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Loudninja

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Obama: Romney Expects You To Have ‘Amnesia’
“All they will say is that the economy is not as good as it should be and it is Obama’s fault,” Obama said of the negative ads that will run against through November. “They expect you to have amnesia and not remember who it is that got us into the mess.”

“They may have a plan to win the election, but they cannot hide the fact that they do not have a plan to create jobs or revive the middle class, or grow the economy,” Obama said. “And I do have that plan.”
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/obama-romney-expects-you-to-have-amnesia

Damn right!
 
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Triple U

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Dude Abides said:
No it isn't. My wife and I pay $2600 a month in rent for 400 square feet. If we have a kid we'll have to move.
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Yikes.

But still, the average salary in Manhattan is 89k. Put a couple together making that and its 178k. Then realize we are talking 250k in salary.

Maybe our definitions of modest are different.
 
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eznark

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Obama continued, "It does seem NASA has come a long way from the white shirts, dark-rimmed glasses, and pocket protectors. You guys are a little cooler than you used to be."
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OFFENSIVE! I bet Gene Kranz could still kick the shit out of Obama today.
 
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CharlieDigital

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Plinko said:
No, $250,000 a year is NOT a "relatively modest income." This is the crap they are fed constantly on Fox News and their websites.
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It's pretty funny because it would be an admission, then, that a large majority of Americans live in "poverty" if $250K is "modest" because, you know, according to Census data, 97% of American households earn less than $250K.

My wife and I have friends where both husband and wife are teachers pulling in < $90K combined (low in NJ for the relatively high cost of living).

I'd love to hear if these Fox Business clowns would agree that if $250K is a "modest" household income, whether they agree that teachers should be paid a higher salary to at least be able to obtain a livable income rather than their "poverty" level income they have now.
 
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B-Dubs

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Triple U said:
Yikes.

But still, the average salary in Manhattan is 89k. Put a couple together making that and its 178k. Then realize we are talking 250k in salary.

Maybe our definitions of modest are different.
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The example used above was for three kids, 440sqft isn't enough for that. You can live in queens or another borough with 3 kids comfortably for that money, but Manhattan is a different story.
 
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Measley

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CharlieDigital said:
It's pretty funny because it would be an admission, then, that a large majority of Americans live in "poverty" if $250K is "modest" because, you know, according to Census data, 97% of American households earn less than $250K.

My wife and I have friends where both husband and wife are teachers pulling in < $90K combined (low in NJ for the relatively high cost of living).

I'd love to hear if these Fox Business clowns would agree that if $250K is a "modest" household income, whether they agree that teachers should be paid a higher salary to at least be able to obtain a livable income rather than their "poverty" level income they have now.
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Ditto for my wife and I. We're both teachers in Ohio making around 110k combined. Cost of living is a bit better here, so we're living very well. Still, if $250k is considered moderate living by the conservative business class, then we must be the working poor. I know married couples who make $50k a year combined income. They must be in poverty or something.

cartoon_soldier said:
PPP's twitter says Obama still leads in Ohio but by 6-8 points. So, OH + 2-3 Obama from PPP tomorrow I say.
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Romney fucked up by not picking Portman or Rubio. Just saying.
 
Dude Abides

Dude Abides

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Triple U said:
Yikes.

But still, the average salary in Manhattan is 89k. Put a couple together making that and its 178k. Then realize we are talking 250k in salary.

Maybe our definitions of modest are different.
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B-Dubs said:
The example used above was for three kids, 440sqft isn't enough for that. You can live in queens or another borough with 3 kids comfortably for that money, but Manhattan is a different story.
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What B-Dubs said. My wife and I make around 250k combined. If we had kids we'd have to move to a place that would be at least $4000k in month. Then you have to factor in childcare, and the fact that there are few public schools in Manhattan where you'd want to send your kids, so you're probably going to pay for that too.

AlteredBeast said:
I think I remember hearing that NJ had the worst taxes of all...might be off on that.
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If not, they are close. But the lower cost of living offsets the higher taxes. Plus we pay city taxes in NYC as well. The only problem with NJ is the commute, not helped by dipshit Christie's decision to scuttle the ARC tunnel.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Dude Abides said:
What B-Dubs said. My wife and I make around 250k combined. If we had kids we'd have to move to a place that would be at least $4000k in month. Then you have to factor in childcare, and the fact that there are few public schools in Manhattan where you'd want to send your kids, so you're probably going to pay for that too.



If not, they are close. But the lower cost of living offsets the higher taxes. Plus we pay city taxes in NYC as well. The only problem with NJ is the commute, not helped by dipshit Christie's decision to scuttle the ARC tunnel.
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Serious question, would the ARC tunnel have helped NJ or NY more?
 
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Miletius

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AlteredBeast said:
I think I remember hearing that NJ had the worst taxes of all...might be off on that.
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It has really high property taxes, but if you live far enough out of the way of NYC it's fine. You either pay for living close to NYC, or you live way far out and have a 4 hour (2 hours each way) ride on the NJT to look forward to every day.....
 
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CharlieDigital

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AlteredBeast said:
I think I remember hearing that NJ had the worst taxes of all...might be off on that.
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NJ has, on average, the highest property tax rates of any state in the country and it also has a very high state income tax rate (not the highest, but pretty much on par with NY).

But that said, our infrastructure is pretty solid, we have great public transportation to NYC (and all of the NE corridor, basically), and one of the highest rates of academic achievement among our school children.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
AlteredBeast said:
Serious question, would the ARC tunnel have helped NJ or NY more?
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NJ I think. The commute from NJ to Manhattan is stupid long. There was a thing on the news a while back about how a lot of people would just pick up hitchhikers and split the cost of crossing over with them. Plus Manhattan is already a living hell to drive in. I've made the crossover from NYC to NJ and back before to visit friends and it is insane, especially coming back. NJ commuters would have loved it I think.
 
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LegendofJoe

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I just read an article on Slate about Ryan making an early exit during a meeting with key Bush admin. economic policy advisors prior to the financial meltdown and proceeding to sell shares to invest in Goldman. I can't wait to see the attack ad from the democrats if the claim is true.
 
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electricpirate

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Dude Abides said:
What B-Dubs said. My wife and I make around 250k combined. If we had kids we'd have to move to a place that would be at least $4000k in month. Then you have to factor in childcare, and the fact that there are few public schools in Manhattan where you'd want to send your kids, so you're probably going to pay for that too.



If not, they are close. But the lower cost of living offsets the higher taxes. Plus we pay city taxes in NYC as well. The only problem with NJ is the commute, not helped by dipshit Christie's decision to scuttle the ARC tunnel.
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City taxes are pretty high, just under state taxes.

If you own though, property taxes in Manhattan are much lower than in NJ, mostly because the condo co-op taxes are far lower. Unless you want a freestanding house, it's cheaper to live in brooklyn than it is NJ generally, and you don't even have to give up that much square footage. If you are willing to go to Bay ridge, kensington, Bensonhurst or some of those other neighborhoods you can actually buy a place for a reasonable sum.
 
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Chumly

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Dude Abides said:
What B-Dubs said. My wife and I make around 250k combined. If we had kids we'd have to move to a place that would be at least $4000k in month. Then you have to factor in childcare, and the fact that there are few public schools in Manhattan where you'd want to send your kids, so you're probably going to pay for that too.



If not, they are close. But the lower cost of living offsets the higher taxes. Plus we pay city taxes in NYC as well. The only problem with NJ is the commute, not helped by dipshit Christie's decision to scuttle the ARC tunnel.
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People living modestly can't afford to send their kids to private school. Making 250k is still more than like 85 percent of manhattan. Sounds like you have a distorted view of living in modesty.
 
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markatisu

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LegendofJoe said:
I just read an article on Slate about Ryan making an early exit during a meeting with key Bush admin. economic policy advisors prior to the financial meltdown and proceeding to sell shares to invest in Goldman. I can't wait to see the attack ad from the democrats if the claim is true.
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I am pretty sure its 100% true, it was just not illegal then. the DNC has already put up some FB ads this morning about it and I am sure an attack ad is coming
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Measley said:
Ditto for my wife and I. We're both teachers in Ohio making around 110k combined. Cost of living is a bit better here, so we're living very well. Still, if $250k is considered moderate living by the conservative business class, then we must be the working poor. I know married couples who make $50k a year combined income. They must be in poverty
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I'm married with 3 kids and live on less than $40000 a year.

I must be wretchedly poor.
 
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CharlieDigital

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AlteredBeast said:
Yet NJ is constantly treated as backwater or dirty in the media and in entertainment, what gives?
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Wilsongt said:
Jersey Shore.
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This and because when you compare NJ to any of the Western states, everything seems "old".

I've traveled a lot for business and it's pretty consistent that as you head out West, you'll find newer towns, newer houses, newer infrastructure, basically newer everything.

NJ also has some fairly rough areas, but on average, we have one of the highest rates of income, a good balance between proximity to major metro areas and the space for families, and pretty good infrastructure.

NJ also has some fairly industrial areas and it's unfortunate that it's pretty much the first thing you see when you touch down in Newark Liberty International...
 
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RDreamer

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Plinko said:
I'm married with 3 kids and live on less than $40000 a year.

I must be wretchedly poor.
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Wow, I don't know how you do it! I'm married and we get in about $45k per year. We aren't going to have kids till I make more than my current $22k, though that's partially because my wife wants to stay home with any kids we have. Even without that little caveat it'd be tough to raise kids on this. It'd be doable, though, but tough. Without my student loans, though, it'd probably be pretty easy to afford kids, though.
 
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Phoenician_Viking

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Can the democrats get both houses of parliament after Paul´s announcement?

Because even if/when Obama wins the presidency, the GOP would still block his decisions like they did before in the Senate and the House and he would not achieve anything.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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Phoenician_Viking said:
Can the democrats get both houses of parliament after Paul´s announcement?

Because even if/when Obama wins the presidency, the GOP would still block his decisions like they did before in the Senate and the House and he would not achieve anything.
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Doubt they can take the House. Just hope they can keep the Senate and White House.
 
Dude Abides

Dude Abides

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Chumly said:
People living modestly can't afford to send their kids to private school. Making 250k is still more than like 85 percent of manhattan. Sounds like you have a distorted view of living in modesty.
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People make tradeoffs depending on the opportunities available. Where public schools are awful, you might send your kid to private school and sacrifice living space. Your statement is akin to "you can't be poor and have cable."
 
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Chumly

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Dude Abides said:
People make tradeoffs depending on the opportunities available. Where public schools are awful, you might send your kid to private school and sacrifice living space. Your statement is akin to "you can't be poor and have cable."
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Then don't whine about living modestly because you clearly aren't. What do you think public schools are like for the rest of the country? What about the other 85 percent of manhattan? What are they living like?
 
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TacticalFox88

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This is why I'm glad the Military pays you more, the more dependents you have. There's no way in hell I'd be able to take care of them with just base pay.
 
Dude Abides

Dude Abides

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Chumly said:
Then don't whine about living modestly because you clearly aren't. What do you think public schools are like for the rest of the country? What about the other 85 percent of manhattan? What are they living like?
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I never said I was living modestly, much less whined about it, kiddo. I said I would move if I had kids. Perform your Bob Cratchit routine for someone who gives a shit.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
PoliGAF is one big DNC linkdump, I am afraid. Wondering how entertaining the election actually will be if all we get 24/7 is how evil Romney/Ryan are for the next 3 months.
 
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RDreamer

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TacticalFox88 said:
It's funny how some the guys on base don't realize this and complain about Obama's supposedly being socialist...and not realizing they're arguably THE biggest examples of socialism in the US
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In the US? Wouldn't the US Military Industrial Complex pretty much qualify for the biggest socialist program in the world?
 
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eznark

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Measley said:
Ditto for my wife and I. We're both teachers in Ohio making around 110k combined. Cost of living is a bit better here, so we're living very well. Still, if $250k is considered moderate living by the conservative business class, then we must be the working poor. I know married couples who make $50k a year combined income. They must be in poverty or something.
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That's just a purposefully dishonest reading of the article. She clearly stated relative to high income neighborhoods.

I just read an article on Slate about Ryan making an early exit during a meeting with key Bush admin. economic policy advisors prior to the financial meltdown and proceeding to sell shares to invest in Goldman. I can't wait to see the attack ad from the democrats if the claim is true.
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The story seems sensational enough without added bullshit that makes it sound phony.
 
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eznark

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AlteredBeast said:
PoliGAF is one big DNC linkdump, I am afraid. Wondering how entertaining the election actually will be if all we get 24/7 is how evil Romney/Ryan are for the next 3 months.
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It's a fantastic look at what is generally the mirror opposite of everyone else I am around. This past weekend has essentially been a joyous celebration of friends and relatives frantically calling each other to say how pumped they are that Romney finally added someone they can love to the ticket. In Wisconsin at least this has really fired up the GOP.

Like I said when it happened, the Paul Ryan nomination is the first truly bi-partisan thing to come out of Washington in decades. Everyone loves it!
 
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Frank the Great

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my parents raised me and my brother in NJ on about 50-60k a year. we did not live extravagantly but we were always comfortable in terms of the basics and necessities.

250k boggles my mind.
 
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