RustyNails said:
I didn't invent any conspiracy theory. Check out the articles there. Global class warfare, africanophobia, race wars and tinpot nonsense in all the Libyan articles. Here's another pearl of wisdom from Glen Ford
Pogroms being carried out against blacks in Libya. Then we have the likes of total nutbags like Cynthia McKinney (a 9/11 truther) also writing there:
and
40 years of rule from green book has resulted in such amazing freedoms, as if. These people are incredibly under-qualified to write about world politics and international law. They're a bunch of conspiracy loons who've found an outlet to express themselves. Gaddafi had cozy relations with African countries, Black Panthers and Nation of Islam. He gave out millions to them. Of course, they see this in the context of race wars:
First, the least you could have done was linked to the articles from which you extracted statements. I'll provide them:
Ford:
Race and Arab Nationalism in Libya
McKinney:
Why Obama Attacked Libya
Second, I don't see anything unreasonable about the Ford quote.
Third, if you want to know what somebody thinks,
read what they say, not what right-wingers tell you they say. McKinney has sought investigations to learn whether the Bush Administration's negligence or incompetence contributed to the event, not whether Bush orchestrated 9/11 or whether a missile hit the Pentagon.
Fourth, that 40 years of rule from the green book has resulted in amazing freedoms is no more fanciful than that Western capitalist countries use their military power to topple foreign governments with a history of independence from the Western economic order; set up independent democracies in those countries; and then peacefully leave the residents to enjoy their new-found liberty. Whatever you want to think about McKinney (and I don't care what you think about her), that the invasion of Libya by the West is not necessarily a good thing for Libyans (or Americans) is hardly an unreasonable opinion to hold.
Nor is it unreasonable to point out that the Lybian rebels
do not have the best track record. You claim that BAR writers are unqualified to talk about Libya. That may well be so, but the truth of the matter is that, for all you think you know about Libya based on what you've read, you also don't know shit.
Nor does anybody else. That's because the people from whom you and anybody else are getting information also don't know shit. One thing we do know (from history) is that the reality of what is happening is unlikely to be anything like it has been presented by Western media, officials, and elites. This is what makes your cheerleading potentially dangerous. It is based on a complete lack of reliable information. You think you are rooting for something, but have no real basis for understanding what exactly it is you are rooting for.
So, going back to my original point. I am skeptical that we have aided the formation of an independent democracy and not merely established a Western client state in Libya where there used to be a government that was independent of that order. The West lost Egypt (although that struggle is still ongoing) and gained Libya. Time will tell, and I'll meet you here in 20 or 30 years to compare prescience.
