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demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
ezekial45 said:
I probably should've thought twice about posting the David Cross article. I understand and agree with his general message, but I understand that his language can be off putting for many.

Anyway, is there video of Chris Matthews with this Priebus person?
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Go to mediatakeout.com and search for 'matthews'.
 
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codhand

Member
Kosmo said:
Priebus did not handle that very well, but saying the birth certificate or work requirements for welfare are the "race card" is laughable. Priebus should have just said "Look Chris, I know you're probably irritated that the thrill up your leg is gone and the romance with Obama is gone, but let's talk about substantive issues - this is nonsense."
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You're back, and just in time to defend the "race card", and join the convention fracas. Priebus should have said a lot, unfortunately he was a deer-in-headlights.


And to your "thrill up the leg" remark...
“I hope that you feel satisfied that you've used the most obvious question that is raised by every horse's ass right-winger I ever bump into.” -Tweety
lol

Good to have you back.
 
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Kosmo

Banned
Cyan said:
Almost started replying, then I noticed who it was.

Welcome back!
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Thanks - I now know pointing out blatant hypocrisy of protected GAF classes is a bannable offense.

Looking forward to seeing how this election plays out. The Obama campaign is already at the "...yeah, but Republicans are racists..." talking point. Where are they going to go by October. They already used up the "Mitt killed a woman with cancer" card. Fun times ahead.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Priebus was all "bu but, nobody is trying to portray Obama as a foreigner", then in the very next breadth talked about Obama's European socialist policies. Ooops, lol.
 
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DynamicG

Member
Kosmo said:
Thanks - I now know pointing out blatant hypocrisy of protected GAF classes is a bannable offense.

Looking forward to seeing how this election plays out. The Obama campaign is already at the "...yeah, but Republicans are racists..." talking point. Where are they going to go by October. They already used up the "Mitt killed a woman with cancer" card. Fun times ahead.
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It's etch a sketch week Kosmo! You know anything can happen!
 
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Chumly

Member
Kosmo said:
Thanks - I now know pointing out blatant hypocrisy of protected GAF classes is a bannable offense.

Looking forward to seeing how this election plays out. The Obama campaign is already at the "...yeah, but Republicans are racists..." talking point. Where are they going to go by October. They already used up the "Mitt killed a woman with cancer" card. Fun times ahead.
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Welcome back!


That GAF privileged class....
 
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Kosmo

Banned
VanMardigan said:
Priebus was all "bu but, nobody is trying to portray Obama as a foreigner", then in the very next breadth talked about Obama's European socialist policies. Ooops, lol.
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Right, and then Mathews jumps in with "So someone who follows Keynesian fiscal policy is following..." and Priebus was unfortunately not quick enough to say "exactly, European fiscal policy, as outlines by Keynes, who was from Britain."
 
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RDreamer

Member
Kosmo said:
Priebus did not handle that very well, but saying the birth certificate or work requirements for welfare are the "race card" is laughable. Priebus should have just said "Look Chris, I know you're probably irritated that the thrill up your leg is gone and the romance with Obama is gone, but let's talk about substantive issues - this is nonsense."

I love how Mathews had to stop himself when he said "You're telling me a Keynsian fiscal policy is somehow..." before he quickly changed course because he probably remembered that Keynes actually was European.
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lol, except the problem with this is that Romney is the one bringing up nonsense, and Matthews was calling him on that.

I really hate this Republican defense. They bring up all this stupid shit and then boo hoo about how we're not talking about substantive issues. And by "substantive issues" they just mean exactly whatever they want to talk about... or they mean "Hey look over there! Nothing to see here!"
 
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codhand

Member
How is that voodoo economics workin out for the Europeans anyway? It worked so well for us.

demon said:
I just went to the link in the picture at the top of the page (if you're at 100ppp). Never even heard of the site. Sorry :(
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You're free to, it's just, can't say it'll raise your IQ any.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Kosmo said:
Right, and then Mathews jumps in with "So someone who follows Keynesian fiscal policy is following..." and Priebus was unfortunately not quick enough to say "exactly, European fiscal policy, as outlines by Keynes, who was from Britain."
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I'm new to politics, do we accuse all democratic presidents of being European socialists? How about birth certificates, is that something that is fiercely fought over every election cycle? Was Clinton's American"ness" constantly questioned?

It seems like Matthews is right and the Republicans are constantly trying to send out signals about Obama being a foreigner, but maybe you can point that out for other Presidents and its just politics as usual.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
eBay Huckster said:
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing whether Obama gets re-elected with 332 EVs or 347, too.
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Nate Silver seems to think 347 is more likely.

It's gonna be fun on election night when it's called for Obama before bedtime. It'll be "deadlocked" right up until the votes are counted.

VanMardigan said:
I'm new to politics, do we accuse all democratic presidents of being European socialists? How about birth certificates, is that something that is fiercely fought over every election cycle? Was Clinton's American"ness" constantly questioned?

It seems like Matthews is right and the Republicans are constantly trying to send out signals about Obama being a foreigner, but maybe you can point that out for other Presidents and its just politics as usual.
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In all fairness, every Democrat is accused of being a socialist. Obama being black just makes it easier to drum up hatred for him among stupid people.
 
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polyh3dron

Banned
Kosmo said:
They already used up the "Mitt killed a woman with cancer" card. Fun times ahead.
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That wasn't the Obama campaign, that was a SuperPAC. Mitt himself said he had no control over what SuperPACs said in there ads and shouldn't be held accountable for them, he is just a fucking hypocrite is all.

Hell, the SuperPAC video you're referring to was never even aired on TV, it was an online only thing.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
Well, I didn't know BET did polls, but here's one:

BET said:
ON THE GOP: Gov. Mitt Romney is currently positioned to garner an historic low rate of support among African-American voters. Only two percent of African-American voters in our poll currently support the Romney/Ryan ticket. The data indicate the traits that are pushing African-Americans away from the GOP, including the perception that too many Republican leaders seem "hostile to minorities." Even where significant percentages of black voters are philosophically in line with traditional Republican Party positions on issues such as same-sex marriage (40% favor/38% oppose), a decline in moral values as biggest obstacle to black advancement (46%), and abortion (51% pro-choice/44% pro-life), these views overwhelmingly do not translate into GOP votes.

ENTHUSIASM VS. APATHY: Despite conventional wisdom, black voters are on track to vote in numbers equivalent to 2008. Only 4% say they are less interested in voting in the upcoming election than they were in 2008. 85% say they are following the election closely.

HOPE AMIDST DESPAIR: African-American voters are surprisingly optimistic, despite an unemployment rate double that of whites, 69% are optimistic about the economy rebounding in the next 12 months. 77% say the US economy is stabilizing or improving.

"IT'S THE COST OF LIVING, STUPID:" The top concern about the economy for black voters is not jobs (21%), but rather salary and wages not keeping pace with the cost of living (38%) and affordable health care (24%).

A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS: Though a number of prominent African-Americans have called on the President to more explicitly target programs to address black unemployment, the overwhelming majority of black voters accept that he must focus on repairing the national economy and in that way help black Americans (76% vs 14%).
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Surveyed across Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin.

2% of the black vote. Wowzers. Hey guys, which comment do you think was worse, Biden saying Wall Street will put us in chains or Romney boasting about his white privilege by not having to reveal his birth certificate?
 
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demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Kinda hard to take the Romney camp seriously when they say they reject the birther movement after inviting the biggest, classiest birther there is to speak at the convention...
 
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Guevara

Member
So Romney's clarifying his views on abortion in an interview today. Interesting that he doesn't align with this party platform or his VP's stated position.

TAMPA, Fla. — Republican Mitt Romney says he is in favor of abortion in cases of rape, incest and the health and life of the mother.

The presidential candidate’s addition of the health of the mother is certain to raise questions about Romney’s position among conservatives. Health can be broadly defined and, in fact, running mate Paul Ryan has challenged the health exception as a major loophole.

Romney commented in an interview Monday with CBS News. The network released Romney’s comments before its evening broadcast.

Romney’s position on abortion rights has evolved.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/romney-says-abortion-should-be-legal-for-rape-incest-and-health-and-life-of-the-mother/2012/08/27/5d232a2c-f091-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story.html
 
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FLEABttn

Banned
Kosmo said:
Right, and then Mathews jumps in with "So someone who follows Keynesian fiscal policy is following..." and Priebus was unfortunately not quick enough to say "exactly, European fiscal policy, as outlines by Keynes, who was from Britain."
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Is this real?
 
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David Incorporated Esq.

Member
Kosmo said:
Right, and then Mathews jumps in with "So someone who follows Keynesian fiscal policy is following..." and Priebus was unfortunately not quick enough to say "exactly, European fiscal policy, as outlines by Keynes, who was from Britain."
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Do you mean this as a snappy, joke come-back or do you mean it as an actual counterpoint? Because one of those is funny and one is childish.
 
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TacticalFox88

Banned
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Kosmo

Banned
VanMardigan said:
It seems like Matthews is right and the Republicans are constantly trying to send out signals about Obama being a foreigner, but maybe you can point that out for other Presidents and its just politics as usual.
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I think it's more blunt than that. The electorate is, for the most part, not that bright. They are not going to be swayed by some nuanced argument that Obama grew up in Indonesia, and therefore is not American enough to be President. What the Romney campaign is effectively saying about Obama is this:

  • He believes in European style socialized medicine
  • He believes in European style (aka Keynesian) economic policy
  • Governments in Europe are going broke because of the above two policies
  • Following that path will (further) bankrupt the US, so why would you re-elect Obama
It's not some play on xenophobia in the sense of framing Obama as a foreigner.
 
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TacticalFox88

Banned
Kosmo said:
I think it's more blunt than that. The electorate is, for the most part, not that bright. They are not going to be swayed by some nuanced argument that Obama grew up in Indonesia, and therefore is not American enough to be President. What the Romney campaign is effectively saying about Obama is this:

  • He believes in European style socialized medicine
  • He believes in European style (aka Keynesian) economic policy
  • Governments in Europe are going broke because of the above two policies
  • Following that path will (further) bankrupt the US, so why would you re-elect Obama
It's not some play on xenophobia in the sense of framing Obama as a foreigner.
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You really do believe that don't you?
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Romney's going to pretend that his alleged different position actually matters. As if he won't be completely beholden to the party that widely embraces the most extreme views on abortion. But he'll run interference and muddy the waters about what his presidency would actually back.
 
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Guevara

Member
Kosmo said:
I think it's more blunt than that. The electorate is, for the most part, not that bright. They are not going to be swayed by some nuanced argument that Obama grew up in Indonesia, and therefore is not American enough to be President. What the Romney campaign is effectively saying about Obama is this:

  • He believes in European style socialized medicine
  • He believes in European style (aka Keynesian) economic policy
  • Governments in Europe are going broke because of the above two policies
  • Following that path will (further) bankrupt the US, so why would you re-elect Obama
It's not some play on xenophobia in the sense of framing Obama as a foreigner.
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ha ha ha they're trying to label him "European", that's the ticket. That's why he's a Kenyan Socialist Muslim. Because he's so damn European.
 
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Snake

Member
Kosmo said:
Right, and then Mathews jumps in with "So someone who follows Keynesian fiscal policy is following..." and Priebus was unfortunately not quick enough to say "exactly, European fiscal policy, as outlines by Keynes, who was from Britain."
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Whoa, he sure could have owned Matthews with that one.

But Preibus could have gone deeper on Obama's foreign policies and attacked them closer to their roots. I hear Obama is in favor of these things called Capitalism and free markets, and I seem to recall these Europeans like Adam Smith being really influential in that sort of classical economic philosophy. Even spearheaded ideas like the "invisible hand of the market" that conservatives probably wouldn't like because it is so Europeany. Totally could've schooled Matthews even more.

It's not like conservatives would base their policies on things like supply-side economics, because so much of that owes itself to things like the Austrian school. Then again, guys like Milton Friedman, Arthur Laffer, and Ronald Reagan were so very influenced by noted-American Friedrich von Hayek and others like him that maybe it all works out.
 
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DynamicG

Member
CHEEZMO™;41470876 said:
"Obama's a Coloured!!"

So yeah, it is more blunt.

Edit: why the fuck am I replying to Kosmo? That has to be one of the most dishonest posts I've seen him make and that's saying something.
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He was banned for a while and maybe he just needs to get it all out of his system. Like when you kennel your dog all day and he can't wait to bust out and pee all over things.
 
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Jackson50

Member
Kosmo said:
Priebus did not handle that very well, but saying the birth certificate or work requirements for welfare are the "race card" is laughable. Priebus should have just said "Look Chris, I know you're probably irritated that the thrill up your leg is gone and the romance with Obama is gone, but let's talk about substantive issues - this is nonsense."

I love how Mathews had to stop himself when he said "You're telling me a Keynsian fiscal policy is somehow..." before he quickly changed course because he probably remembered that Keynes actually was European.
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Noting the racial undertones of the welfare attack is not laughable. And he's going to disparage the UK? Nooooo. He's going to heal our alliances.

What's laughable is a Republican seeking a substantive debate. Your side should persist with the empty aspersions. Sure, they may approach patent bigotry. But at least they conceal their crashingly frivolous platform.
 
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tranciful

Member
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Kosmo said:
I think it's more blunt than that. The electorate is, for the most part, not that bright. They are not going to be swayed by some nuanced argument that Obama grew up in Indonesia, and therefore is not American enough to be President. What the Romney campaign is effectively saying about Obama is this:


  • [*]He believes in European style socialized medicine
    [*]He believes in European style (aka Keynesian) economic policy
    [*]Governments in Europe are going broke because of the above two policies
  • Following that path will (further) bankrupt the US, so why would you re-elect Obama
It's not some play on xenophobia in the sense of framing Obama as a foreigner.
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I see your absence was used to further your impressive intellectual and factual development. What about our economy collapsing under what you'd consider opposite conditions?


Holy shit.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
Stinkles said:
I see your absence was used to further your impressive intellectual and factual development. What about our economy collapsing under what you'd consider opposite conditions?


Holy shit.
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To be fair, it's not obvious that Kosmo actually believes that, but he's saying that's what the Romney campaign might be trying to intimate.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Tamanon said:
To be fair, it's not obvious that Kosmo actually believes that, but he's saying that's what the Romney campaign might be trying to intimate.
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Fair point. I was basing it on Kosmo's amazing history. If that's what you meant Kosmo, unreserved apology.
 
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