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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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RustyNails
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Ron Paul is the candidate GOP deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
The country would be in a much better shape if the Republican party came to its intellectual senses. Unfortunately, the things that I would want from a "center-right party" - making social programs more efficient, picking the correct fights against nonsense regulations and taxes, attempting to find market solutions wherever they exist - are mostly things that are espoused by Obama. I should express happiness that many of my preferred ideas are embodied by the president, but it also means that the only counterweight to those policies are espoused by children who inhabit a bizarre sector of extremistan. It would be nice if the Republicans actually returned to many of their own sensible policy solutions that they once believed in, such as the individual mandate and cap and trade, and Democrats fought for more labor-oriented solutions.DEO3 said:
Ron Paul occasionally sounds like he is off his meds but I still like the guy. I like how he stuck it in Santorum's face about being a war propagandist.
Romney is lame and a flip flopper but he looks good and avoids getting into big fights so I guess he won.
Newt Gingrich won in terms of having the best answers and actually making it seem like he knows something and has done stuff.
Pawlenty is akward when he tries to be charismatic or charming, he is a bit of a dork. He held up a lot better against Bachmann then I thought he would.
Bachmann really doesn't have much accomplishments but she is a very sincere conservative where as some of these dudes are fakers. She was also very calm and composed so she was able to deflect Pawlenty's attacks. The base loves her.
Santorum kind of sucks. I see how he could have been good but goes nuts into polygamy and sterilizations, he doesn't even know where he is. Paul owned him and he seemed bitter.
Herman Cain has some charisma but people just aren't seeing him as presidential material, what to do? I guess just being a businessman isn't enough, not even for conservatives.
edit: I forget about Huntsmann, which I guess is really all I need to say.
Overall it was a fun debate when they attacked each other but this really is the C and D tier of the Republican Party, Romney is a plastic candidate but as long as he avoids the fire he wont melt.
Romney is lame and a flip flopper but he looks good and avoids getting into big fights so I guess he won.
Newt Gingrich won in terms of having the best answers and actually making it seem like he knows something and has done stuff.
Pawlenty is akward when he tries to be charismatic or charming, he is a bit of a dork. He held up a lot better against Bachmann then I thought he would.
Bachmann really doesn't have much accomplishments but she is a very sincere conservative where as some of these dudes are fakers. She was also very calm and composed so she was able to deflect Pawlenty's attacks. The base loves her.
Santorum kind of sucks. I see how he could have been good but goes nuts into polygamy and sterilizations, he doesn't even know where he is. Paul owned him and he seemed bitter.
Herman Cain has some charisma but people just aren't seeing him as presidential material, what to do? I guess just being a businessman isn't enough, not even for conservatives.
edit: I forget about Huntsmann, which I guess is really all I need to say.
Overall it was a fun debate when they attacked each other but this really is the C and D tier of the Republican Party, Romney is a plastic candidate but as long as he avoids the fire he wont melt.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Republicans love stupid candidates. They like to think that they'll install a GOP selected cabinet which will then run the nation while the president lurches about in a haze of stupid for 4-8 years.Gonaria said:
Arrowgigantic
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LOLVenomgxt said:
TacticalFox88
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.....hahahahahahaVenomgxt said:
speculawyer
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That sounds very familiar.Freshmaker said:
TacticalFox88
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No. GAF loved Obama before he was elected. Now he's simply the more sane option, less the entire country goes right to hell with a Republican president.Venomgxt said:
TacticalFox88 said:
I think he's sort of right. Paul is more honest than most political candidates, and he has some (and I stress the word "some") great ideas. And he's pretty decent at debating. He could beat most politicians in a "debate" by my standards of being honest and passionate and articulate. It's just a shame about all the other insane bullshit he believes, though.
I didn't love him before he was elected, although I did think he was going to win. But when he's running against John McCain, who else is a rational person going to vote for? I didn't find him so odious that I felt compelled to throw away my vote on a Socialist candidate, unlike certain other Democratic nominees, but I figured at best he was Clinton 2.0.TacticalFox88 said:
Re: Paul vs. Obama.
It depends what you mean by "beat him in a debate." if it's a contest of who can more bluntly tell the truth, Obama doesn't stand a chance. If it's a contest of who comes out at the end not looking like a person no one wants to elect, Paul doesn't stand a chance. There's a reason Paul keeps failing spectacularly at running for President, and it's not because the media is mean to him. It's because his political ideology is way outside of the mainstream.
TacticalFox88
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Common sense? The fuck? Failed ideas that have no basis in reality are "common sense"Venomgxt said:
LOL, ok.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Quite interesting this coming from the Official Obama Facebook account.
https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10150262710721749
This is linked in the post: http://www.barackobama.com/GOPDebateWatch
This combined with the recent stories like this:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...isan-brinksmanship-for-stalling-congress.html
Perhaps, just maybe, there is some small chance that republicans bringing the country to the point that the S&P would downgrade finally woke him up?
https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10150262710721749
This is linked in the post: http://www.barackobama.com/GOPDebateWatch
This combined with the recent stories like this:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...isan-brinksmanship-for-stalling-congress.html
Perhaps, just maybe, there is some small chance that republicans bringing the country to the point that the S&P would downgrade finally woke him up?
oh, trust me, Obama will have his teleprompter primed and ready to go in any debate versus Paul.Venomgxt said:
as his facebook profile pic shows, they're already in campaign mode.Suikoguy said:
fake edit: team Obama have some snazy web developers and designers.
polyh3dron
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No one was really debating with Ron Paul in this "debate" and considering his poll numbers saw no benefit in truly engaging with him other than that hilariously disingenuous polygamy bit (at least from what I saw, I fell asleep a while after that). His whole libertarian belief system has holes you could drive a Mack Truck through and anyone who tries engaging in a real debate with him who has even a bit of sense can make him look pretty bad. Someone like Obama could really expose him for the fringe lunatic he is.Venomgxt said:
Ron Paul can make himself sound like he's a common sense guy on the surface when discussing certain specific subjects, it's not until you really put his entire philosophy under a bit more scrutiny that you realize he really is a wacko.
Freshmaker
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He lost a debate to an Obama impersonator who seems to think Obama sounds like he's gargling Kermit the frog.Snaku said:
RustyNails
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"common sense" is such a load of crap that has been thrown around by uneducated mountainpeople who like to cling to it when going against smarmy educated elitist commie liberal scum. Please don't use those words. We don't need no stinkin multivariable economic calculus! we need common sense! Ron Paul's ideas are far removed from the spectrum of "sense". His stances on social issues (and creationism) in particular are zany.Venomgxt said:
polyh3dron
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It was awesome for the "Deer In The Headlights" moment. I liked Brett Bair (sp) for just a moment there.ToxicAdam said:
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I am Korean.
I bet there's a reason for that.speculawyer said:
polyh3dron
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Yeah when Sarah Palin started throwing that phrase around like it was going out of style (it was "common sense conservative" that she kept saying actually) it really bothered me.RustyNails said:
polyh3dron
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Not that bad lol, but pretty close. It did make me laugh about her being submissive to her fabulously gay husband though.besada said:
Synth_floyd
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The "submissive" question for Bachmann was stupid. It wasn't relevant to anything and now she can play the sexism card that people are attacking her because she's a woman. If you're going to question her on her dumb statements at least pick something decent.
RustyNails
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Take solace in the fact that her husband appears to be far from commanding. At least, it seems to me anyway. In fact, I'd bet that it's Michelle Bachmann who's the dominatrix in the relationship, and her husband plays the submissive partner...ToxicAdam said:
now you have a mental image of Marcus Bachmann in a ball gag
Suikoguy said:
Seems silly, since almost every religious woman over the age of 50 had it written in their wedding vows to 'honor and obey' their husband.
besada said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF9gSyku-fc
I forgot about that one. I guess it's kind of pointless to get upset about idiotic questions. These candidates are prompted ahead of time, so it's not really a broadside to them.
PhoenixDark
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Perry probably watched that debate and fell out his seat laughing. This will be a two man race on Saturday.
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