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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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I would "capitulate." But I doubt a president ever would.gcubed said:
First, that is an excellent post. I respect that. And while I disagree and could offer a rebuttal, that is irrelevant to my point. President Obama is operating under the presumption that our intervention does not constitute hostilities; therefore, he is not obligated to seek authorization. It is that rationale that I find exceedingly disagreeable. If he were to proffer your rationale instead, I would find it slightly more convincing-although not entirely.GaimeGuy said:
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U.S. recognizes Muslim Brotherhood
By TIM MAK | 6/30/11 6:22 AM EDT
The U.S. has decided to formally resume contact with Egypts Muslim Brotherhood group - which does not recognize Israel in a move that could further alienate some Jewish voters already skeptical of President Barack Obama, it was reported. One senior U.S. official said the Brotherhoods rise in political prominence after the forced departure of former President Hosni Mubarak earlier this year makes the American contact necessary.
The political landscape in Egypt has changed, and is changing It is in our interests to engage with all of the parties that are competing for parliament or the presidency, said the official, who confirmed the news to Reuters on condition of anonymity.
The Muslim Brotherhood - founded in 1928 to promote a conservative version of Islam in politics, culture and society has previously had some communication with the U.S. through Brotherhood Members of Parliament who had been technically elected as independents. U.S. diplomats had been instructed only to deal with Brotherhood members in their role as Members of Parliament.
The decision to resume contact with the Muslim Brotherhood group may worry members of the Jewish community and Israeli officials, Reuters reported. POLITICOs Ben Smith wrote yesterday about the increasing anxiety of center-left Jewish Democrats who are losing faith in Obama, most recently because of the speech in which he called for the countrys 1967 borders to be the basis for peace talks, with land swaps.
Muslim Brotherhood spokesman Mohamed Saad el-Katatni told Reuters that no American contact with the group has yet been made, but he added: We welcome such relationships with everyone because those relations will lead to clarifying our vision. In recent years, the Muslim Brotherhood has asserted that it renounces violence. The group is not considered a foreign terrorist organization by the United States but organizations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, like Hamas, have not renounced violence against Israel.
Egypt will hold parliamentary elections in September, and the countrys military government has promised an election for president by the end of this year.
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Good move? I think so. You can't ask for regime change and then pick who you do and don't want to work with when different people are elected through the Democratic process.
By TIM MAK | 6/30/11 6:22 AM EDT
The U.S. has decided to formally resume contact with Egypts Muslim Brotherhood group - which does not recognize Israel in a move that could further alienate some Jewish voters already skeptical of President Barack Obama, it was reported. One senior U.S. official said the Brotherhoods rise in political prominence after the forced departure of former President Hosni Mubarak earlier this year makes the American contact necessary.
The political landscape in Egypt has changed, and is changing It is in our interests to engage with all of the parties that are competing for parliament or the presidency, said the official, who confirmed the news to Reuters on condition of anonymity.
The Muslim Brotherhood - founded in 1928 to promote a conservative version of Islam in politics, culture and society has previously had some communication with the U.S. through Brotherhood Members of Parliament who had been technically elected as independents. U.S. diplomats had been instructed only to deal with Brotherhood members in their role as Members of Parliament.
The decision to resume contact with the Muslim Brotherhood group may worry members of the Jewish community and Israeli officials, Reuters reported. POLITICOs Ben Smith wrote yesterday about the increasing anxiety of center-left Jewish Democrats who are losing faith in Obama, most recently because of the speech in which he called for the countrys 1967 borders to be the basis for peace talks, with land swaps.
Muslim Brotherhood spokesman Mohamed Saad el-Katatni told Reuters that no American contact with the group has yet been made, but he added: We welcome such relationships with everyone because those relations will lead to clarifying our vision. In recent years, the Muslim Brotherhood has asserted that it renounces violence. The group is not considered a foreign terrorist organization by the United States but organizations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, like Hamas, have not renounced violence against Israel.
Egypt will hold parliamentary elections in September, and the countrys military government has promised an election for president by the end of this year.
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Good move? I think so. You can't ask for regime change and then pick who you do and don't want to work with when different people are elected through the Democratic process.
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mckmas8808 said:
Payback for Bibi clowning Obama last month?
PhoenixDark
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Just what we need, more "Jews to abandon Obama in 2012?!?!?!" stories. The answer is the same as it's been since 08: no.
speculawyer
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Yes, a good move. They have long renounced violence and are a legit party. We certainly don't have to (nor do we) agree with them on everything but so what. And if they decide to take up terrorism then back on the shit-list they can go.mckmas8808 said:
Israel needs to stop whining and deal with the new reality. And they bragged about being the only democracy in that neighborhood . . . well, there is now another one. Congratulate them . . . don't bitch & moan about it. Israel has hardcore hard-right Jewish parties that are just as loopy as the Muslim Brotherhood, so who are they to complain? Your shit stinks too.
I'm sure there are examples, but that's not the point.Big Baybee said:
This is not a partisan argument, I'm not implying that left is just as bad or that Bush got a harsher treatment, all I'm saying is that it's not the responsibility of the citizenry, and most certainly not of the press, to "show respect for the office".
That's the only thing I'm saying.
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I don't care about people being harsh about any president. But calling someone a dick or pussy or asshole or fuckwit on national tv is crossing a line. He could have been critical of Obama using his intelligence. He chose wrong and he is paying for it. Olberman eviscerated Bush night in and night out. Never called him a dick on the air.Chichikov said:
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IDK if I would call Israel a "democracy" per se. Much like I would call the US one either.speculawyer said:
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PhoenixDark said:
But they are already in the government. Why would we not talk to them? Don't you think saying no just to get some jewish votes is being too political?
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TacticalFox88 said:
The US isn't a democracy? WAT?
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Cyan said:
Oh darn you're right. My bad PD.
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Jackson50 said:
Frankly, that sounds ominous, and my knee jerk reaction to anything done in the name of aiding somebody else's democracy is to run the other way.
The recognition of the MB is realpolitik. The MB now has some power in Egypt, and the US has to work with them. Of course, it isn't going to work with them to enhance Egyptian democracy, but to undermine it, because the US wants Egypt to do what the US wants, not what Egyptians want. And, for purposes of foreign policy, what the "US" wants is whatever its business and financial elite want. Democrats have never been any better than Republicans when it comes to foreign policy in this regard. (The one exception may be that I'm not sure that Gore would have invaded Iraq, although there would have been tremendous pressure on him to do so and it was a Democrat who maintained the low grade war against Iraq during the 90's (which was always intended to keep it weakened for future invasion and conquering).
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mckmas8808 said:
The US is a constitutional republic.
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eznark said:
How many times are you going to respond to my post as if you haven't responded to it before?
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eznark said:
30. You?
eznark said:
Booing and hissing is disrespectful, I agree... but you know what is even worse? Yelling from the audience and interrupting the President's speech.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
The news media? When, where?
How about any instances of calling him names live on the air?
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eznark said:
I actually try to avoid pundits.
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eznark said:
I just watched the Halperin video, it actually wasn't that bad. He was sort of egged on.
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I agree. I don't think it was said with malice. He just thought the guy was being a bit of a dick. Which he was. It's really no big deal- other than possibly showing a slight break in Obama's lusty relationship with 99.43% of all media.quadriplegicjon said:
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I heard Obama's feelings were hurt and he spent all afternoon locked in the bathroom.
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Well look at this:
U.S. Reserve Oil May Be Stored by Traders
So they benefit from the speculation part of the pie being eaten away by the announcement that the US will tap its strategic reserve (which lowers oil prices), and then buy the oil and keep it for later days when prices will be higher.
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U.S. Reserve Oil May Be Stored by Traders
So they benefit from the speculation part of the pie being eaten away by the announcement that the US will tap its strategic reserve (which lowers oil prices), and then buy the oil and keep it for later days when prices will be higher.
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http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0611/line_to_msnbc_1ae75691-f7c1-4475-ae0d-cef07181e495.html
Nothing like a little Executive pressure on the free press! Chilling.
Nothing like a little Executive pressure on the free press! Chilling.
What a dick.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/30/white-house-overrides-2009-mem
States rights, remember when Obama cited them as key in his policy decisions lo that almost a week ago? Those were the days. Heady, hope-filled days of yore. Dashed a scant week later.
Legalalized pot shops...a TOP PRIORITY. Awesome.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/30/white-house-overrides-2009-mem
States rights, remember when Obama cited them as key in his policy decisions lo that almost a week ago? Those were the days. Heady, hope-filled days of yore. Dashed a scant week later.
Legalalized pot shops...a TOP PRIORITY. Awesome.
lo escondido
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speculawyer said:
Not really. Egypt had a great moment but they still need to actually hold elections and elected representatives. The military still runs the country and still are beating people up in Tahair. So all that as happened (so far) is a deposed leader and high rhetoric, they still need to come through with their promises which hasn't happened yet. So the bashing Israel and putting claiming Egypt is a real democracy is laughable.
On a side note about the claim ("only democracy") is that it can and I think should be pointed out that there is Turkey in the middle east (and also europe I guess) which is a true democracy (with their coups obviously a rough spot). So yes israel isn't the only democracy but egypt aint the other.
But I don't know if "recognizing" the brotherhood is good but working with them is. They are a powerful force and working with them and making sure they don't turn egypt into Iran is a good thing. I still think they are way too religious and really don't belong in any secular democracy has a political party if that is what they want.
eznark said:
I think not prosecuting them was a mistake. Federal law preempts state law when it comes to drugs (I think rightfully so) and federal law says its illegal. Just make medical legal on the federal level and there is none of these problems.
Do you have any ideas how many laws are not being enforced by federal officials?lo escondido said:
And this is now top priority for the DEA?
This is fucking bullshit, I can understand why it's politically difficult to legalize pot, but for fuck's sake, raiding dispensaries?
What can they even hope to gain of that?
Even politically it's not going to help anyone.
Obama's DOJ in an embarrassment, and he should get shit for that.
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Republicans.
Wow.
Background: In November, california voters voted that if the budget isnt passed on time, the legislators dont get paid until it is passed.
Republicans did everything they could to block a budget.
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Wow.
Background: In November, california voters voted that if the budget isnt passed on time, the legislators dont get paid until it is passed.
Republicans did everything they could to block a budget.
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Read more: http://fresnobeehive.com/news/#ixzz1Qopq4PfH
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wow, the republicans didn't try to expedite the process at alljamesinclair said:
worldrunover said:
Are you trying to say that Stewart wasn't trying to make an actual political point with that bit?
Chichikov said:
The first part of your sentence contradicts the second part.
Stewart was clearly providing a commentary on how raising the debt ceiling would lead to the end of the world (albeit in a different way) as would not raising the debt ceiling. Does anyone here agree with that? Does any real economist agree with that? And yet, here's Stewart trying to mock both sides, as if they're equally absurd.
Look, I like Jon Stewart 99% of the time, but periodically he pulls shit like this. It's just like when he held his rally to restore sanity, and was (rightfully) called out by the likes of Maher, Olbermann, and Maddow for pulling the retarded false equivalency card when he mentioned the Bush protestors opposite the tea baggers. What's worse about this is that he KNOWS about the dangers of false equivalency since he's done many bits on the subject, yet he himself engages in it just to assure the right wingers that it's okay, he's going after the left too.
Mind you, it's fine to attack dirty libruls as well, but for fuck's sake, use some appropriate criticism/material.
PantherLotus
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Hey guys -- I need to recruit my GLBT community to help me word this as inoffensively as possible, but I'll get to the point: has anybody heard Michele Bachman's husband's rant about gays and barbiarians?
No, I mean HEARD it! My gaydar is at level freaking 5, full-on sirens and glitterball flashing lights and fucking everything. THAT DUDE is hiding something.
No, I mean HEARD it! My gaydar is at level freaking 5, full-on sirens and glitterball flashing lights and fucking everything. THAT DUDE is hiding something.
I actually don't think that this is the point that he was making.Oblivion said:
I think those scenarios were suppose ridicule the way both parties talk about the other side.
You know - if the GOP wins it's a fascist market anarchy; if the dems wins it's communism.
I think his argument, ad absurdum, is that it's not that big of a deal.
And I sort of agree with him, to a degree.
I'm not gay but in my mind, any person that is offended by that is extremely over-sensitive.PantherLotus said:
I personally try not to worry too much about over-sensitive people, as they tend to get hurt anyway.
But like Barry, I'm kind of a dick.
Also, link?
PantherLotus said:
Hell yes! I heard that man's voice/tone/pattern and immediately thought, "Within five years, we'll see a sordid news story about him being busted on his knees with a mouth full of man-meat in the bushes behind a highway rest stop. Wait and see."
Yep.. my gaydar is pinging something awful with this guy.
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