PantherLotus
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why'd you bring Christie up anyway, TA?
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I know the party basically hid Ron Paul's delegates as far away from the stage as possible, but I really hope they cause some sort of fuss this week.
Also, Maddow last night was comparing how Huckabee's actions last week in damning the party for not backing up Akin were similar to Goldwater condemning Nixon in 1960 at the RNC for going against the backbone of the party. It would be hilarious to see Huckabee condemn the party for not being conservative enough in his speech.
Also, Maddow last night was comparing how Huckabee's actions last week in damning the party for not backing up Akin were similar to Goldwater condemning Nixon in 1960 at the RNC for going against the backbone of the party. It would be hilarious to see Huckabee condemn the party for not being conservative enough in his speech.
He's delivering the keynote tonight.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
I think she was using Goldwater as a framework for explaining what happens when a party has serious, fundamental fractures within its coalition of powers, and when one coalition (in this case, moderates) gain or exercise too much power within that party -- and then fail -- it gives a chance for the other coalition to prove itself in the coming election.
She suggested he could be setting himself up for a 2016 candidacy, which would be awesome for America if you ask me. I really think the U.S. needs to hash this out for the sake of its own sanity, and if that means Jeb vs. Huck going to the slaughterhouse that is the generic Obama acolyte, so be it.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I think I see his point, he has the resources to not only go to a dietician, but get whatever food he wants. I agree that obesity is caused in part by the availability of cheap shitty food.
Part of it is anecdotal, I got my mom to switch from Mountain Dew, to Raspberry Tea (Home made). With no other changes she is losing weight weekly.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Yeah that's definitely it.
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On another note, has anybody noticed the main speakers of this convention look less like the best possible defenders/advocates of Mitt Romney but more like a collection of the previously mentioned factions as each auditions to run for 2016?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Republican_National_Convention#Speakers
Bob McDonnell
Scott Walker
Nikki Haley
Chris Christie
Mike Huckabee
Paul Ryan
Jeb Bush
Marco Rubio
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
That wouldn't bother me. I hope they all do that.
Probably a good guess.
Speaking of auditioning for 2016, who do you guys think will be doing that at the DNC? Their list of speakers:
My guesses are Booker, Castro, Emanuel, and O'Malley. Outside of the super well-known people, I'm not very familiar with a lot of the governors speaking. It's kind of strange that most of the people in the future democrat presidential talks are mayors. Are there any democratic congressmen that would potentially be in the conversation? If there were, I'd imagine they'd be speaking.
cartoon_soldier
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Yes, I am back. Just in time!
And we have a mystery convention speaker! Bets?
Which high profile 2008 Obama backer this will be?
My read on the race:
From an EC perspective, Obama still is ahead. Although, Florida has tightened up more. I think Obama camp made a mistake by not going after Medicare hard the week of Ryan's announcement itself. They did it effectively and preemptively on Romney's Bain record but not for Medicare. We see that reflected in polls, Obama doesn't have that big of an edge and in some cases no edge at all on who will save Medicare. But there is still a lot of time left here, so we will see.
From a national polls perspective, race is a dead heat.
The fear that Obama campaign has to have is Romney pulling away 2-3 after the convention, if he is able to pass that empathy/likability threshold. Contrary to belief here on GAF, I think it is Romney who can pull away from Obama in the race and not vice versa.
For Romney, if the convention produces no visible bounce and the race is where it was this week, 2-3 weeks later, it will be very worrying.
And we have a mystery convention speaker! Bets?
Which high profile 2008 Obama backer this will be?
My read on the race:
From an EC perspective, Obama still is ahead. Although, Florida has tightened up more. I think Obama camp made a mistake by not going after Medicare hard the week of Ryan's announcement itself. They did it effectively and preemptively on Romney's Bain record but not for Medicare. We see that reflected in polls, Obama doesn't have that big of an edge and in some cases no edge at all on who will save Medicare. But there is still a lot of time left here, so we will see.
From a national polls perspective, race is a dead heat.
The fear that Obama campaign has to have is Romney pulling away 2-3 after the convention, if he is able to pass that empathy/likability threshold. Contrary to belief here on GAF, I think it is Romney who can pull away from Obama in the race and not vice versa.
For Romney, if the convention produces no visible bounce and the race is where it was this week, 2-3 weeks later, it will be very worrying.
This is the first time probably since 92 that I am actually interested in the conventions so I really, really hope they don't do that. Not one of the people slated to speak at either convention can hold an audience for more than 20 minutes save Obama. I actually think having to cancel yesterday might ultimately make this a more watchable convention in that they're trying to cram more into it which means they are trying to stick to a strict schedule.
On another note, supposedly MSNBC reached out and apologized to Preibus immediately following the Matthews exchange.
On another note, supposedly MSNBC reached out and apologized to Preibus immediately following the Matthews exchange.
Longoria - Alba 2016
Black Republican
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nikki aint winning shit
I said it yesterday, but I think Obama has stayed quiet this month because it's hard to fight against a VP pick and convention in terms of coverage, so he's just letting their "bumps" play out and focus his attention on getting back into it in September when the big distractions are out of the way and he can grab headlines easier.
Nutter is speaking? Fuck yes! I hope he just does Rapper's Delight.
I'd like to say hello.
To the black.
To the white.
To the red and the brown.
The purple and yellow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3PhVD6-NZ4
I'd like to say hello.
To the black.
To the white.
To the red and the brown.
The purple and yellow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3PhVD6-NZ4
Not sure about that cancer analogy, but the alcoholic one makes sense. It's just that normally, when people achieve a modicum of success/money they begin to think long term about their health or body image. Especially in a field where you are so visible in the public eye.
It's just very unusual for someone to be as successful as Christie is and be that large.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Basically agreed on the idea that a delay might make for a better product.
Regarding "MSNBC" apologizing (rather than MJ producers), I'm guessing he wouldn't have come on if he knew he was opposite Matthews. The idea that they're apologizing suggests that it was supposed be some softball and meaningless panel, which makes me think less of both of them. Matthews was right and Preibus looked absolutely limp in the face of the obvious. And apologizing to Preibus, "sorry our dog bit you," furthers how bad it looks for him.
Did any of you see his face at the end of that barrage? Dude was about to cry. Sorry that he hurt your feelings Prince.
Finally, a ticket I can get behind.
Every professional football coach
Rocket Scientist
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Has congress passed any bills or created any legislation the past few weeks/months?
August recess
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Yeah. Mentioning cancer was on my part an effort to make the disease allusion more clear. I've never been completely comfortable with saying it's as uncontrollable as cancer, though.
To your second point, no doubt. Who was the last genuinely, morbidly obese successful politician/celebrity? He's bigger than Roseanne and John Goodman were at the height of her show. I'm sure there are a number of executives that are up there on the scales, but I can't believe there are many that are public-facing. The question for me is one I'm uncomfortable asking, but I do wonder which chicken/egg came first -- do we see very few (relative to the population) obese people in public positions of power because it's a character flaw that directly correlates to hard work, or is it something closer to discrimination? Makes me nauseous to suggest either, honestly.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Every professional football coach is as successful as Chris Christie, who has been seriously floated as a possible presidential candidate?
Good example, but they are more akin to salesmen where they are a victim of the shitty hours/travel schedule.
PhoenixDark
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Being a governor is quite a stressful job, and involves lots of moving around. The fact that he has gained weight since 2010 tells me he has a major diet problem among other things. At that weight, he could probably lost a lot of weight simply by changing his diet; his job could burn enough fat to make him look like a more regular fat person.
Voters won't tolerate that on a national level
TA did not specify career in his last sentence.
I can't really think of any truly fat politicians with national ambitions. Kennedy is the only one that comes to mind but he was still only about half as fat as Christie.
I think it is more the sitting in the film room eating pizza until 5 am. Lack of sleep + convenience food = tuboshit. Same with computer programmers or drafting engineers. Only careers I can think of really. Well, trucker and traveling salesmen.
Rocket Scientist
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Can we expect anything before the elections? Do they usually start bringing out all kinds of bills for political reasons before an election or is just going to be debt ceiling?
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Even then there really aren't that many that are genuinely obese. Andy Reed comes to mind.
Well he did say "as successful." So you're probably right.
I think you're really making a mountain out of an extremely large hill here. Christie isn't some uber successful politician, he's been elected Governor once. He hasn't even had to face a reelection yet.
Think a bit harder. Looking back 20 years there are a lot of super, super fat coaches. For instance:
I can understand you wanting to block out those years!
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
I didn't say this earlier, but if the few-hundred calorie difference between Mountain Dew and Rasberry Lemonade is enough for you to start seeing significant weight loss, you're dealing with someone that should likely be in the hospital and being treated for a very serious condition. Good on you Suikoguy, anyway. Hard to see someone you love treating their bodies so terribly.
Basic agreement. I think it would be less about the visual and more about the visceral -- he's a bully pretending that if he's a big enough asshole to everyone that nobody will notice he's a really really fat asshole. He'd lose 30-70 to a Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi ticket.
Basic agreement. I think it would be less about the visual and more about the visceral -- he's a bully pretending that if he's a big enough asshole to everyone that nobody will notice he's a really really fat asshole. He'd lose 30-70 to a Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi ticket.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Fine. Christie isn't as successful as I was suggesting. And I have no idea what you're talking about. What years?!
A picture of a guy with what looks like a broken leg in a wheelchair isn't the best reference to use in this context.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Well, to be fair to ez, he was really really fat before his leg was messed up.
I'd say it's too risky to live that fat.
That was what I consider to be the most demoralizing picture of Charlie Wies' time with the Chiefs.
Didn't Huckabee get fat again?
Exactly. But it's not just the cardiovascular issues, but the wear and tear you put on your knees and hips. If he thinks that simple surgery is too scary, wait until he is faced with double hip surgery in 10 years.
If they have history of playing professionally then their bodies are likely beat up too.
Yea. Even a post from Diablos with the latest Gallup poll to fret over would have been more enlightening.
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GOP Mystery Guest:
Oh god .. I just had this vision of them doing to Reagan what they did to Tupac.
It would be so creepy, sad, embarrassing that I am wishing for it to happen.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Well there is this whole issue of the possibility that the entire Romney family is on stage, confetti raining down, as half-hearted, skeptical applause meets Mitt's half-cocked, Ward Cleaver aww-shucks smile while New Orleans drowns again. There's that.
CharlieDigital
Banned
Computer programmers? Fat? I can tell you that the majority that I've met and worked with -- as a software engineer, consultant -- are pretty fit folks.
Edit: I pondered this just now and I've worked at some of the largest companies in the world and worked with dozens of teams and cannot recall a single developer that was obese or extremely overweight.
Isn't there something about the Google fifteen? I'm not saying obese, just meaty.
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