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He wouldn't have to. First class passengers got dibs before steerage women and children. A loophole, if you will.
PhoenixDark
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Check the internals of the Quinnipiac polls. Romney is leading/tied with older voters on Medicare
ErasureAcer
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GOP wants to suppress the urban vote and now they want to suppress their own delegates from voting.
In other news. The 2 Republican backed constitutional amendments(voter ID, limiting marriage between a man and a woman) in Minnesota will go forward with the titles written by the conservative legislature and not the Democratic Secretary of State who should have authority dating back to some early 20th century law but the MN Supreme Court didn't see it that way.
In other news. The 2 Republican backed constitutional amendments(voter ID, limiting marriage between a man and a woman) in Minnesota will go forward with the titles written by the conservative legislature and not the Democratic Secretary of State who should have authority dating back to some early 20th century law but the MN Supreme Court didn't see it that way.
Mattock needs to investigate this shit.
PantherLotus
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oh kosmo is back yay
Aaron Strife
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The article said Obama was leading with all voters on Medicare, which is completely correct.
Of course Romney's leading with seniors on Medicare, he's not the scary black guy. The point is to narrow that gap. Even in 2006 Democrats just tied with Republicans with seniors.
At least in Florida I think the Crist gap will help cut through the bullshit and give Obama some credibility on the issue. He's still a popular name there, across party lines.
They always seem to be on a break when the good stuff comes out.
Though perhaps if I take a step back and really examine the situation, the good stuff is actually coming out all the time.
I think they're running the show Tuesday to Friday this week, because of the convention.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Thank you!
electricpirate
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You are giving the argument too much credit, it's far baser, and less about trying to install a nuanced point, and more about trying to make the president into "other." Into something that you shouldn't vote for because he's not american in his beliefs.
It's not dissamilar to the attacks on patriotism that marked the run up to the iraq war.
As for social policies, man, I'd love to have a debate on those things, too bad we won't, as I think many people would be pretty shocked by how much cheaper the European healthcare systems are etc.
Also, LOL at the idea that since keynes was british his policies are somehow "European." Adam smith was scottish, does that mean that the Tea partiers are somehow European since they love him? Does that mean all the paulites are austrian socialists because they have a hard on for Hayek?
PantherLotus
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I applaud the effort to start a rational discussion with kosmo.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Now with Kosmo back my views go back to being rational again. lol
PantherLotus
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appearing rational. There's hope for you yet. I never actually heard a distinct voice in your posts before your recent rebirth. It's refreshing.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Oh it's always been there. (I think NASA is one that's been the most clear for a long time) but you have to work through the chaff, not to say all is practicing my trade or something I don't care about, but a little mystery is good in life.
Like I've always said besides interning the Japanese, Scoop Jackon wiki explains a lot about me and John Testor.
empty vessel
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Until about 1980.
el retorno
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Did regan really refute keynes? Have we in the US really ever cut spending in the aggregate?
CharlieDigital
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He did in the sense that he enacted some pretty dramatic cuts in taxes.
Top bracket went from 70% in 1980 to 28% in 1988.
Wow, so that once again compounds the fact that Obama's the dumbest socialist ever.
el retorno
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Damn never knew it was that drastic. No wonder he's so deified by the rich.
But aren't tax cuts still Keynesian?
I don't think that much in tax cuts (especially to just the wealthy, who, when they get excess money, just store more of it in their off shore banks) is really Keynesian, but I could be wrong.
I'm pretty sure tax cuts in general are considere Keynesian, but what makes it different than Reaganomics/supply side econ./trickle down/etc. is that the latter focuses ONLY on tax cuts, and ONLY on those for the top end.
el retorno
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Its government spending, and it was in a recession.
Aaron Strife
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Keynes argued for tax cuts and spending increases during recessions. Reagan did both, though it was targeted explicitly to benefit the rich.
Well then I suppose, the part that was supposed to happen, but didn't, was to re-raise them when the 90s hit (doesn't Keynesian call for belt-tightening and cutting spending when we have a surplus?)
empty vessel
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I'm not sure what you mean by "refute"? Bad choice of words? Reagan was an actor, so, no, he certainly never refuted Keynes. Reagan did spend a lot, but Keynesian economics isn't just about spending. It's about the government's minimizing the peaks and troughs of the business cycle by managing aggregate demand. Neoliberalism, which fundamentally rejects government intervention into the economy and especially the use of fiscal policy to manage demand, has been the order of the day for the last thirty years. Supply side economics abandons concern about unemployment and economic efficiency and focuses on minimizing inflation (albeit misunderstood by most everybody) to the exclusion of everything else. (Inflation harms creditors--wealthy people.)
Virtually the entirety of Europe is currently imposing austerity (reducing aggregate demand) while in a recession, against the most basic Keynesian understanding of macroeconomics. We in the US are lucky we got a stimulus (which was Keynesian), but we're about to get bipartisan austerity. Thanks, neoliberalism!
See: http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=19990
"The Medicare HI Trust Fund faces depletion earlier than the combined Social Security Trust Funds, though not as soon as the Disability Insurance Trust Fund when separately considered.... The Trustees project that Medicare costs (including both HI and SMI expenditures) will grow substantially from approximately 3.7 percent of GDP in 2011 to 5.7 percent of GDP by 2035, and will increase gradually thereafter to about 6.7 percent of GDP by 2086. ... The fund also continues to fail the long-range test of close actuarial balance. The Trustees project that the HI Trust Fund will pay out more in hospital benefits and other expenditures than it receives in income in all future years, as it has since 2008. The projected date of HI Trust Fund exhaustion is 2024, the same date projected in last year's report, at which time dedicated revenues would be sufficient to pay 87 percent of HI costs. ..."
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/index.html
But here's the important point:
“Part B of Supplemental Medical Insurance (SMI), which pays for doctors’ bills and other outpatient expenses, and Part D, which pays for access to prescription drug coverage, are both projected to remain adequately financed into the indefinite future because current law automatically provides financing each year to meet the next year’s expected costs.”
In other words, the law is such that the government will pay all costs notwithstanding whether the payroll tax covers all costs (as it, of course, always can afford to do, being the issuer and disseminator of all money). This is the difference between Medicare and Social Security. To fix Social Security, we don't need to raise the payroll tax cap or lessen benefits. We just have to pass a law instructing the government to pay the level of benefits we deem appropriate.
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/...that-would-save-social-security-and-more.html
Jesus. Even when Obama is doing the right thing, it's still not enough for some people.
Obama declares emergency in Louisiana
Obama declares emergency in Louisiana
This was a good question, because I got to learn a few things.
It may have improved slightly since then.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/T...l-taxes-cover-about-a-third-of-Medicare-costs
I would imagine that exploding HC costs of the past decade and the addition of Part D (2003?) has greatly shifted the balance.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/the-fork-in-the-road-for-health-care/?hp
el retorno
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He complains about the federal government spending too much but he needs to now promise the funds to pay for everthing in advance. I think he should talk to his fellow republicans who of the mind the federal government shouldn't spend money on relief unless its cut elsewhere.
Aaron Strife
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Jindal's such a fucking dickhead. Almost anytime he's in the news it makes me seethe with anger because he's just toying with peoples' lives to make a political statement, as if he still has any future in the GOP.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/16/320955/jindal-disaster-relief-offsets/?mobile=wp
He took a similar position lol
el retorno
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Its disgusting that anybody talks about emergency spending as something to offset.
We don't have the money to save our citizens but we do for rich people tax cuts.
PhoenixDark
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Utterly pathetic. I'd imagine Scott will do the same if Florida is in danger of getting hit hard. And best believe any response, no matter how swift or effective, will be criticized and labeled "controversial"
speculawyer
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Apparently this Bobby Jindahl guy is a big-government over-spending nanny-state proponent.
Preventative measures? That sounds liberal. They need to just lie down and enjoy god's gift to them.
We were asking for it with Southern Decadence this coming weekend. This is a legitimate storm, so it should just fizzle out if we repent.
I think this is the first election cycle in my adult life where I'm going to just tune out of the conventions. The noise is turned up to 11 already, and I got enough of it a couple months ago. This week is hell week at work, then it's PAX, then another hell week. I'll look up in a couple weeks and see how things are after the bounces are over.
makingmusic476
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"I refuse to accept your offered Medicaid funds, yet I will complain verily about not receiving all my requested hurricane relief funds. Further, I shall fart in your general direction, you dirty English pigdogs."
Ha. Smart move.
Really they can kind of count on voter ID as a hail mary while they don't repeat McCain's mistake of dumping everything into PA.
They're wise to spend money in VA, OH, WI, etc. PA is a lost cause but for Voter ID trolling.
As the EV map I posted earlier shows, NC looks to be leaning Dem. It would be pretty epic if the state goes for Obama, negating a loss of WI plus an additional 5 EV.
Hey all you Matthews hating libruls, I got one word for ya: suck it!
http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/...p-chair-you-are-playing-that-ethnic-card?lite
edit: yes, I realize I've been beaten by nearly a whole day, but still, this is worth re-posting. Deal with it, babbys! >:O
http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/...p-chair-you-are-playing-that-ethnic-card?lite
edit: yes, I realize I've been beaten by nearly a whole day, but still, this is worth re-posting. Deal with it, babbys! >:O
I love watching Republicans beg for bigger government. Jindal wants Obama to fire up the printing press, for once we agree. Well twice; we both agree Tampa is a waste of time.
Here's a random clip of actor Ronald Reagan stopping a criminal (James Dean) from robbing him. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqNDWEwP92o
I can't understand why Chris Christie can't lose weight. I get it when a salesman who is working 60 hours on the road and has a family can't do it, but when you are an executive making 6 figures a year with a lot of resources at your disposal .. you should at least be able to get your weight down to a managable number.
Saw a pic of him on Drudge and he looks like a Sumo wrestler.
Saw a pic of him on Drudge and he looks like a Sumo wrestler.
PantherLotus
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Might as well ask while can't an alcoholic just stop drinking or a cancer patient can't just get rid of cancer. It's a disease -- and that man is really sick. Does it mean he's lazy or slothful or lacks self control? I dunno, probably.
Byakuya769
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Christie is about 250lbs more of an American than Obama will ever be.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Look up his official portrait lulz city.
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