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[Xdrive05]

People in polls are blaming the GOP by almost 20 more points than Obama

Right now we are. We'll see how it looks this time next year.

God fucking damnit I HATE being cynical more than anything. But when this shit goes on...

 

[gcubed]

I cornered the entire frozen orange juice market.

Spoiler

silver for the win

I welcome you, my bearded compadre. Pick up Kinky on the way.

I'm 6'8 275, I'll be the muscle

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

Someone explain what the 14th amendment solution is to this. I don't understand.

 

[jamesinclair]

Damnit Obama, if you want people to contact their rep, make damn sure the website is running.

Let me guess, the GOP cut IT funding?

 

[eznark]

Am I invited? I don't yet have a baseball team to root for (grew up a Dogers fan but after O'Malley sold to Rupert I was done') I'd take the Brewers as my own. I do have a wife and daughter but they won't take up much room. I can also grow a fierce beard.

The Cult of Eznark is open to all except whichever mod perma'd JayDubya and that sick freak RiskyChris

 

[elrechazado]

can we all agree that obama and boehner are assholes for preempting master chef and or hell's kitchen?

 

[besada]

Also, your representatives have offices. An email is worthless, a call is just shy of worthless, an actual letter that you typed or hand-wrote is nearly worthless, but an office visit gets their attention. Of course, if you freak out they'll call security and sling you in the hoosegow.

I generally bombard my rep, generating emails, calls, and letters, all on the same subject. Of course, he's a die hard conservative and it's sort of like shouting at the sea, but his office sure as hell knows my name.

Of course, if you can somehow manage to deliver ten or twenty thousand postcards on an issue, you can make your rep shit his or her pants. That's how the NRA does it.

 

[Tamanon]

Someone explain what the 14th amendment solution is to this. I don't understand.

Basically the 14th argues that Congress can't jeopardize the good faith and credit of the Government's lending. Whether the concept of a debt ceiling applies is a slightly iffy one.

So the "solution" so to speak is to say "F it" and just keep paying out the debt.

 

[happyfunball]

Someone explain what the 14th amendment solution is to this. I don't understand.

People, seriously. Watch at 3:19 onward

Boner Response

Does that not sound like he is going to place Reid-McConnell up for a vote in the House?

 

[eznark]

Also, your representatives have offices. An email is worthless, a call is just shy of worthless, an actual letter that you typed or hand-wrote is nearly worthless, but an office visit gets their attention. Of course, if you freak out they'll call security and sling you in the hoosegow.

I generally bombard my rep, generating emails, calls, and letters, all on the same subject. Of course, he's a die hard conservative and it's sort of like shouting at the sea, but his office sure as hell knows my name.

Of course, if you can somehow manage to deliver ten or twenty thousand postcards on an issue, you can make your rep shit his or her pants. That's how the NRA does it.

I was going to mention this but there is no chance any of the reps come home between now and the second. I know where my representative live though. Due diligence is all....

 

[elrechazado]

The constitutional route is a non starter, as any serious scholar will tell you. Even noted conservative stalwarts like Larry Tribe will tell you this.

 

[eznark]

The constitutional route is a non starter, as any serious scholar will tell you. Even noted conservative stalwarts like Larry Tribe will tell you this.

I'm not going to bore you with the details, but Obama was a professor of constitutional law. If he does it, clearly it has to be constitutional.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

People, seriously. Watch at 3:19 onward

Boner Response

Does that not sound like he is going to place Reid-McConnell up for a vote in the House?

More frightening is the comments on that page. My god.

 

[Oblivion]

The constitutional route is a non starter, as any serious scholar will tell you. Even noted conservative stalwarts like Larry Tribe will tell you this.

Bruce Bartlett said he could do it.

 

[besada]

I was going to mention this but there is no chance any of the reps come home between now and the second. I know where my representative live though. Due diligence is all....

Yeah, but their secretaries make a note that you bothered to visit. Basically, whatever's hardest impresses them the most. I was escorted out of the building once, though, when I lost my temper. No hoosegow. I've managed to keep a clean police record since age fifteen.

 

[elrechazado]

I'm not going to bore you with the details, but Obama was a professor of constitutional law. If he does it, clearly it has to be constitutional.

Check. Mate.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I'm not going to bore you with the details, but Obama was a professor of constitutional law. If he does it, clearly it has to be constitutional.

Of course. Just like how the US bombing Libya isn't "hostilities".

 

[AndyD]

If we go to shit I want my debt wiped clean

It will be lessened due to inflation. Or at least that's what GAF told me.

 

[aceface]

It will be lessened due to inflation. Or at least that's what GAF told me.

I have debt and no savings, I'm making out like gangbusters!

 

[eznark]

Yeah, but their secretaries make a note that you bothered to visit. Basically, whatever's hardest impresses them the most. I was escorted out of the building once, though, when I lost my temper. No hoosegow. I've managed to keep a clean police record since age fifteen.

Fair point.

I think it might be fun to go cull some quotes from Dems facing anger at home during town hall meetings.

Of course. Just like how the US bombing Libya isn't "hostilities".

Who cares, we were done with Libya in a matter of days....in a manner of speaking

 

[gcubed]

I'm not going to bore you with the details, but Obama was a professor of constitutional law. If he does it, clearly it has to be constitutional.

+1, no time wasted on pushing the new meme

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

Of course. Just like how the US bombing Libya isn't "hostilities".

Whatever it is, it's legal, which is all that matters.

 

[jamesinclair]

People, seriously. Watch at 3:19 onward

Boner Response

Does that not sound like he is going to place Reid-McConnell up for a vote in the House?

Nope, he says the Reid one is "filled with gimmicks" and hes going to pass some other deal.

 

[Wilsongt]

People, seriously. Watch at 3:19 onward

Boner Response

Does that not sound like he is going to place Reid-McConnell up for a vote in the House?

Awfully biased youtube channel you linked. Gotta love the cross dangling in front of the TV while Obama was speaking in the video response.

 

[eznark]

Whatever it is, it's legal, which is all that matters.

Truly, more frightening words have never been spoken.

 

[elrechazado]

Whatever it is, it's legal, which is all that matters.

Eric Holder disagrees. But he's a republican hack, and not the attorney general or anything.

 

[planar1280]

the most important part after speeches. What were the exit polls?! that will tell us which party will be initially blamed for debt crisis

 

[Anno]

Why do people insist on interviewing Grover Norquist? There's literally nothing to be learned from having the man on TV. I'd rather they interview almost anybody else.

 

[happyfunball]

Nope, he says the Reid one is "filled with gimmicks" and hes going to pass some other deal.

Yes, the Reid ONLY plan he trashes, and then in the next breath says that he will pass the bipartisan Senate bill with only 1T in cuts, the Reid-McConnell plan.

 

[Gaborn]

I'm not going to bore you with the details, but Obama was a professor of constitutional law. If he does it, clearly it has to be constitutional.

He's a constitutional law professor that is on record saying he didn't know the difference between a marriage and a civil union. He also thinks the FISA bill was constitutional.

 

[happyfunball]

Awfully biased youtube channel you linked. Gotta love the cross dangling in front of the TV while Obama was speaking in the video response.

Yea, awful quality video and people commenting, but it was the only video available.

 

[eznark]

Why do people insist on interviewing Grover Norquist? There's literally nothing to be learned from having the man on TV. I'd rather they interview almost anybody else.

You could change the channel and I bet your wish would be granted.

He's a constitutional law professor that is on record saying he didn't know the difference between a marriage and a civil union.

pish posh, details details

 

[reilo]

He's a constitutional law professor that is on record saying he didn't know the difference between a marriage and a civil union. He also thinks the FISA bill was constitutional.

What's the difference from a legal perspective?

 

[segarr]

More frightening is the comments on that page. My god.

And it's always like that. Right-wingers dominate the news sites' comments section. I don't even bother to look at their hate-filled posts anymore.

Of course, the editors see this and must think "we should lean more right. It's what the people want" These are tactics right-wing think tanks like the Heritage Foundation come up with.

 

[jamesinclair]

Yes, the Reid ONLY plan he trashes, and then in the next breath says that he will pass the bipartisan Senate bill with only 1T in cuts, the Reid-McConnell plan.

I still dont think so.

Theyve started cutting Iraq/Afghanistan savings being included as a gimmick. And every plan has that, even the GOP one!



Also, anyone else surprised that it was Boner that came out as "the angry black man"?

Guy sounded like a full on thug, while Obama was fair, composed and approachable.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

He's a constitutional law professor that is on record saying he didn't know the difference between a marriage and a civil union. He also thinks the FISA bill was constitutional.

I heard he also thinks there are 57 states.

 

[mckmas8808]

then we'll see whether rating agencies will actually follow through with their threats to downgrade our credit if the ceiling is raised without a cogent debt-reduction plan.

Well...................




UNBELIEVABLE: S&P Favors Reid Plan, Boehner Plan May Result In Losing AAA Status
Joe Weisenthal | Jul. 25, 2011, 8:45 PM

Gamechanger?
According to CNN's Erin Burnett, sources familiar with S&P's thinking indicate that the Boehner plan -- which attempts to raise the debt ceiling and make cuts in two separate steps -- probably wouldn't be enough to avert a downgrade from AAA.
On the other hand, the Reid plan, which does it all once, would be looked on more favorably by the ratings agency.

Two quick thoughts on this development:
This makes the ratings agency look especially political, as it previously demanded $4 trillion in spending cuts -- exactly what Obama wanted -- as a precondition to preserving the AAA rating.

The AAA rating might be overrated, but up until now it's been respected by politicians on both sides of the aisle being something worth preserving. That a two-step process wouldn't preserve the rating is a huge strike against it.
All this being said, neither Reid nor Boehner is likely to pass in its current form (as Obama will say tonight) something that can pass both houses will need the all-at-onceness of Reid, with cuts that favor Boehner.
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So yeah about that credit rating stuff GOP. At this point should we even wonder if they even care about all this stuff?

 

[Gaborn]

What's the difference from a legal perspective?

One is created as a classification for it's own sake. That's a crucial legal distinction ESPECIALLY for a constitutional lawyer which often involves civil rights cases. It's pretty much the same reason that separate drinking fountains were created for blacks and whites - to stigmatize.

When a legal classification is created it may have a legitimate social purpose, such as separate bathrooms for men and women, which, practically considering our different "plumbing" has a rational basis. Creating a wholly new category to signify the pair bonding of two men or two women when our historically accepted word for legal pair bonding is marriage has no rational basis except stigmatization. In other words, classification for it's own sake.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Whatever it is, it's legal, which is all that matters.

War Powers Resolution says no.

 

[reilo]

One is created as a classification for it's own sake. That's a crucial legal distinction ESPECIALLY for a constitutional lawyer which often involves civil rights cases. It's pretty much the same reason that separate drinking fountains were created for blacks and whites - to stigmatize.

When a legal classification is created it may have a legitimate social purpose, such as separate bathrooms for men and women, which, practically considering our different "plumbing" has a rational basis. Creating a wholly new category to signify the pair bonding of two men or two women when our historically accepted word for legal pair bonding is marriage has no rational basis except stigmatization. In other words, classification for it's own sake.

So the difference is nomenclature with no rights being legally different. Gotcha.

 

[polyh3dron]

In before the GOP demonizes S&P for being liberal or funded by George Soros or something

 

[Measley]

Why do people insist on interviewing Grover Norquist? There's literally nothing to be learned from having the man on TV. I'd rather they interview almost anybody else.

There should be no scenario where taxes can never be raised. ESPECIALLY when the economy is in crisis. The very idea is insane.

 

[Gaborn]

So the difference is nomenclature with no rights being legally different. Gotcha.

It's not nomenclature, it's a real, practical difference. When the law separates and stigmatizes a class of people and puts them in a separate category that is a crucial, crucial difference.

 

[eznark]

In before the GOP demonizes S&P for being liberal or funded by George Soros or something

Why go that far for a rumor from an ambiguous person "familiar with S&P's thinking." I'm familiar with S&P's thinking....maybe I'm the source!

 

[airmangataosenai]

Just called that dipshit Nugent.

 

[Pyrrhus]

We are fucked.

 

[elrechazado]

Well...................



According to CNN's Erin Burnett, sources familiar with S&P's thinking indicate that the Boehner plan -- which attempts to raise the debt ceiling and make cuts in two separate steps -- probably wouldn't be enough to avert a downgrade from AAA.
On the other hand, the Reid plan, which does it all once, would be looked on more favorably by the ratings agency[/B].

Two quick thoughts on this development:
This makes the ratings agency look especially political, as it previously demanded $4 trillion in spending cuts -- exactly what Obama wanted -- as a precondition to preserving the AAA rating.

The AAA rating might be overrated, but up until now it's been respected by politicians on both sides of the aisle being something worth preserving. That a two-step process wouldn't preserve the rating is a huge strike against it.
All this being said, neither Reid nor Boehner is likely to pass in its current form (as Obama will say tonight) something that can pass both houses will need the all-at-onceness of Reid, with cuts that favor Boehner.
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So yeah about that credit rating stuff GOP. At this point should we even wonder if they even care about all this stuff?

So someone who thinks they know what S&P thinks has an opinion on which one is more favorable?

Great article there.

edit: nm - eznark is the source, so I trust it.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Damn! I miss the speech. Anyone got a link?

 

[reilo]

It's not nomenclature, it's a real, practical difference. When the law separates and stigmatizes a class of people and puts them in a separate category that is a crucial, crucial difference.

The difference is not practical. In practice, there is no difference. In written word on categorization, there is, but in execution and legally binding terms there is no difference.

You know I'm on the pro-gay activism side, but to argue that Obama is not versed in constitutional law because he does not believe there is a difference between a civil union and marriage is a reach of Mr Fantastic proportions.

 

[Rubenov]

The difference is not practical. In practice, there is no difference. In written word on categorization, there is, but in execution and legally binding terms there is no difference.

You know I'm on the pro-gay activism side, but to argue that Obama is not versed in constitutional law because he does not believe there is a difference between a civil union and marriage is a reach of Mr Fantastic proportions.

But Gaborn is Mr. Fantastic.