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See: Colmes, Buchanan
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Giving voice to people that continually make bad arguments is an effective tool in promoting a bias.
See: Colmes, Buchanan
Obama Campaign Confirms Biden Event During RNC In Tampa
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-campaign-confirms-biden-event-during-rnc-in
Hey now, that's not fair to the great city of Boston.
There are a whole lot of racist fucks there as well.
SquiddyCracker
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War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Wouldn't a better move for the Obama campaign be to ensure that as many people as possible see the shit show that will be the RNC?
CharlieDigital
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Add that to the potential tropical storm forming in the Atlantic now and it has all the makings of a giant circus.
Gay MN Dem has rest stop "encounter" with 17y.o., being asked to resign
Trainwreck of bans incoming. Come join in the spectating!
This one has everything!
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Someone probably mentioned about how they were posting from a Chik-fil-A
PhoenixDark
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and racists. Elizabeth Proud Foot never had a chance
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
LOL. Now, now. Scott Brown is an incumbent and is running a good campaign. The DNC's savior would probably win this election 9 times out 10, this one might be the exception.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Actually it looks fairly tame, both sides to the argument are already stated.
What he has going for him:
Openly Gay
Sex was Consensual and Legal Age
Cons:
Public Restroom, not legal.
Kinda Creepy age difference.
No idea what is up with the urinating though, hehe.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
What the what?
How does that work?
Mitt Romney not a Republican confirmed!
We need a drudge siren here stat
NullPointer
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Yeah, OK, WTF?
These guys really need to wake up and smell the shit they're shoveling. This makes no sense.
The Technomancer
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Are we witnessing the implosion of the campaign (and, dare I say it, the party in general) right now?
No. But it would be hilarious if it was
Aaron Strife
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Ouuuuch. That MA poll is terrible.
Baffles my mind how Mass voters can be like "Yeah, we want Democrats to run the Senate" while voting for Brown. Ughhh.
Baffles my mind how Mass voters can be like "Yeah, we want Democrats to run the Senate" while voting for Brown. Ughhh.
Welp they're starting to implode now.
Same way people can despise congress yet vote for their incumbent representative 70-30.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Aaron Strife
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Well hating Congress is a pretty nonpartisan thing, but yeah. This is "Every Republican sucks except ours!"
Yeah, I'd just love to meet these people and ask them what makes Scott Brown so appealing in spite of that.PPP said:
The Librarian
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That's not entirely comparable. It's been a long trend that people dislike Congress as a whole but really like their individual representatives.
That doesn't say anything to which party people want control of Congress.
PhoenixDark
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Brown in the sensible type of republican that can win in MA and other north eastern states (see: Snowe, Collins). I think dems screwed up big time by assuming anyone could defeat him (see: Coakley).
Mike Capuano would have been a more logical choice to get behind imo
CharlieDigital
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They should ask a followup question: "Which of these candidates is a Democrat?"
Would be interesting.
It's the abstract vs. the concrete. People hate congress but love their incumbent. Massachusetts wants (D) generically, but can't stand a sourpuss like Warren.
Aaron Strife
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Redistricting seemed like a perfect opportunity for one of the 10 democrats to take a shot at the Senate race. Instead they were all stuck squabbling over who has to retire, and in the end 2 of them did anyway rendering the whole thing pointless.
I think Warren is a decent candidate but you're right about Brown. He's the faux-moderate snake charmer who wins over liberals who put their political views as moderate or Independent on Facebook to sound less extreme.
Anyway, NBC/WSJ will be out with a poll soon, they teased party favorability numbers - Democrats are actually positive, 42% fav/40% unfav. Republicans are at 36/45.
My district (MN-03) would probably vote for a Democrat in a generic open seat contest (D vs. R, no independent mucking things up like in 08 either), but I'd bet money Erik Paulsen is going to win with 60% of the vote or more this year in spite of his voting record. He's as conservative as Bachmann, he just keeps his mouth shut and incumbency+money trumps any dissatisfaction with Congress.Dax01 said:
She is good on paper but God damn she is poison on the campaign trail (or in any public speaking role, really). She is a wonk's-wonk.
The Librarian
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Your comparison still doesn't fit too well. You would have been better off saying that people still largely vote for their incumbents despite one party leading the generic congressional ballot. And that's true: only a small number seats change parties in comparison to the rest of the House.
PhoenixDark
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Exactly. Politics are local - even staunch conservatives support spending and earmarks that directly benefit their district/neighborhood.
Brown is moderate enough for MA voters to believe he can continue to work with Obama. Warren would probably be defeating him if he remained the tea party advocate he sold himself as to voters in 2010.
Except I don't think this has as much to do with incumbency as I do with people really not liking Warren. They want the Democrats to control the Senate but they want other people to make that happen.
Aaron Strife
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I guess I haven't really heard her speak much, I thought her proto-"you didn't build that" speech was pretty good.
Who knows, maybe the DNC will give her a boost like it did for Obama in 2004.
Everyone saw this coming, which makes it all the more hilarious. Romney is trying to run away from his vice president, now he gets to try to draw the distinction that he's not part of the Republican Party agenda.
Have fun with that Mitt.
The Librarian
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You're trying to twist what you were saying earlier, which had nothing to do with, or didn't imply at all, anything about Warren's favorable/unfavorable margin.
Additionally, this has much to do with incumbency. Brown would be getting trounced, or Warren would be ahead by a decent margin, had Kennedy been retiring this year and this were an open race.
I also think it's jumping the gun a bit to sign off the race after one poll.
It's been pretty consistent bad news for her though. It isn't like this is just one poll it's a continuation of the narrative that she's not really working for the average MA voter -- they don't really buy her.
This is coming from somebody that really likes her and thinks she should get a shot too. Her campaign has just been terrible.
I thought talking about congresses awful approval ratings was enough to cover that?
Maybe she is better. I haven't seen her give a speech in 4 years.
speculawyer
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So Mitt Romney is not a Republican? Is your platform Reince? . . . you are the RNC chief. Well, as Grover pointed out, you just want someone that can sign bills into law as told.
Four_Chamber
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Have to emphasize this. The writing off of Warren in a late August poll is crazy. Its a little too early to pat yourself on the back at this juncture.
The Librarian
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What consistent bad news? The Native American thing? Polling done at that time showed that wasn't affecting anything, and the last poll before this one had Warren up by two points. I'd kind of be worried if she didn't have a speaking slot at the DNC, but as of now, it's just one poll.
Oh, yes. Silly me for not connecting the dots on the approval of an institution somehow translates to the approval rating of individual representatives.
As I originally said: Your comparison was flawed.
no YOURS IS!!!
Also, the polls have her negatives jumping 10 points. That's troubling to say the least.
Aaron Strife
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Obama's up 5 in Virginia, 50-45.
It's cool guys, we're still in this!
It's cool guys, we're still in this!
If Brown wins again he's going to be Presidential material someday.
Really unfortunate for Warren. And while it sounds somewhat sheepish it sucks to see Kennedy's seat filled by this guy.
That Virgil Goode number is the most interesting unimportant news ever. Makes me think back fondly on the days I used to think my candidates poll numbers would actually hold up come election day.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
"Presidential" LOL.
He will have to turn into Romney 2.0, contorting himself in 9 different positions at once to appeal to the unwashed masses of the GOP electorate. Ronald Reagan himself would have been ostracized from today's GOP. Unless the GOP changes to match some level of sanity, no one sane or electable will get the GOP nomination.
Romney makes a power play, directly calls on Akin to drop out.
If he doesn't drop out now, then truly Mitt has no clout, even as nominee, in the party.
If he doesn't drop out now, then truly Mitt has no clout, even as nominee, in the party.
Mitt in his, shall we say, heart of hearts would probably tell you it's pretty easy even if self-deprecating to have turned into Romney 2.0. Brown could do the same thing. Especially if Romney wins. Pavin' the way.
Gotta wonder if Brown being the likely winner in MA will benefit Romney at all at some point?
Gotta wonder if Brown being the likely winner in MA will benefit Romney at all at some point?
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