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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
What is with Kosmo and false equivalencies? Holy shit

He's a right winger. This sort of shit is minimum requirement stuff.


Related question: Where are Kosmo's allies to aid him in such times? Is there no loyalty among the Bulbos, the BigSicilies, the Ripclawes of the world?
 
Why is the bankruptcy of the US not a bigger topic right now?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483230

And did Obama ever even talk about the Libor scandal?

I mean seriously, there is no coming out of this mess until the banksters are removed from power. Neither the Republicans or Democrats will do it, they play along with them. Not just in the US, it's the same shit everywhere.

Down the line, it doesn't matter who wins, the US is still fucked, because banksters runs the US.

You've raised a lot of different questions. To answer the very first one, the US government is not and cannot ever be bankrupt. Bankrupt of what? US dollars? It creates them. The LIBOR scandal is about how the system operates to benefit specific groups, not the solvency of the government. The only way to make the government insolvent is to dissolve the very fabric of the society. That can certainly be a concern, and it may be the objective of certain radicalized conservatives, but I don't think we're near the point of that coming to fruition. We've got huge problems, but the solvency of the US government isn't one of them. The problems are centrally how to beat back the Southern conservative idiocy currently plaguing the country in the form of the GOP.
 

Ether_Snake

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You've raised a lot of different questions. To answer the very first one, the US government is not and cannot ever be bankrupt. Bankrupt of what? US dollars? It creates them. The LIBOR scandal is about how the system operates to benefit specific groups, not the solvency of the government. The only way to make the government insolvent is to dissolve the very fabric of the society. That can certainly be a concern, and it may be the objective of certain radicalized conservatives, but I don't think we're near the point of that coming to fruition. We've got huge problems, but the solvency of the US government isn't one of them. The problems are centrally how to beat back the Southern conservative idiocy currently plaguing the country in the form of the GOP.

The government is working for the banks. The banks are working for themselves.

No solution can take form under that scenario. It will take another USSR for the US government to be serious again.
 
Why is the bankruptcy of the US not a bigger topic right now?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483230

And did Obama ever even talk about the Libor scandal?

I mean seriously, there is no coming out of this mess until the banksters are removed from power. Neither the Republicans or Democrats will do it, they play along with them. Not just in the US, it's the same shit everywhere.

Down the line, it doesn't matter who wins, the US is still fucked, because banksters runs the US.

Bankruptcy of the US...because Detroit? No

Detroit is one of the most mismanaged cities in the country, if not the most. It's truly breath taking. You basically have a corrupt government and a non-existent tax base, plus a large population of people who have never worked a day in their lives. Not to mention a public school system that doesn't prepare anyone for anything.

They should have agreed to the urban farming projects, tear down the vacant buildings, and start preparing kids to be plumbers, construction workers, etc. Hell, turn the areas near the casinos into a Hampsterdam situation where police look the other way as long as violence is curbed.
 

Keio

For a Finer World
He's a right winger. This sort of shit is minimum requirement stuff.

Related question: Where are Kosmo's allies to aid him in such times? Is there no loyalty among the Bulbos, the BigSicilies, the Ripclawes of the world?
In their world, it's every man for himself.
 

AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Talking politics with my wife and we got into the discussion of who we were going to vote for, she took my information about Romney better than I expected. She, like many Mormons who are ignorant of politics thinks that he is some awesome, honest, inspired guy. I told her I am probably going third party and she thought that was alright. As long as I don't vote for President Obama, I will be fine :p
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I'm glad the GOP has their priorities straight, again.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/politics/senate-bring-jobs-home-bill-blocked/index.html

Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president's congressional "to-do-list," refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that "insource" jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.
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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, responded that those amendments were not germane to the bill and he would not allow votes on them.

Is that the new plan GOP? You won't vote on any law unless it includes repealing the Health Care Law? I'm sure Kosmo will find a way to spin this as a Positive for the Republicans.
 
It should be pointed out that democrats have been talking about ending outsourcing since 2004 and haven't done anything to address it. It's just a political football for elections.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It should be pointed out that democrats have been talking about ending outsourcing since 2004 and haven't done anything to address it. It's just a political football for elections.

Exactly how can they when they can't bring it up for a vote?

Edit: The one argument I could see is,
They knew they did not have the votes so they brought it to a vote.

But, there were a few republican defectors.
 
Exactly how can they when they can't bring it up for a vote?

Edit: The one argument I could see is,
They knew they did not have the votes so they brought it to a vote.

But, there were a few republican defectors.

Why wasn't this brought up when they had a super majority in the Senate? Oh wait, they didn't give a shit. It's a very effective political football that will never be retired.

Republicans certainly have a bunch of similar pet projects they rarely/never touch when in power too (tort reform comes to mind)
 

TomServo

Junior Member
You've raised a lot of different questions. To answer the very first one, the US government is not and cannot ever be bankrupt. Bankrupt of what? US dollars? It creates them.

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He claimed he left Bain in 1999 to run the Salt Lake City Olympics, but Bain's SEC filings show him as owner and manager through 2002.

Basically, he either got paid at least $100k/year to do nothing for 3 years and lied to the SEC (which is possibly a crime) or he lied to the public about his involvement in Bain for some reason.

What is the story on the testimony he did for residency? Apparently he had to testify that he was a resident of Mass to run for governor and as part of it he said he came back to go to board meetings for some Bain companies. And that was also after 1999. So he says he quit in 1999 and then has two different sets of showings to the government that he was still working for Bain after 1999. What a mess.
 

Puddles

Banned
I'm glad the GOP has their priorities straight, again.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/politics/senate-bring-jobs-home-bill-blocked/index.html

"Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president's congressional "to-do-list," refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that "insource" jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.
...
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, responded that those amendments were not germane to the bill and he would not allow votes on them."

Is that the new plan GOP? You won't vote on any law unless it includes repealing the Health Care Law? I'm sure Kosmo will find a way to spin this as a Positive for the Republicans.

I don't understand how people can read about this and not give the Democrats a 100-0 advantage on the generic congressional ballot.

Seriously, this crap:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, responded that those amendments were not germane to the bill and he would not allow votes on them.

sounds like dealing with pre-schoolers.
 

Diablos

Member
We need more polling in VA plz. I don't like to see that tightening up...

Ohio, Iowa, and especially Michigan are way too close for comfort.
 

Puddles

Banned

Holy shit.

This paragraph is an absolute gem:

Similar, too, is the fact that the study ignores Canada’s microscopic defense spending, which amounts to a fraction of the U.S. military budget. For decades, Canada has relied on the U.S. for its own defense and protection, and instead blows its money on a flawed single-payer health system that is growing more expensive and whose long wait times for exams and doctor or hospital visits has Canadians flying down to the U.S. for health care.
 
Holy shit.

This paragraph is an absolute gem:

That's nothing!

America lost its S&P triple-A last year, because its socialized housing policies caused the financial crisis and wrecked the U.S. economy.

Fixing income inequality by giving everyone a house was a social science experiment with disastrous consequences.

Fuck me, did I fall asleep and miss this?

So socialized housing experiments caused the financial crisis. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.
 
We need more polling in VA plz. I don't like to see that tightening up...

Ohio, Iowa, and especially Michigan are way too close for comfort.
I like how everyone is ignoring the polls of Virginia that have come out recently with Obama up high single digits over Romney because Quinnipac has one where they're tied.

Even Ras has him up in Ohio, he's leading in Iowa relative to his national numbers, and seriously he's not losing in Michigan.
 

siddhu33

Member
America lost its S&P triple-A last year, because its socialized housing policies caused the financial crisis and wrecked the U.S. economy.

Fixing income inequality by giving everyone a house was a social science experiment with disastrous consequences.

What in the hell...
Some serious trolling, right there. Like "The Onion" level of trolling.
 

Puddles

Banned
I've never really watched Fox News.

Is that a pretty good representation of the the world that Fox News portrays on a daily basis?
 

Averon

Member
America lost its S&P triple-A last year, because its socialized housing policies caused the financial crisis and wrecked the U.S. economy.

Fixing income inequality by giving everyone a house was a social science experiment with disastrous consequences.

No. We lost our AAA rating because one party was willing to let the government default if they didn't get their way.
 

Drek

Member
I dont think his dad's stock was expressly for college tuition, more like they decided to sell it while in college to make ends meet. He got it as birthday gifts growing up it seems. My non-wealthy brother and sister in law do it for their kids, too.

Do your non-wealthy brother and sister in law give their kids ~$1000 in stock every year?

If not then they're worse parents than George Romney.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
I got in a long argument with a friend who told me I have to vote for Obama because I come from a battleground state (Florida). I told her I voted for him in 2008, but since then, he's done nothing for me. I didn't care for his shitty healthcare plan and didn't like the way it came about. Ironically, I would have love a single-payer system, but forcing me (and others) to private insurers has pissed me off to no end. There's been nothing else of note that he's done that's impacted my life in any significant way.

So I told her, I'm going back to voting Green, or whatever other candidate I personally like. My rationale is that while I'm put off by much of the Republican party, I don't feel I should be forced to vote for someone else just because they represent the lesser of two evils. She's like, "so what happens if Mitt wins this year?"

My reply, "You have to accept the fact that we are outnumbered in this state and country by idiots. If that many people willingly vote for shitty policies and candidates, then why keep fighting it? At some point you need to stop fighting a losing battle between Douchebag and Turd Sandwich and just vote your conscience.

I don't understand why Reps always push extremist, borderline retarded platforms when in power, but everytime the Dems get power, they can only push through marginalized, watered-down crap that doesn't even adhere to the party's platform. I'm tired of it. If Dems want my vote, then instead of becoming moderate pussies that only look out for their jobs, once elected, then they need to stand by their platform and stop wilting everytime they get pressed. Give liberal ideas a chance to grab a foothold.

IMO, the reason people readily vote Republican is because at least they stick by their guns. Love them or hate them, they don't compromise a whole lot. You know what Republican policies and concepts are because they bludgeon you to death with them. The Democrat platform has been so diluted it's hard to even tell where Dems stand. Democrats don't have confidence in their own platform. Who really wants to vote for a party that can't even hold up its own principles? Ugh.

So...this Fall I'll be voting Green, if I even vote at all. That's gonna be 1 more liberal, Floridian vote not going to Obama. I hope he wins, because he's better than Mittens, but I refuse to vote for this bullshit anymore. Something's gotta give. Dems are still Republican-lite, and that's not cutting it anymore. Rant off. PEACE.
 
I got in a long argument with a friend who told me I have to vote for Obama because I come from a battleground state (Florida). I told her I voted for him in 2008, but since then, he's done nothing for me. I didn't care for his shitty healthcare plan and didn't like the way it came about. Ironically, I would have love a single-payer system, but forcing me (and others) to private insurers has pissed me off to no end. There's been nothing else of note that he's done that's impacted my life in any significant way.

So I told her, I'm going back to voting Green, or whatever other candidate I personally like. My rationale is that while I'm put off by much of the Republican party, I don't feel I should be forced to vote for someone else just because they represent the lesser of two evils. She's like, "so what happens if Mitt wins this year?"

My reply, "You have to accept the fact that we are outnumbered in this state and country by idiots. If that many people willingly vote for shitty policies and candidates, then why keep fighting it? At some point you need to stop fighting a losing battle between Douchebag and Turd Sandwich and just vote your conscience.

I don't understand why Reps always push extremist, borderline retarded platforms when in power, but everytime the Dems get power, they can only push through marginalized, watered-down crap that doesn't even adhere to the party's platform. I'm tired of it. If Dems want my vote, then instead of becoming moderate pussies that only look out for their jobs, once elected, then they need to stand by their platform and stop wilting everytime they get pressed. Give liberal ideas a chance to grab a foothold.

IMO, the reason people readily vote Republican is because at least they stick by their guns. Love them or hate them, they don't compromise a whole lot. You know what Republican policies and concepts are because they bludgeon you to death with them. The Democrat platform has been so diluted it's hard to even tell where Dems stand. Democrats don't have confidence in their own platform. Who really wants to vote for a party that can't even hold up its own principles? Ugh.

So...this Fall I'll be voting Green, if I even vote at all. That's gonna be 1 more liberal, Floridian vote not going to Obama. I hope he wins, because he's better than Mittens, but I refuse to vote for this bullshit anymore. Something's gotta give. Dems are still Republican-lite, and that's not cutting it anymore. Rant off. PEACE.

So you are not voting for Dems because they are more accepting of people with differing viewpoints and you would prefer they take the country hostage too, just because. Got it.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
So you are not voting for Dems because they are more accepting of people with differing viewpoints and you would prefer they take the country hostage too, just because. Got it.

Bigger tent doesn't mean you abandon your platform. If the tent is so large that you're only slightly less right-leaning than the Republicans, then you can understand why so many people vote Republican.

BTW, if that's the attitude most Democrats hold, then I hate to break it to you, but you're not really accepting of differing viewpoints. Just saying....

Tell me, do you vote your conscience, or just for one of the two parties? There're certainly more than 2 choices in life. PEACE.
 

Drek

Member
I got in a long argument with a friend who told me I have to vote for Obama because I come from a battleground state (Florida). I told her I voted for him in 2008, but since then, he's done nothing for me. I didn't care for his shitty healthcare plan and didn't like the way it came about. Ironically, I would have love a single-payer system, but forcing me (and others) to private insurers has pissed me off to no end. There's been nothing else of note that he's done that's impacted my life in any significant way.
So as a Floridian you aren't the least bit concerned about coastal land loss due to global climate change?

You know, the thing Obama's EPA is trying to mitigate through regulating greenhouse gas emissions until we better understand what exactly is happening.

FYI, this is what your state looks like with a 3' rise in global sea level, the head of the University of Miami's Geosciences dept. predicts that's coming by about 2099:
florida_14.jpg


Do you have any friends or family in the military? Thanks to Obama's foreign policy we're already mostly out of Iraq and have a real timetable to get out of Afghanistan.

Obama displayed the kind of geo-political stance many of us have been wanting for quite some time when he "led from behind" on Libya, keeping U.S. troops off the ground and U.S. financial commitments to a minimum.

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (Obama created) has put more protections in place for consumers than almost all the laws before it combined with regards to how lenders and the like must deal with consumers. They just hit Capital One with a $210M fine (the vast majority of which is being returned to consumers) for outright fraud in how it marketed card features to those consumers.

Now if you aren't just Florida-centric he did also keep Detroit from turning completely into a 3rd world city and saved several major U.S. jobs providers in the auto industry, with money that has almost all been paid back.

Hell, if you just like "America - FUCK YEA!" stories he got Bin Laden and had snipers shoot Somali pirates from the deck of an aircraft carrier like a billion miles away on the high seas. Pretty baller shit there.

I don't understand why Reps always push extremist, borderline retarded platforms when in power, but everytime the Dems get power, they can only push through marginalized, watered-down crap that doesn't even adhere to the party's platform. I'm tired of it. If Dems want my vote, then instead of becoming moderate pussies that only look out for their jobs, once elected, then they need to stand by their platform and stop wilting everytime they get pressed. Give liberal ideas a chance to grab a foothold.
Because then we just wind up with two extremist factions and this country goes to hell in a hand basket.

You're literally complaining about your elected representatives acting like intelligent, compromising, adults as opposed to whiny little children, which apparently is your preference.

IMO, the reason people readily vote Republican is because at least they stick by their guns. Love them or hate them, they don't compromise a whole lot. You know what Republican policies and concepts are because they bludgeon you to death with them.
People vote republican because they fear change. That fear is born out of 1. loving their white privilege 2. fearing all other races 3. not wanting to learn anything new. I'd say when presented with people who push for the opposite of those agendas (like the current POTUS) those of us who actually give a damn and have some self awareness are responsible or standing up and supporting them.

Obama is the best president this country has had in over 30 years. Just because he doesn't have carte blanche to push every liberal agenda, or doesn't even care to push every liberal agenda, he's suddenly an "ineffective" president to many on the left. Dude just can't win with some people.

And FYI, his health care plan (while flawed) is a massive improvement over what we had, its not his fault if some people refuse to handle their shit like grown ass adults.
 
I got in a long argument with a friend who told me I have to vote for Obama because I come from a battleground state (Florida). I told her I voted for him in 2008, but since then, he's done nothing for me. I didn't care for his shitty healthcare plan and didn't like the way it came about. Ironically, I would have love a single-payer system, but forcing me (and others) to private insurers has pissed me off to no end. There's been nothing else of note that he's done that's impacted my life in any significant way.

So I told her, I'm going back to voting Green, or whatever other candidate I personally like. My rationale is that while I'm put off by much of the Republican party, I don't feel I should be forced to vote for someone else just because they represent the lesser of two evils. She's like, "so what happens if Mitt wins this year?"

My reply, "You have to accept the fact that we are outnumbered in this state and country by idiots. If that many people willingly vote for shitty policies and candidates, then why keep fighting it? At some point you need to stop fighting a losing battle between Douchebag and Turd Sandwich and just vote your conscience.

I don't understand why Reps always push extremist, borderline retarded platforms when in power, but everytime the Dems get power, they can only push through marginalized, watered-down crap that doesn't even adhere to the party's platform. I'm tired of it. If Dems want my vote, then instead of becoming moderate pussies that only look out for their jobs, once elected, then they need to stand by their platform and stop wilting everytime they get pressed. Give liberal ideas a chance to grab a foothold.

IMO, the reason people readily vote Republican is because at least they stick by their guns. Love them or hate them, they don't compromise a whole lot. You know what Republican policies and concepts are because they bludgeon you to death with them. The Democrat platform has been so diluted it's hard to even tell where Dems stand. Democrats don't have confidence in their own platform. Who really wants to vote for a party that can't even hold up its own principles? Ugh.

So...this Fall I'll be voting Green, if I even vote at all. That's gonna be 1 more liberal, Floridian vote not going to Obama. I hope he wins, because he's better than Mittens, but I refuse to vote for this bullshit anymore. Something's gotta give. Dems are still Republican-lite, and that's not cutting it anymore. Rant off. PEACE.

It sounds like you should be directing your anger toward the First Past the Post voting system we have in the United States and would much prefer MMP or another proportional voting system.

The Wiki page for MMP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_representation

What I would personally recomend is for you to push locally for the proportional voting system you prefer, or has most local traction, while still voting for the lesser of two evils presidential candidate until we can push a proportional voting system nationwide.

Actually, what I think would work well for us if the US were to keep the three branches the same, just with different voting systems, is for a proportional voting system for Congress and a Alternative vote for the Presidency.
 
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