue pentagon exists, to block event only moves from Gen 3 that kept cropping up.
This is why I hate competitive Pokemon. They ban all the fun stuff so only a dozen or so Pokemon become feasible to play.
The Shadow Knight
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The problem is not banning enough, causing a select set of Pokemon that are clearly the best choice to overcentralize the metagame to bits.
This is obviously an attempt at shaking things up a bit while the generation winds down. It will likely manage do this in the first few months, but by the time worlds is held we will likely be in a similar spot to last time.
While I wouldn't personally go as far as saying Mega Rayquaza is subpar, my experience with it is that its not super ultra broken like a lot of people think either. Like its been said, Mega Rayquaza dies a LOT faster in doubles than singles, so its a lot more difficult to use effectively. Personally, I found the best use for Rayquaza / Mega Rayquaza was to pair it with another weather mon (I use it with Primal Kyogre personally). I found having that double weather control could really throw Primal Groudon for a loop!
Hell, I remember a lot of people ended up replacing Mega Rayquaza with Mega Salamence to free up a slot for another Uber. Mega Salamence also has more speed and that pre mega evo intimidate, which can really come in handy.
I totally agree with Firestorm that Primal Groudon is the best mon in this format by the way. Its bulky, got plenty of power, excellent moves like percipire blades, and that amazing ability. Hell, theres even a Specially based Groudon set you can use to knock Aegislash off its ass and prevent it from Wide Guarding while a Primal Kyogre switches in!
Theres some funky stuff in this metagame too last time I played it, such as people using Worry Seed Whimsicott to get rid of Desolate Land on Groudon. And that was just during practicing on free battle / the 30 match tournament. I'm sure theres plenty of room for this metagame to develop in interesting ways!
Hell, I remember a lot of people ended up replacing Mega Rayquaza with Mega Salamence to free up a slot for another Uber. Mega Salamence also has more speed and that pre mega evo intimidate, which can really come in handy.
I totally agree with Firestorm that Primal Groudon is the best mon in this format by the way. Its bulky, got plenty of power, excellent moves like percipire blades, and that amazing ability. Hell, theres even a Specially based Groudon set you can use to knock Aegislash off its ass and prevent it from Wide Guarding while a Primal Kyogre switches in!
Theres some funky stuff in this metagame too last time I played it, such as people using Worry Seed Whimsicott to get rid of Desolate Land on Groudon. And that was just during practicing on free battle / the 30 match tournament. I'm sure theres plenty of room for this metagame to develop in interesting ways!
What fun stuff was banned last year? VGC2015 had very few bans. 2016 has even less.
Indeed
And a lot of stuff was workable in that. Just because a lot of people used similar stuff doesn't mean there's a lack of variety.
I commentated London regionals last month, and there was some great variety in the teams I saw.
Competed in Nationals in May, lots of cool stuff.
