Invisible_Insane
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My point is that saying there's a link between climate change and earthquakes is not abjectly preposterous.eznark said:
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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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speculawyer
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RustyNails said:
You can always find the crazy in the comment sections. Try here:
http://news.yahoo.com/quake-rocks-washington-area-felt-east-coast-181550612.html
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speculawyer said:
I hope everyone is okay because I laughed at that comment and I don't want to feel bad
Byakuya769
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aronnov reborn said:
Just reposting due to my curiosity concerning whether or not you'll follow this up with any biblical examples.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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speculawyer said:
In fairness the left has a healthy supply of crazy in the comment sections.
Anyway I think we should all acknowledge that going on in Libya right now is one of the few acts of wealth redistribution that all Americans can get behind. Rep, Dem...well besides that little shit troll from Oho...we can all enjoy this!
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So Dominique Strauss-Khan got his charges dropped, and the appeal was denied by another judge. Wonder if this shit is gonna fuel the fire some of the crazy people had that certain people are just out to try and get SK by any means necessary.
empty vessel
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Don't be too sure. I'm skeptical that we haven't just created a Western puppet state. The pictures circling around don't make me smile. They make me nervous for Libyans who want democracy.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/why-regime-change-libya
aronnov reborn said:
I try not get involved in these sorts of debates, but this metaphor was so poorly chosen I had to speak up. John 21, Verse 12:
Jesus said to them, Come and take some food. And all the disciples were in fear of putting the question, Who are you? being conscious that it was the Lord. 13 Then Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the fish in the same way.
Jesus literally gave people fish. He did not teach them how to fish; he made their nets miraculously full of fish and then handed them out (along with bread).
I'm not quite sure why Jesus helped these men; they were obviously bad fishermen (as evidenced by their inability to catch any fish before Jesus showed up -- John 21, Verse 3). Jesus should have left the free market alone and allowed these terribly unsuccessful fishermen to fail/starve.
Edit: I see empty vessel already made the same basic point; I'll leave my post because it explicitly quotes the verse in question.
speculawyer
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Black Agenda report? Wow. Really?empty vessel said:
What sad racist name. Imagine if it were "The White Agenda Report".
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Diablos said:
On the plus side, businesses will no longer be plagued by uncertainty
RustyNails
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I...I'm scared to click. I feel like a hobbit who's about to walk into Mordorspeculawyer said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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speculawyer said:
Oh many talk about all the stuff from the loony left on that site.
Check this one out
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/black-libya-city-said-fall-rebel-siege
Man what a nut.
empty vessel
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speculawyer said:
Or the NAACP.
Seriously?
RustyNails
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What a bullshit website. I can't believe you visit such tripe. A few golden nuggets:empty vessel said:
Full of unfounded tripe and utter nonsense.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I think you might be being to generous.RustyNails said:
empty vessel
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
About the author of that piece:
Glen Ford is a veteran of more than 40 years in broadcast, print and Internet journalism. A former Washington Bureau Chief and White House, Capitol Hill, and State Department correspondent, Ford co-founded and hosted Americas Black Forum, the first nationally syndicated Black news interview program on commercial television. He also launched and owned the radio syndications Black World Report, Black Agenda Reports, and Rap It Up, the first national hip hop music show. He has worked as a radio newsman in Washington, Baltimore, and Atlanta, Columbus and Augusta, Georgia, and produced over 1,000 radio and TV commercials.
In print, Glen Ford has edited or served as staff reporter for three newspapers, two of them dailies; was national political columnist for Encore American & Worldwide News magazine; founded The Black Commentator and Africana Policies magazines; and authored The Big Lie: An Analysis of U.S. Media Coverage of the Grenada Invasion (IOJ, 1985).
On the Internet, Ford co-founded BlackCommentator.com in 2002 and BlackAgendaReport.com (BAR) in 2006. He is currently executive editor of BAR, a weekly magazine of news, commentary and analysis from the Black left. Along with co-host Nellie Hester Bailey, Ford hosts and produces the weekly, one-hour Black Agenda Radio program on the Progressive Radio network. He also produces two weekly radio commentaries that air on approximately 40 radio stations.
In print, Glen Ford has edited or served as staff reporter for three newspapers, two of them dailies; was national political columnist for Encore American & Worldwide News magazine; founded The Black Commentator and Africana Policies magazines; and authored The Big Lie: An Analysis of U.S. Media Coverage of the Grenada Invasion (IOJ, 1985).
On the Internet, Ford co-founded BlackCommentator.com in 2002 and BlackAgendaReport.com (BAR) in 2006. He is currently executive editor of BAR, a weekly magazine of news, commentary and analysis from the Black left. Along with co-host Nellie Hester Bailey, Ford hosts and produces the weekly, one-hour Black Agenda Radio program on the Progressive Radio network. He also produces two weekly radio commentaries that air on approximately 40 radio stations.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/about-us
What a nut!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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empty vessel said:
He is!
Horrible numbers for Obama today on Gallup. But despite that, PPP still shows him beating the probable (their words) GOP nominee.
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/
Dude... none of that speaks to his fringeness or lack thereof. I note it's very vague about what newspapers, broadcast shows, and radio stations he worked for. But even so, anybody can be a nut; it doesn't really matter what their career looked like. Let's try an example.empty vessel said:
Our man started out as a professional footballer who played for Coventry and Hereford United before retiring due to arthritis.
After his retirement, he moved into reporting, where he worked in print, tv, and radio for several decades, including a decade-long stint with the BBC.
He went into politics, becoming an important figure in his party, so much so that some referred to him as his party's Tony Blair.
He's now a prolific and well-known author and speaker, who has written on subjects from politics to television to the environment, and has lectured in dozens of countries.
Sounds pretty good, right?
http://i.imgur.com/mJoHE.jpg
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Cyan said:
Bravo, did not expect him to be referenced here.
speculawyer
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The NAACP was formed in 1909. It is 2011. Things are a little different now.empty vessel said:
Calling a modern internet blog the "Black Agenda Report" is needlessly provocative and counter-productive.
empty vessel
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
But, you're you.
Of course. And a bunch of white people dismissing somebody as a nut because he is black is not very persuasive either. Nobody has yet to say a thing of substance.
speculawyer said:
So I take it you protest BET too? Black history month?
Damn, implicit biases all over the place up in here. Some of you should be embarrassed.
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Why we got Black History Month and no White History Month? PC nonsense.
speculawyer
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Yeah this is just some stupidity.
Now I don't doubt that some of that happened. But the reason the rebels were going after them was not because they were black but because they are imported mercenaries that Quadaffi hired to protect himself against his own people. Mr.BlackAgenda is ginning it up into some "kill the black man" race war. It was a civil war between a dictator and rebels that wanted to overthrow the dictator.
Does he really think Obama supports killing black people just because they are black? Really?
Quadaffi spread a lot of money around other poorer African countries (which was nice of him) and it help him get support. I was hoping one of those countries would give him exile. Perhaps they did but he didn't take it.
In what way? Are you suggesting that black people might not have an agenda that differs from that of non-black people? Because that's ridiculous, and ignores any number of black centered political groups, including the Democratic Black Caucus.speculawyer said:
Or are you one of those guys who thinks racism is dead and there's no need for minority specific groups? You've already rolled out the false equivalence of suggesting how horrified people would be over a White Agenda Report (we call that the WSJ, by the way) so one has to wonder.
empty vessel
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speculawyer said:
I have a strong suspicion the problem lies in your reading comprehension and summarizing skills rather than his words.[/QUOTE]
speculawyer
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No because those fucking stupid comparisons. I have no problem with black entertainment or black history.empty vessel said:
What I do have a problem with is 'black agenda' since it is needlessly provocative and implies a desire to only help black people (with a possible detriment to others). You hear nonstop about the "gay agenda" from conservatives and they are using it in a pejorative manner if you have not noticed. A major gay rights fund understands PR better and call themselves the Human Rights Campaign.
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Averon said:
It's just going to get worse for Obama.
Whatever they are doing to for the jobs plan can't come soon enough. Right now all people are seeing is economy in the shit and Obama not doing anything about it.
Obama needs to pick a fight even if Republicans will block all his proposals.
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cartoon_soldier said:
Why wasn't he doing that back in 09, or most of 2010. This situation can largely be blamed on him for not focusing on the economy.
speculawyer
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besada said:
I'm suggesting that that is exactly what the name of his group implies! Why not "The anti-racism agenda"?
Why give your critics such ammunition? I have no problem with minority groups supporting their interests. I just find it cringeworthy and counter productive when it is done in such clumsy poor manner.
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PhoenixDark said:
1. He still felt that Republicans would compromise
2. HCR was important and people don't realize that passing HCR was needed for US's long term future. No doubt it should have been done in 1/4th the time it actually took them. Same reason here though, he believed that his Election Victory was clear indication that US supported HCR and though some Republicans could be made ot back their own Ideas.
3. Their economic team and a lot of other people for that matter underestimated the recession. The hope then was that by the time the Stimulus effect is going down, economy would have picked up at a rate far higher than it has.
The beginning of 2010 had encouraging signs, then everybody got tied into Midterm Elections and then nothing has been able to be got done by this Congress because to even do the simple thing we have to deal with crazy republicans.
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speculawyer said:
Maybe he's not all that concerned about offending white people.
speculawyer said:
Black agenda doesn't inherently suggest a desire to help black people at the expense of others. It suggests that their focus is about helping black people. That's all. You can attempt to turn it into a pejorative, like conservatives have attempted to turn the "gay agenda" into a pejorative, but as far as I can tell, that places you on the same footing as them.
Politics is largely about white people, because white people still make up the majority of voters. There is absolutely a need for minority groups, including the Democratic Black Caucus, the NAACP, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, the National Council of La Raza, Queer Nation, and even the National Organization of Women, etc.
Frankly, the guy sounds like he's off base to me, but rather than attack that, you attacked the need for minority political groups.
Because groups don't decide on their names to placate people who are going to hate what they have to say anyway. Cringe all you want. It's easy to do that when the entire system is designed to placate you.
As for why not the "anti-racism agenda" one presumes they're involved with issues that disproportionately effect black people, above and beyond racism. That includes urban crime, poverty, urban education, etc. In the same way that NCLR is concerned about racism, immigration, poverty, etc. And NOW is concerned about sexism, fair pay, abortion rights, etc.
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speculawyer said:
Seems like a back peddle. You originally called it a racist name. Now you're just concerned with how its critics will view it?
RustyNails
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People are dismissing the claims of a crackpot not because he's a crackpot, but because he's black? His shit is no different than any other conspiracy nutcase out there. Obama's propping up lynch mobs to destroys blacks in Libya? For fuck's sake. Because he wrote a couple of books and did a stint in press doesn't mean he's a mountain of knowledge and a beacon of truth. You're gonna be so disappointed when you find out about teabaggers and right wing zealots with PhDs.empty vessel said:
empty vessel
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RustyNails said:
If you can't even be bothered to accurately restate a position, why would I value your assessment of anybody? The piece to which Manos linked contains no assertions about Obama's specific intent (other than an implication of ignorance or indifference). It does contain assertions about the effects of actions.
One big reason Obama's doing pretty well in these match ups is the Hispanic vote. Exit polls in 2008 showed him winning it by a 36 point margin over McCain but he builds on that in all of these match ups with a 37 point advantage over Romney at 66-29, a 46 point one over Perry at 72-26, a 48 point edge over Bachmann at 74-26, a 49 point lead on Palin at 74-25, and a 53 point spread on Herman Cain at 75-22. This is a good example of what Republican strategist Mike Murphy has described as the economics vs. demographics tension for next year's election. The economy could sink Obama but at the same time an ever growing expanding Hispanic vote that he wins by a huge margin could be enough to let him eek out a second term. It's certainly propping him up on this poll.
Even in worse case scenarios, Obama will win due to the hispanic vote (blacks turning out also helps of course)
Even in worse case scenarios, Obama will win due to the hispanic vote (blacks turning out also helps of course)
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