cartoon_soldier
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I was just pointing out that Reid has done this twice now. Both times, it has turned out well for Democrats.
After seeing the Media enablement of the anti-HCR frenzy, yea, I am very scared to be overly positive.
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I was just pointing out that Reid has done this twice now. Both times, it has turned out well for Democrats.
After seeing the Media enablement of the anti-HCR frenzy, yea, I am very scared to be overly positive.
el retorno
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And thats it. Nobody is gonna swing their vote for either of those two issues, especially with the economy where it is.
Black Mamba
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-obama-administration-fires-back-on-welfare/
Not sure how wise it is to attack Obama for something they have a signed copy of you endorsing...
Aaron Strife
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The GOP wins its base by building up credibility on social issues so they can sell them economic conservatism as well. It's a pretty dastardly combination.
I think as time goes on though, we're going to see more Wall Street Democrats selling that economic conservatism with social liberalism - Andrew Cuomo for example, Democrats in NY love him for passing gay marriage even though he's cut state budgets and lowered taxes on millionaires.
Democrats don't know how to play for the winning team.Incognito said:
This one is impressive, even for Romney.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Please oh please let something come back to bite them in the ass. At this point it cannot be any more explicitly clear that they care first and foremost about saying the opposite of Obama
RustyNails
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Seriously. I'm so glad democrats are actually bringing heat this time. Do any of you remember 2004 elections? Kerry and the democrats simply bent over and adopted "above the fray" attitude. That bit them in the ass so hard.
This is how you win elections in Amercia.
ErasureAcer
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Are Mizzou Republicans doing it again with their nominee? So far to the right they give McCaskill the win? Akin up 13,000 with 51% counted. McCaskill was tied with him in latest poll...the other two she's 10 points behind. lol.
There are some really good statements in the voter pamphlet this primary. Actually had a candidate for Lt. Gov. running on an anti-fluoridation issue. Then there's a candidate for senator running on impeaching Obama for using the Bin Laden mission as a cover to deliver a stealth spy drone to Iran or something.
Good stuff...
Good stuff...
Democrats need to learn to grow some balls and go on the offensive. Letting fox news trample all over them has OBVIOUSLY not worked.
cartoon_soldier
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Tod Atkins won the MO GOP Senate primary. He is Dem's favored candidate that might give McCaskill a chance to retain her seat.
Oh and Palin's candidate lost just a week after Politico's mega banner "Senate Kingmaker" article, lol.
Oh and Palin's candidate lost just a week after Politico's mega banner "Senate Kingmaker" article, lol.
The burden of proof is on both. Romney should be rightly excoriated for a lack of transparency. And if he expects to wholly dispel even a trace of impropriety, he should release his returns. But if Reid's going to reference a source in his attack, he should identify them. Otherwise, it's impossible to judge the veracity of his claim.
Rarely will I concur with 29 Republican governors, but the waivers are good policy.
I personally don't see the outrage over Reid's remarks. He just claimed that Romney didn't pay taxes, not that he murdered someone and put their body in a ditch somewhere. The Republican outrage machine is on overdrive.
Agreed. It's a breath of fresh air seeing Dems not being on their heels being played like fiddles by the GOP and Fox News.
cartoon_soldier
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The outrage is because the Media is not used to Dems having some balls.
True. I love the pundits saying that Obama is tarnishing his brand by going on the attack. I personally think it's great.
ClassyPenguin
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ugh, two things that by this day and age should be non-issues.
I'll never get why people are vehemently opposed to abortion or gay marriage.
I had an argument on this subject with a friend of mine today and a lot of it comes from a misplaced paranoid delusion, fallacies and some odd mental gymnastics and just plain foolishness. Dude thinks that Planned Parenthood is only there to facilitate abortion and some conspiracy-like eugenics. Also used the Libertarian tactic of rejecting any facts that the organization just because it came from the organization itself (ignoring the fact that it's a non-profit and has to legally release the info unlike the Catholic Church which does so selectively)
ErasureAcer
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Remind me not to donate to Primary candidates. Burner is gonna finish behind DelBene in WA-01.
It's Susan DelBene!
Wuthering_Heights
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I completely forgot to vote today.
I feel terrible.
I feel terrible.
NullPointer
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Fair enough. At least its not lying.
Romney's response about paying lots of taxes immediately made me wonder how many refunds he got and what his actual tax burden was. Most of the complex instruments have associated refunds. He just needs to show them and get it over with.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Alex Wagner makes a good point about the whole Romney/Welfare attack. Paraphrasing:
He accuses Obama of not creating enough jobs and then says people don't want to work, while also claiming he's one of the unemployed.
He accuses Obama of not creating enough jobs and then says people don't want to work, while also claiming he's one of the unemployed.
When all is said and done my guess is Romney lets his campaign go down in flames before he releases his returns.
They might get leaked, but he will never release them IMO. Even he knows there is more at stake than his personal desire to be president (though he hasn't demonstrated that on other topics heretofore)
They might get leaked, but he will never release them IMO. Even he knows there is more at stake than his personal desire to be president (though he hasn't demonstrated that on other topics heretofore)
empty vessel
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Courts have burdens of proof, but they also have discovery. The parties to lawsuits exchange not only what relevant, admissible evidence they have in their possession, but even inadmissible evidence that could reasonably lead to relevant admissible evidence. Indeed, even attorney work product--usually confidential--is not immune to discovery if the other party can show that they are unable to obtain the evidence by other means and that it is necessary to prove their case.
The ball is in Romney's court, who is the only person in possession of the evidence. As long as Reid is not straight-up lying about being told something by a source that could be credible--and I see no reason to think that he is--there is nothing wrong with his relaying the information in my opinion.
To be fair, does Obama really "support abortion," though? I mean I'm all for complete legalization and access to it, but I wouldn't say I'm "for abortion." I don't like the act and would like that we did as little of it as possible, but I know that it needs to be kept legal and safe, and we should also do things to our healthcare system, and all of that together would lead to less abortions in general. I also wouldn't ever judge someone for having one, since I'd rather not judge someone's own life situation and a hard decision like that. But still, I'm not "for abortions," and I'd suspect Obama's likely the same, as are a lot of liberals. I'm for "keeping the right to have an abortion legal."
That's one thing that really bugs me about Republicans. They have this weird notion that we love abortions and celebrate them happening or something. Like we all sit there and gleefully cheer every time we hear of an abortion happening.
speculawyer
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Mitt Romney was once on the other side of an issue he is now pushing? Well . . . I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you.
It's like clockwork.
What we'd prefer, is easy access to contraceptives and education so that abortions were never or rarely necessary, but the fucking idiots are against those too. They are also against more poor and or brown people, yet are actively promoting their creation.
It is the party of by Derp, for Derp.
el retorno
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No he doesn't support abortions. He supports the right of a women to choice to get one.
It not really about supporting abortion but an issue of choice. And whether the state should have any role in that choice (and if so, at what time).
I mean I'm very pro-choice but at the same time pretty anti-abortion. I believe the right to terminate a pregnancy is a woman's private choice but at the same time I hate abortion knowing that that's a life that's never gonna have a chance (I understand many would be born in poverty, etc) and I guess I do judge at least a bit people who have had an abortion due to stupidity (middle class kids who were to lazy to put on a condom, these being the only abortions where I've personally know the people) though I harbor no dislike of women who are there do to economic hardship, rape and all that. And my advice would always be to have a baby.
Abortion is a really tough issue and I hate when many on the left make the issue so cut an dry. I believe that the issue of choice is cut and dry (its not your body) but the general issue of abortion is something that deals with the very notion of what is life and humanity.
PantherLotus
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Here's what you need to know about every Romney offensive attempt so far:
1. It's either not true, distorted, taken out of context, or just blatant lying.
2. If it's attacking Obama for something, it's for something Romney previously supported.
Amazing honestly.
1. It's either not true, distorted, taken out of context, or just blatant lying.
2. If it's attacking Obama for something, it's for something Romney previously supported.
Amazing honestly.
speculawyer
Member
The official Libertarian Party position is pro-choice!
Opposing gay marriage seems a ridiculous. They are going to lose in due time . . . get over it.
But I can understand the anti-abortion view if you are a hardcore religious person and things god sprinkles magic dust on a fertilized egg. But I think that view is ridiculous.
cartoon_soldier
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I wouldn't be surprised if 2008/2009 are his problematic year. When he didn't really know for sure Obama would be doing this bad, when he was still asking Obama to follow his HCR plan, so in many ways he might not have been expecting to run for President. And with the stock market crashes, it would be very easy to write off losses and pay no income tax.
speculawyer
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But Reid's only claim is that "Someone told me this." He is not claiming that he is certain that it is true. You criticize him for repeating hearsay, but you can't prove he is lying..
Romney can, tomorrow. Even McCain could. His silence is now conspicuous.
speculawyer
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Yeah . . . this is something that has always driven me crazy. They don't want to teach sex education, they don't even want birth control to be easily available these days, they want abortion to be illegal, and they'd like to get rid of welfare. That is a fucking formula for creating human misery. That will create nation of poor uneducated teen pregnancies. That is the path to creating a third-world country. Why would they want that?
I know what they would say . . . "Uh . . . personal responsibility." Yeah well, half the people are below median intelligence. There are a lot of people out there there that will do dumb things and make mistakes . . . you know this. So why don't YOU take some personal responsibility for pushing policies that create a mess!
Aaron Strife
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Akin vs. McCaskill is the best match-up Democrats could have hoped for in Missouri, simply because Steelman and Brunner could have run as outsiders with no Congressional record (and no poison pill votes like the Ryan plan or ACA repeal).
Still a toss-up at best and it'll probably go down to the wire on election night, but McCaskill has a huge fundraising advantage.
Still a toss-up at best and it'll probably go down to the wire on election night, but McCaskill has a huge fundraising advantage.
Black Mamba
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Vanity Fair has a good article on Romney's finances.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts
A snippet:
I suggest reading the 4 page article. Then take some blood pressure medication.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts
A snippet:
Mysteries also arise when one looks at Romney’s individual retirement account at Bain Capital. When Romney was there, from 1984 to 1999, taxpayers were allowed to put just $2,000 per year into an I.R.A., and $30,000 annually into a different kind of plan he may have used. Given these annual contribution ceilings, how can his I.R.A. possibly contain up to $102 million, as his financial disclosures now suggest?
The Romneys won’t say, but Mark Maremont, writing in The Wall Street Journal, uncovered a likely explanation. When Bain Capital bought companies, it would create two classes of shares, named A and L. The A shares were risky common shares, to which they would assign a very low value. The L shares were preferred shares, paying a high dividend but with the payoff frozen, and most of the value was assigned to them. Bain employees would then put the exciting A shares in their I.R.A. accounts, where they grew tax-free. With all the risk of the deal, the A shares stood to gain a lot or collapse. But if the deal succeeded, the springing value could be stunning: Bain employees saw their A shares from one particularly fruitful deal grow 583-fold, 16 times faster than the underlying stock.
The Romneys won’t tell us how, or even if, they assigned super-low values to the A shares, but there are a couple of ways to do it. One is to use standard options models to price the shares—then feed inappropriate assumptions into those models. Romney could alternatively have used a model called liquidation valuation, which Kleinbard says would have been “completely inappropriate.” Without seeing the assumptions used on Romney’s tax returns from the years when those lowball A shares were squirted into his I.R.A., we cannot know how he did it. Whatever methods he used, however, the valuations were, according to Andrew Smith, of Houlihan Capital in Chicago, “pushing the envelope.” (Andrea Saul retorts, “Why should successful investments be criticized?”
Mitt’s and Ann’s I.R.A.’s have also been receiving profit interest from (mostly Cayman Island–based) Bain Capital funds that were set up long after he had left the company, in 1999. For example, the 2010 return reveals a profits interest in a Cayman-based fund called Bain Capital Partners (AM) X LP, which was transferred to the Ann D. Romney trust in October 2010. An attachment to the return says the Ann D. Romney trust is “performing services” to the partnership, which is boilerplate language for these kinds of filings. Her blind trust could receive lightly taxed income from Bain Capital for years to come, well into the presidential term her husband hopes to win.
But administrative guidance says you can do this kind of thing only if the compensation is in recognition of past services you have provided. “This should not mean retired from the mother ship 10 years out and getting profits you had nothing to do with,” Sheppard says, adding that Romney can get away with it because of excessive “administrative indulgences” that have allowed a “perversion of the law in favor of a small class of overcompensated investment managers.”
I suggest reading the 4 page article. Then take some blood pressure medication.
Free market. If those laid of employees didn't like it they should have leveraged a buyout first.Vanity Fair has a good article on Romney's finances.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts
A snippet:
I suggest reading the 4 page article. Then take some blood pressure medication.
Black Republican
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Obama v Romney
Approval/Senate
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 51% / Jeff Fitzgerald (R) 39% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 48% / Mark Neumann (R) 45% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 47% / Eric Hovde (R) 43% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 47% / Tommy Thompson (R) 47% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
VIRGINIA U.S. Senate: Tim Kaine (D) 48% / George Allen (R) 46% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
Pollingreport.com
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute
Approval/Senate
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 51% / Jeff Fitzgerald (R) 39% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 48% / Mark Neumann (R) 45% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 47% / Eric Hovde (R) 43% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
WISCONSIN U.S. Senate: Tammy Baldwin (D) 47% / Tommy Thompson (R) 47% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
VIRGINIA U.S. Senate: Tim Kaine (D) 48% / George Allen (R) 46% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/31 - 8/6)
Pollingreport.com
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute
Obama losing Colorado? Pathetic.
Isn't Colorado where South Park takes place? Is it really surprising a place like that wouldn't vote for Obama?
eBay Huckster
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Colorado polling this week has been a complete clusterfuck, we're now looking at 11 points of variance across the last three reported polls (O+6 from PPP and an exact tie from Guy Who's Bad At Polling yesterday, R+5 from Quinnipiac just now)
I do not envy Nate Silver right now
I do not envy Nate Silver right now
Rocket Scientist
Member
Do we need to objectify any and every attractive female TV personality? Are there even any women in PoliGAF?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Who cares?
Objectifying? That was a compliment.
Come on, you can't tell me you don't think she's smang worthy?
Also, what was your second question again?
Black Republican
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colorado thinks romney would be better on national security compared to obama.
wut?
wut?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
colorado thinks romney would be better on national security compared to obama.
wut?
You do have to ask what is going on with polling over there with that result.
Or just what is going on in general, hehe.
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