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Police face level of disrespect never seen before, says Chicago police union boss

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This article is fascinating just to see the level of deflection on display. This guy is either in an eight-foot thick echo chamber, or he just doesn't want to believe that this a natural backlash against institutional oppression and harassment by the Chicago PD. Some choice quotes:

"The perception of a lot of police officers in the City of Chicago is that nobody has their backs," Dean Angelo Sr., president of the local Fraternal Order of Police, said in a luncheon address to the City Club on Tuesday. He spoke of a "deafening silence" in support of police as they deal with an "enormous level of confrontation, a level of disrespect we have not seen."

Angelo blamed the "Ferguson effect," referring to last year's police protests over the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and said people who record officers with their phones are "hoping for a payday." He also said new demands for increased paperwork contributed to why Chicago Police "are down over 150,000 street stops" this year.
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Angelo insisted there were "only" 404 police shootings over an eight-year period ending last year, while there were 13,000 cases of assault on officers over that same time frame.
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According to Angelo, the "humanization of policing" is the untold story in the media. "We're human," he said. "We're just like everybody else."
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Angelo has been under fire, most recently for hiring Jason Van Dyke as Van Dyke's murder case in the shooting death of Laquan McDonald plays out in court.

Angelo also took issue with the release of Shaquille O'Neal, who was freed after a video emerged showing a police officer kicking him in the head in an arrest.

"We are more than tired of being considered by some to be second-class citizens and not worthy of the same protections under the law guaranteed to any other citizen," Angelo wrote in a letter posted on the union's Facebook page in which he signed off: "Be safe and God bless the Police."

O'Neal was subsequently arrested again and charged with aggravated battery.
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If you want to know how maddening it can be to deal with the Chicago PD, I'd highly encourage you to read Vice's City of Silence about two men who were viciously beaten by off-duty cops, and then intimidated and exhausted into giving up their crusade for justice. It's bleak and makes my blood boil.
 
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echoshifting

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This is a very...interesting...application of the term "second-class citizen." It's kinda like he doesn't even know what that means?
 
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hawk2025

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Maybe stop protecting bad apples that result in a giant stink coming from the cart?

Stop persecuting minorities, while we're at it?


Edit: Yep, what the first reply said.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Or maybe that aura of being untouchable and above reproach is finally fading away now that things like Cell Phone cameras show them to be as human as the rest of us and in many cases far less so in their actions towards the people they're suppose to be protecting.
 
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QuantumBro

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"We are more than tired of being considered by some to be second-class citizens and not worthy of the same protections under the law guaranteed to any other citizen,"
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That goes both ways my friend.
 
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Omegasquash

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The "Ferguson Effect"?

Not the shooting and demonizing of Michael Brown, who's name they don't use, but the "Ferguson Effect"? Wowsers.
 
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Caelus

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We are more than tired of being considered by some to be second-class citizens and not worthy of the same protections under the law guaranteed to any other citizen
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Don't they receive more protection, if anything? Sigh...
 
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geomon

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Treat people better and they'll treat you better. Why is this so hard to understand? Many other countries don't have this problem.
 
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Ziltoidia 9

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You should respect the person, not just because they are the police.

If said person isn't respectable, then don't respect them.
 
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SecretDan

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geomon said:
Treat people better and they'll treat you better. Why is this so hard to understand? Many other countries don't have this problem.
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While this is certainly good advice, and I fully believe the police are doing a poor job, they are also tasked with policing a heavily armed population. Most other countries police don't have to deal with that.
 
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Omegasquash said:
The "Ferguson Effect"?

Not the shooting and demonizing of Michael Brown, who's name they don't use, but the "Ferguson Effect"? Wowsers.
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The Department of Justice coined the term, I'm pretty sure - or at least they've been using it to try and figure out why the uptick in homicides in big cities
 
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SecretDan said:
Why would anyone want to be a cop these days?
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well, you get good pay for the level of education you need, plus a full pension

and there's virtually no danger since you can just blow someone away at the first sign of aggression
 
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SecretDan said:
Why would anyone want to be a cop these days?
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Because it's hard, not a lot of people will like or respect you for it, but it has to be done, and you have a chance of making a positive difference by protecting and serving your community.

At least that's my reason if I were one. Due to my asthma and other health issues, I will never be a cop, but I plan to work alongside officers, which is why I am pursing the legal sector. If health wasn't an issue, I'd be a cop.

I have great respect for my local police. They've helped me out so much. I don't associate bad apples with the whole force, I'm better than that. And yes, I've dealt with crooked officers myself, but my view of the police as a whole isn't soured by it.

Want the force cleaned up? Get more good people who want to serve their community in the force instead of demo isn't it as a whole. It's the only way things can get better, by getting more good people in it. Disrespecting the risk and sacrifice many of these officers put on the line every day is not helping any good people inserted in the force to actually join.

Why would anyone want to be a cop? Everyone has a different answer, but when someone's answer is to serve and help local communities and people in the neighborhood, we should be encouraging them, because we need more good people who don't crave power on the force!
 
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Moppeh

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Yeesh...

How can shit like that be said and not one person goes, "uh, maybe this won't help our image problem".

As a guy who knows and works with police daily, it really sucks to see how much disrespect they get these days. At the same time, many of these issues can be resolved by actually creating a safer community and having police officers who are competent. Proper training and restraint in the police force is the best solution to ensure a fair level of respect for police officers. But I'm sure most administrators who could actually change how police operate in America would rather release statements like this and continue to do nothing.
 
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The 13000 cases of assault on an officer must have been hard to say with a straight face. Assault on officer is basically doing anything defensive when they manhandle you. That has to be one of the most made up charges in history.
 
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SecretDan said:
While this is certainly good advice, and I fully believe the police are doing a poor job, they are also tasked with policing a heavily armed population. Most other countries police don't have to deal with that.
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They chose the profession and all benefits/danger that comes with it.

Always makes me laugh/cry that cops are quick to pull the trigger while being pro gun.

Cops need better training, especially unarmed submission techniques.
 
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Milwaukee, but: A cop asked me if I heard a robbery behind my house, which I did not, and asked me for my information. When he saw I had a rural area code in my phone number, coming from a rural area himself, he felt comfortable enough to comment on how "we should all own guns because of those fuckers to the west." He was talking about black people.

I have some pleasant experiences with cops, but I also have a lot of guys trying to intimidate me and trick me out of my rights.

I don't imagine it's very different in nearby Chicago.
 
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and said people who record officers with their phones are "hoping for a payday."
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If people didn't record the many instances of police brutality on their phones, many officers would have gotten away with it (well, more so than now). It's pretty clear that there are problems within the police force in regards to racism and dealing with people with mental disabilities, in light of these issues and until we can say that for the most part they have been resolved, the general public will continue to distrust police and their actions should rightly be recorded so that they can be subject to the level of scrutiny they deserve.
 
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SecretDan said:
While this is certainly good advice, and I fully believe the police are doing a poor job, they are also tasked with policing a heavily armed population. Most other countries police don't have to deal with that.
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I think the number of police shot and/or killed in the line of duty are a lot lower than you think.

HUELEN10 said:
Because it's hard, not a lot of people will like or respect you for it, but it has to be done, and you have a chance of making a positive difference by protecting and serving your community.

At leas that's my reason if I were one. Due to my asthma and other health issues, I will never be a cop, but I plan to work alongside officers, which is why I am pursing the legal sector.

I have great respect for my local police. They've helped me out so much. I don't associate bad apples with the whole force, I'm better than that. And yes, I've dealt with crooked officers myself, but my view of the police as a whole isn't soured by it.

Want the force cleaned up? Get more good people who want to serve their community in the force instead of demo isn't it as a whole. It's the only way things can get better, by getting more good people in it. Disrespecting the risk and sacrifice many of these officers put on the line every day is not helping any good people inserted in the force to actually join.
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Yeah, you're much better than that. Your post isn't helping me like cops.
 
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SecretDan

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And which country other has similar numbers?

Rembrandt said:
I think the number of police shot and/or killed in the line of duty are a lot lower than you think.
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I know what the number is.

Not every police interaction is going to end in someone being shot.

But the fact that guns are everywhere certainly has an affect on police interactions.

There is a huge amount of training that focuses on dealing with armed citizens. Most other modern countries don't have as large a focus on this.
 
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TheRagnCajun

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They should probably start by tearing down the blue wall. So long as they continue to protect the bad apples, they will be judged harshly as a whole.
 
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Nobody liked the mob and having to pay them protection from themselves either. Gee wonder why nobody likes the cops.
 
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HUELEN10 said:
Because it's hard, not a lot of people will like or respect you for it, but it has to be done, and you have a chance of making a positive difference by protecting and serving your community.

At least that's my reason if I were one. Due to my asthma and other health issues, I will never be a cop, but I plan to work alongside officers, which is why I am pursing the legal sector. If health wasn't an issue, I'd be a cop.

I have great respect for my local police. They've helped me out so much. I don't associate bad apples with the whole force, I'm better than that. And yes, I've dealt with crooked officers myself, but my view of the police as a whole isn't soured by it.

Want the force cleaned up? Get more good people who want to serve their community in the force instead of demo isn't it as a whole. It's the only way things can get better, by getting more good people in it. Disrespecting the risk and sacrifice many of these officers put on the line every day is not helping any good people inserted in the force to actually join.
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Uh what? Getting "good people" in the force isn't gonna matter when the core of the system is completely rotten. These "good people" follow the rules of the bad people. You need to dismantle it from the top, not the other way around.
 
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TyrantII

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Respect is earned.

If you're getting zero respect, there's obviously some sort of problem. You are public servant. Figure it out and fix it, or the community will fix it for you.
 
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Rembrandt said:
Less than 2000 total deaths in 9 years is worthy of an argument? More garbagemen die than cops.

And almost more died from car crashes.
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Again, not every interaction ends in someone being shot.

But the presence of guns certainly has an affect on how cops behave and is something that isn't has prevalent in other countries.
 
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Slayven

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SecretDan said:
And which country other has similar numbers?



I know what the number is.

Not every police interaction is going to end in someone being shot.

But the fact that guns are everywhere certainly has an affect on police interactions.

There is a huge amount of training that focuses on dealing with armed citizens. Most other modern countries don't have as large a focus on this.
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Considering there are 300 million plus guns in America, an average if 50 cops shot each year is damn near shocking

SecretDan said:
Again, not every interaction ends in someone being shot.

But the presence of guns certainly has an affect on how cops behave and is something that isn't has prevalent in other countries.
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Studies show the prevalence of black people does more for the way cops behave than the threat of a gun
 
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Viewt said:
If you want to know how maddening it can be to deal with the Chicago PD, I'd highly encourage you to read Vice's City of Silence about two men who were viciously beaten by off-duty cops, and then intimidated and exhausted into giving up their crusade for justice. It's bleak and makes my blood boil.
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Holy shit, this is a frustrating and mildly terrifying read. This corruption is exactly why people distrust the US police force.
 
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SecretDan

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Slayven said:
Considering there are 300 million plus guns in America, an average if 50 cops shot each year is damn near shocking
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Not sure why you are arguing this number. My original comment had nothing to do with the number of cops shot.

I believe that the presence of guns has an affect on police interactions, that is especially unique to this country.

What other country do they blow away people for holding a BB gun?

Slayven said:
Considering there are 300 million plus guns in America, an average if 50 cops shot each year is damn near shocking



Studies show the prevalence of black people does more for the way cops behave than the threat of a gun
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Ok. I believe that.

Lots of people interact with cops tho.
 
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