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PoliGAF 2012 Community Thread |OT2| This thread title is now under military control
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SouthernDragon
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You have been super prolific.
I've been on PoliGAF since... 2006. Your name has definitely cropped up a lot recently.
But enough about me.
eBay Huckster
Member
i actually can't believe i've only been here three years, feels like it's been longer for some reason
Orbis Tabula
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speculawyer
Member
Things like this put Harry Reid's comments in perspective. Liberals fret whether it is OK for Harry Reid to spread hearsay. Conservatives have no problems with outright lies straight from the Romney campaign about Obama supposedly wanting to limit military voting.
C'mon.
Black Mamba
Member
https://twitter.com/MarishaAgana
I don't even have a gif to convey my feelings. Reading her tweets I almost wonder if she is a troll candidate. Poe's law and all that. THE LINE KEEPS BLURRING!
PhoenixDark
Banned
Eh wrong is wrong. That's not to say these comments are "equal" but let's be fair. Reid is making unsubstantiated claims that he has no means of proving accurate, not particularly different from the various warped burden of proof arguments from birthers. Romney is straight up distorting the Obama administration's policy on early voting, outright claiming the WH is restricting service members from voting. He seems to be pivoting back a bit to an argument more aimed on the administration's argument that the military shouldn't be treated differently, which is what the story is actually about
Black Mamba
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I think Reid should up the ante, personally.
He should come out and say his source is from the McCain camp directly involved in vetting the VPs.
It doesn't have to be true. It would simply add some validity to his claim and it would have the republicans infighting (especially if there's any truth to it).
And if it's not true and Romney proves it, Reid can simply call the McCain camp liars for lying to him in a ploy to get him to do this.
Of course, Romney did do nefarious things so he won't release them. And thus, Reid should up the ante for sure and really piss off Republicans.
He should come out and say his source is from the McCain camp directly involved in vetting the VPs.
It doesn't have to be true. It would simply add some validity to his claim and it would have the republicans infighting (especially if there's any truth to it).
And if it's not true and Romney proves it, Reid can simply call the McCain camp liars for lying to him in a ploy to get him to do this.
Of course, Romney did do nefarious things so he won't release them. And thus, Reid should up the ante for sure and really piss off Republicans.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
he was being fair. Also, Obama proved his birth, Romney hasn't proved his tax status. Not the same.
NullPointer
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Got a kick out of this article: Barack Obama REALLY Doesn't Like Mitt Romney
Ouch.
Agreed. Especially since the "L" word has been unleashed.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Haha, mittens is such a piece of shit. no one likes him.
PhoenixDark
Banned
How is this different from the argument before Obama released his long form birth certificate? Burden of proof lies with Reid, as it did with birthers
Except there is a long precedent of releasing YEARS worth of tax returns if you are running for president. No such precedent when it comes to a birth certificate.
electricpirate
Member
???
Short form was legitimate proof, validated by the state of Hawaii. The difference is that romney has released nothing about his taxes for that period, Obama had released sufficient proof unless you are a conspiracy theorizing nutbag.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Reid shouldn't be doing what he's doing as it's shitty. It's not the same thing, and your stupid claim for being fair was still fucking stupid. the original post you quoted was fair in every way, but you still have to spout fucking nonsense to sound superior and twist it to your mediocre agenda. your schtick is tired and worn.
NullPointer
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And Romney's pushing an agenda to alter the tax code, not birth related paperwork. His personal taxes are relevant.
Black Mamba
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And Romney's company (one of them) has been fined for tax evasion in the past, too.
PhoenixDark
Banned
What does that have to do with Reid actively claiming that Romney paid no taxes for ten years, without any evidence? The burden of proof is with Reid here, not Romney
Birthers can get in touch with officials to get the information if they have a legitimate cause.
As far as I know, only Romney has the authority to release his own tax returns.
You're the one that compared it to the birth certificate bullshit.
Because unlike Romney he actually DID show his short form birth certificate when no other candidate in the US had to do so publicly? It was in the dem primaries if you remember (It was Hilary that provoked it even!). Its honestly not even the same stratosphere when you get technical. Obama proved he was a US citizen in the primaries, the 'proof' wasn't good enough for some people so they kept demanding him to go beyond legal procedure to see the long form. No such short term proof has ever been shown by Romney on his taxes when his friggin father started the precedent on releasing multi year tax returns and basically every president and most nominees have done so since. Also he has been a confirmed liar about his taxes already during the Massachusetts campaign so really its not even close to the same, he needs to prove it at this point and no one else. Let Reid up the ante, when he has been confirmed to lie about his taxes already to the public its his turn and only his turn to put up or shut up.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Birthers are truly exceptional, they really are.
Only Romney has the authority to release his returns. He wont because he thinks that it'll stop him from getting elected.
Only Romney has the authority to release his returns. He wont because he thinks that it'll stop him from getting elected.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
so fucking sad that he can't even remember the bullshit he just posted. fucking mental gymnastics
Black Mamba
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No, the burden of proof is on Romney since he's the only one capable of providing proof.
Oh shit, F_P offed himself? Sorry to see that happen. Really liked the kid. Hope he'll be doing well without having to obsess over politics all the time.
Of course, with F_P gone, I guess this means I can muscle in on his podcast monopoly.
Of course, with F_P gone, I guess this means I can muscle in on his podcast monopoly.
Oh shit, F_P offed himself? Sorry to see that happen. Really liked the kid. Hope he'll be doing well without having to obsess over politics all the time.
Of course, with F_P gone, I guess this means I can muscle in on his podcast monopoly.
It's disturbing when I see that you still do not have an avatar...lol
Aaron Strife
Banned
PPP went into Colorado, they're teasing some of the findings.
Obama's winning independents 49-38.
CO voters support an assault weapons ban by 58-35.
Romney's approval with CO Hispanics is 28/69.
Obama's winning independents 49-38.
CO voters support an assault weapons ban by 58-35.
Romney's approval with CO Hispanics is 28/69.
speculawyer
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His burden to prove what? That someone told him that? There is no proof he can provide of that.
But Reid has explicitly said that he does not know if the claim is true so he doesn't need to provide proof that the claim is true. It is hearsay.
In my 7 years (holy shit) of being on GAF, I've only had an avatar once, and it was for a few weeks, only to celebrate the coming of Super Mario Galaxy (the superior first one, of course).
Maybe if the Chairman wins in November, I'll have one of Romney crying or something.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
speculawyer
Member
The GOP may have lost this presidential election during the GOP primary.
I'm gonna build a wall!
I'm gonna build a wall with barb wire!
I'm gonna build a wall with barb wire and electrify it!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The word Oblivion has been so heavily tied in recent years for me to the Magic: the Gathering card Oblivion Ring that whenever I see your username I think for a brief second that you had the art from that card as your avatar and removed it recently. Its weird man
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Of course, with F_P gone, I guess this means I can muscle in on his podcast monopoly.
If you want me to come on and have a few left-wing anti-American rants then I'd be more than happy to.
Yep. We actually lived one block from each other one year.
Strangely, we have never met in person.
edit: I was UCB then, became scola in '04? when ever the last huge re-registration was
Heh, usually when people see my name they think of that cursed Elder Scrolls title. I had the misfortune of picking this name a few days before Bethesda announced the title, and it's bothered me ever since.
Gaffer: Hey, nice handle! Guess you're a big fan of Elder Scrolls, huh?
Me: No, damn it! I hate that series! D:
NathanMcMahon
Banned
I'm guessing it'll land like a big soggy flop similar to a wet towel. can't wait for PD to spin it into relevance.
speculawyer
Member
Things are not looking so good for him. The Romney campaign really needs a game changer.
Palin again! For the lulz! You've already lost . . . at least entertain us.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Is there anyone left at this point who's still convinced that Romney was sent to die in 2012? lol
Best thing about the Reid hearsay argument is that even conservatives think its true. So they're just bitching about the method without being normal and addressing the problem itself Mitt's tax records.
It's like fighting a speeding ticket with the constitution.
It's like fighting a speeding ticket with the constitution.
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