I wouldn't be surprised by this, considering all the GOP victories there in the past (and the current leads in the congressional race). I'm more surprised that Obama was still in the lead there, all things considered.
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I wouldn't be surprised by this, considering all the GOP victories there in the past (and the current leads in the congressional race). I'm more surprised that Obama was still in the lead there, all things considered.
cartoon_soldier
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No, but you do get to pay more taxes if Romney wins.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
but you will keep your job. Job creators can afford to keep you around if they don't have to lose portions of their stacks of gold coins.
I noticed you saw the WI poll. Your response was surprisingly measured. For you, at least.
Sorry. Your ready defeatism warrants needling.
ErasureAcer
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Bought time we extract Wisconsin and let Lakes Superior and Michigan fill up that space. We can connect Wisconsin to the gulf states or something.
cartoon_soldier
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Nah, it will be outsourced to India. Which is fine, I can just go back to India and work!
Romney opposes net neutrality. I didn't know this.
cartoon_soldier
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Depends on the lead in the poll. Romney + 1-2 doesn't worry me much. Romney +4-5 is worrying.
TacticalFox88
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He'll support it next week.
PhoenixDark
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I support this; anything to get the Packers out of the NFC north
I just assumed it. Telecoms fucking over their consumers? Of course he supports it.
I suppose I would assume that's where he stands, but actually knowing it makes me even more worried. Is there really anything this dude won't try to fuck up if he gets into power?
thezerofire
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I'm a little late on the "Legitimate Rape" discussion, but it's not just Akin who's said that. It's been a thing with Republicans for a while:
Senator Chuck Winder, R- Idaho, 2012
Dr. Richard Dobbins, 20-year GOP contributor, 2006
Rep. Henry Aldridge, R- North Carolina, 1995
Delaware state Rep. Stephen Freind, R-Delaware County, 1988
PPP? Pfft. Biased pollster. It's within the MoE; Obama will win by 12!
PhoenixDark
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Yup, pretty clear this is a way to oppose all abortions by de-legitimizing the idea that yes, a woman can be impregnated during rape; ever heard of the Moors? If you can create doubt about the victims, it's easier to justify ethical and political stances against abortion. Notice, Romney/Ryan put out a statement saying abortion in the case of rape should be legal; being opposed to it remains a controversial, losing argument. But this whole thing has exposed a long standing far right battle on this issue.
Akin's sin isn't that he believes this nonsense, at least in the eyes of many on the right - it's that he said it out loud.
Akin's sin isn't that he believes this nonsense, at least in the eyes of many on the right - it's that he said it out loud.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
According to polling expert, Dick Morris, if an incumbent is only leading by 1 or 2, they will lose by 6+.
Coward!
What does the PPP poll say about Tommy/Tammy? If Romney took the lead, Thompson must be up 10.
Mittens taking the lead in WI is just bad news for the state and I'd think a lot of the midwest in general.
Well, sure. He's a tool.
Aaron Strife
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Oh what, did rasmussen start being a good pollster or something? Sorry I don't believe Wisconsin and Florida's Senate contests have had 20 point swings in the last month.
Romney leading WI is a bit frightening. Hopefully it encourages OFA to get off their ass and start campaigning there.
I'm thinking the latest events might move them to Missouri? I mean, Wisconsin has been a bloodbath for the Dems the last three years, is that something they are really going to want to throw money at when there is fresh meat in Missouri?
Say what you want about Thompson, but he is certainly not some political newb prone to idiotic statements. It's going to be tough for someone as far left as Baldwin to beat a relative centrist like Thompson in today's Wisconsin.
Aaron Strife
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I get the feeling Missouri would be tougher territory for Democrats than Wisconsin has, in spite of whatever's going on there now. In light of the Akin comments though, I could see them going for it it to salvage McCaskill's campaign if nothing else.
As for Thompson vs. Baldwin, I never said it'd be easy but every respectable polling outfit (i.e. not Rasmussen) has it close or tied. We'll see what PPP has to say I guess, but it's certainly not the landslide you've been projecting, though don't get me wrong, that could easily change too. Just like Romney's lead over Obama.
Crossroads is pulling out of Missouri -
Stay in the race! Come on, we need a true conservative warrior!
Obama doing the press briefing today at the White House right now if anyone is interested.
http://www.nbcnews.com/
Edit: Well, it just ended as I posted it.
http://www.nbcnews.com/
Edit: Well, it just ended as I posted it.
Let's see what the first Marquette Poll says before claiming it won't be a landslide. If Romney really is winning even you have to admit it will be a slaughter for Baldwin.
In 2008 Ryan's district went for Obama, in 2010 he took 70% of the vote. If this PPP poll leak is legit, the dems aren't going to spend nearly enough in Wisconsin on that senate seat.
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Aaron Strife
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Not necessarily. If the Senate and Presidential results track closely together, Baldwin could just lose by whatever margin Obama does.
I think it's funny how no one's discussing this:
Hmm, it's almost like Romney's VP choice is giving him a sort of... bounce in the polling.PPP said:
You don't get to play this game.Diablos said:
Yes, if this PPP leak from the PPP twitter account is legit...
we already established you can't trust those teh biazed clowns.
Thompson is going to beat Romney in the state by 5. Rack it.
Sort of? No, it did. Rape is rape and a bounce is a bounce.
I just did (I was kind of ripping on you <3)!
Sort of? No, it did. Rape is rape and a bounce is a bounce.
I just did (I was kind of ripping on you <3)!
Unless you make beloved Hollywood films.
Aaron Strife
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Guess Obama just needs to win by 5.1 then.
I guess I rip on you plenty so it's all good.Diablos said:
Which is why I said if Romney wins it's an easy win for Tommy. Keep up!
WI is really tighetning up and I almost expect it to stay that way, but I'm hoping time will tell me otherwise.
Rarely does a VP pick add that kind of momentum to the ticket long term; Palin did briefly, but that faded once everyone saw how dumb she was. Ryan is much smarter than that.
Looks like Paul Ryan wasn't such an awful choice after all. Even if it only gives Mitt a boost in WI, in a tight election that could make most if not all the difference. I bet Portman wouldn't have done shit, and Rubio is not exactly popular with the folks they would have picked him for to balance out the ticket.
Rarely does a VP pick add that kind of momentum to the ticket long term; Palin did briefly, but that faded once everyone saw how dumb she was. Ryan is much smarter than that.
Looks like Paul Ryan wasn't such an awful choice after all. Even if it only gives Mitt a boost in WI, in a tight election that could make most if not all the difference. I bet Portman wouldn't have done shit, and Rubio is not exactly popular with the folks they would have picked him for to balance out the ticket.
Just what Romney needed, Wisconsin!
Aaron Strife
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Yeah but saying Romney will win is a pretty presumptuous statement in itself.
For what it's worth, neither campaign is spending in WI.
Supposedly Hovde is going to dump a ton of money into one of the active PAC's in order to show he is a team player and get party support to take over Thompson's seat in 2016. If he puts $4-5 million it would really prime the pump there. It'll be interesting to see. The last big spender who failed miserably in his Wisconsin attempt was Russ Darrow and he bitterly withdrew from politics completely. It doesn't look like Hovde will do the same.
Let the spin begin! Wisconsin? Big deal!
Let the spin begin! Wisconsin? Big deal!
I know, right? We'll just act like the electoral math is somehow owned by Obama and reality can't take that away from him.
But if the lead in WI is maintained then it tells me Walker, as much as I hate him, has done an incredible job of setting a new trend in the state that breaks for the GOP when it's time to vote.
Gotta hand it to the GOP there. I hope the other states maintain the electoral status quo thus allowing Obama to make it up elsewhere. Don't forget about bullshit voter ID laws trolling the electorate. Does it matter, generally speaking? Maybe not. But in close races, sure.
adamsappel
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It's funny that Biden being Biden and forcing Obama's hand early on gay marriage was ultimately a good thing. I think Obama might have irrevocably pissed off the left if he'd waited this long, plus not given socially-conservative Democratic groups enough time to adjust.
Is this Whoopi? What films has she made that are beloved? Sister Act? Theodore Rex? The Color Purple was almost 30 years ago!
Reference courtesy Roman Polanski via Whoopi Goldberg
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
People are able to forgive almost anything that anybody does, as long as that person is in a position of fame or power. It is sick, but how many spouse abusers are given a free pass because they are famous?
Aaron Strife
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Burn, baby, burn!Aaron Blake said:
I don't think Akin will give it up simply because he already gave up a safe House seat to do this.
So assuming MO is a keep and NE and ME cancel each other out, Republicans would need a clean sweep in Montana, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Virginia and/or Florida (all toss-ups at worst) while holding MA, NV, and IN (again, toss-ups) to win the Senate.
If you ever wondered why I'm so bullish about Democrats holding onto the Senate, there you go.
ErasureAcer
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My impression from Twin City news is the people of Wisconsin are desperate to be in the limelight and will do whatever it takes to take center stage...including voting Romney/Ryan or Thompson into office. They're so average that they're willing to sell their souls like the latest mass gunman in the nation for their 30 seconds of fame. I saw this around recall time and after Ryan was picked.
It really turned the attention away from Biden's gaffe and any Medicare discussion. Romney campaign can't be pleased at all.
People have been saying similar things for years now, he just took it too far across the stupid line (apparently just saying there is such a thing as legitimate and illegitimate rape isn't enough to get you on the news and ridiculed, you also have to fail middle school biology).
CharlieDigital
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I imagine that the position that abortion should not be allowed, even in the case of rape, is so indefensible that you really have to do mental gymnastics to convince yourself that it is all logical. Might as well just say "Bible says so" (who gives a fuck if it doesn't) and call it a day instead of trying to justify it otherwise.
Aaron Strife
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Wisconsin and Minnesota do have a long history of voting for opposite parties in the governor's mansion. Maybe that will now be brought to federal elections as well.
Oh wait, Fox News said Minnesota's a toss-up, nvm
If he was half smart (he's not, at all, but...) he'd know that these threats from Rove and Cornyn are empty. If they're stuck with him after the next few days, whenever that deadline is, they'll resume spending money on him. They're not going to just stop trying to win Missouri/the senate.
oof
NullPointer
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Its only legitimate if he can shut the whole thing down.
which means he shouldn't abort his campaign
Aaron Strife
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He did it himself. More like self-castration
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