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[Stinkles]

Oh my god how did I miss this?

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/atlasshruggedpart2/

'I won't be a slave' and the off-horizontal Taggart industry plaque are my two favorites, but the single track bridge CG is pretty amazing too.

 

[Tim-E]

Just saw this strange ad during GPS with a European immigrant saying that because he's seen the effects of socialism he's voting Republican. Since neither candidate supports socialism, why is he claiming this is his reason for voting Republican? I've said it before, but if they think that Barack Obama is a socialist, then he's a really shitty socialist.

I agree, I'm glad I'm not seeing it. But it just feels like it's still there, but I have no proof or data! So I guess we'll see...

It's definitely an issue for many people, but I think in most cases those people are simply going to hold their noses and vote for Romney because their dislike for Obama is far greater. Either that or they'll sit it out.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

There must always be a Kosmo in PoliGAF.

Fixer'd

 

[Cloudy]

Obama gains in RAND again.

Mamba proven right so far, eh PD?

It's now 49.1-45.4. Almost +4 for Obama.

Obama gains about 2 points in 2 days. Looking more and more like Obama is pulling almost 50% in RAND and Romney pulling in 45%. That's basically what it was pre-debate.

That RAND poll is kind of weird IMO. They ask the same group of 3500 people every week on a rolling schedule what % chance they have of voting for either candidate. So it's measuring enthusiasm just as much as support. Is it even credible?

 

[RDreamer]

lol:

Afterward, Mr. Ryan stopped with his wife and children at a nearby soup kitchen. The family put on aprons and washed several large pans, though they did not appear to need washing, according to a pool reporter. There also was no one to serve at the soup kitchen, as breakfast had ended.

 

[pigeon]

lol:

Cannot believe this was not the Onion.

 

[Tim-E]

lol:

The next Lysol-gate.

 

[RDreamer]

Cannot believe this was not the Onion.

I can't believe the entire character of Paul Ryan isn't completely created, whole-cloth, by the Onion.

 

[Half and half]

lol:

I bet he had to memorize the dish washing steps just like he had to memorize foreign policy bullet points before the debate.

 

[Mike M]

In WA, there's this billboard letter board with a crudely drawn Uncle Sam on it along I5 in Chehalis. It always has some batshit Tea Party message on it, last night the southbound side said "VOTE FOR THÈ AMERICAN"

Some people...

 

[ISOM]

That RAND poll is kind of weird IMO. They ask the same group of 3500 people every week on a rolling schedule what % chance they have of voting for either candidate. So it's measuring enthusiasm just as much as support. Is it even credible?

Why is the credibility only questioned when obama is gaining? Hmmm....

 

[Jackson50]

There must always be a Kosmo.

But which was banned, the master or the apprentice?

It's definitely an issue for many people, but I think in most cases those people are simply going to hold their noses and vote for Romney because their dislike for Obama is far greater. Either that or they'll sit it out.

I was reared in the Assemblies of God church. They characterize the LDS church as a cult that preaches false doctrines. My parents, brother, and many friends typify the religious right. And until the general election, they opposed Romney specifically because of his religious affiliation. But since he secured the nomination, they've reversed their opinions harder than even Romney could. And they are genuinely elated after Romney won the debate. When I inquire how they could support a Mormon, they justify it as being the lesser of two evils. And then they usually note how he's a strong family man. They remark that, despite teaching false doctrines, Mormons have strong family values. Whatever harm his religion has caused him is probably already reflected in the polls. The religious right...they want Obama out of the WH. Nothing is going to inhibit them.

 

[The Technomancer]

lol:

This is amazing

 

[Tim-E]

I think video footage could be released of Mitt Romney murdering someone and he would still win most of the south because they dislike Obama so much.

 

[RDreamer]

Another CEO suggests jobs may be at stake if Obama wins re-election

This part was particularly interesting:

Remember, in the world of business, companies are consolidators or they get consolidated; so far ASG has been a consolidator, completing over 60 acquisitions in our 26 year history. When we buy a company, we eliminate about 60 percent of the salaries of the employees of that company. If we lose our independence and get consolidated, the same thing would happen to ASG's employees.

I suppose at least this one's honest in that he's, in fact, not a job creator, but instead the complete opposite.

 

[Stinkles]

Another CEO suggests jobs may be at stake if Obama wins re-election

This part was particularly interesting:


I suppose at least this one's honest in that he's, in fact, not a job creator, but instead the complete opposite.

That really was an amazing quote. Absolutely mirthless lack of empathy or common sense. If I was a shareholder I would call for his head. That is catastrophically insensate rhetoric.

 

[Jackson50]

I think video footage could be released of Mitt Romney murdering someone and he would still win most of the south because they dislike Obama so much.

And every conservative Christian would pull the lever for him, too. They are crazed with antipathy for Obama. They've even taken a liking to the Clintons, whom they used to call the modern Ahab and Jezebel, out of spite. Mormonism be damned, nothing is stopping them from voting against Obama.

 

[The Lamonster]

It's fucked up that Romney gets to say he is for America and Obama is not. This is the sitting president for fucks sakes. If the roles were reversed the media would tear Obama to shreds for a comment like that.

 

[Cheebo]

Why is the credibility only questioned when obama is gaining? Hmmm....

538 has questioned their reliability in the past. It's a weird poll. Gallup is the gold standard when it comes to daily trackers.

 

[soul creator]

I bet he had to memorize the dish washing steps just like he had to memorize foreign policy bullet points before the debate.

 

[Tim-E]

Just when I said that liberals weren't resorting to religious attacks, a liberal I'm friends with on Facebook posts this:

fucking ugh

 

[ErasureAcer]

Just when I said that liberals weren't resorting to religious attacks, a liberal I'm friends with on Facebook posts this:

fucking ugh

Yeah, totally unfair. I've been to Kolob and God does in fact live there.

 

[The Lamonster]

Eh, it's a valid point, IMO. Not about religion but about republicans' double standard.

 

[Jackson50]

Yeah, totally unfair. I've been to Kolob and God does in fact live there.

I'm thinking of visiting. Kolob is beautiful this time of year.

 

[Tim-E]

I don't think the whole "the other side does it, too!" thing works here. I'm all for wanting Mitt to lose, but I don't think things should be done this way, whether the things in said religion are goofy or not.

 

[Stinkles]

Just when I said that liberals weren't resorting to religious attacks, a liberal I'm friends with on Facebook posts this:

fucking ugh

If you ignore the religious description it's a fair assault on hypocrisy, not religion itself.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Eh, it's a valid point, IMO. Not about religion but about republicans' double standard.

Yeah I the Muslim/Kenyan/Marxist/Socialist/Communist was always about Obama being black, not his religion.

If you ignore the religious description it's a fair assault on hypocrisy, not religion itself.

This also.

 

[Tim-E]

A point could definitely be made that they're ignoring Mitt's religious beliefs (that they previously were upset about) while still screaming that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim, but attacking Mormonism directly isn't necessary in making that point.

 

[Jak140]

Call me crazy, but I don't think discussing a person's actual religion should be completely off limits. Particularly when that religion openly discriminated against black people as recently as 1978 as official church doctrine.

 

[pigeon]

Call me crazy, but I don't think discussing a persons religion should be completely off limits. Particularly when that religion openly discriminated against black people as recently as 1978 as official church doctrine.

Frankly, if the post just said "by the way the LDS hates black people basically as part of its gospel" then that would be one thing. It's unnecessary to make fun of them for their religion being silly given that most of America worships a stick we nailed God's illegitimate son to. Religion is often pretty silly if you decontextualize it.

 

[gcubed]

Call me crazy, but I don't think discussing a person's actual religion should be completely off limits. Particularly when that religion openly discriminated against black people as recently as 1978 as official church doctrine.

religion is fair game when a candidate bases his political views and "plan" for America on his religion. So... religion is fair game for every president so far. Although there is no reason to go as deep as that point did... as pigeon mentioned above

 

[Cloudy]

Why is the credibility only questioned when obama is gaining? Hmmm....

I'm not anti-Obama if that's what you're implying. I've just never seen anything like this before and I'd caution other Obama supporters from putting any faith in that when other tracking polls are showing a much closer race

 

[Jak140]

Frankly, if the post just said "by the way the LDS hates black people basically as part of its gospel" then that would be one thing. It's unnecessary to make fun of them for their religion being silly given that most of America worships a stick we nailed God's illegitimate son to. Religion is often pretty silly if you decontextualize it.

Well tbh as an agnostic I think all that silly stuff in all religions should be made fun of, particularly since they are still used as an excuse to hinder the social and scientific progress of humanity.

 

[Tim-E]

I'm not anti-Obama if that's what you're implying. I've just never seen anything like this before and I'd caution other Obama supporters from putting any faith in that when other tracking polls are showing a much closer race

Personally, I save myself the stress by not paying attention to national daily tracking polls.

 

[gkryhewy]

social scientific progress

The holy trinity of evil. Thou shalt be cast out.

 

[speculawyer]

Just when I said that liberals weren't resorting to religious attacks, a liberal I'm friends with on Facebook posts this:

fucking ugh

It is all a bunch of hooey and it should not be part of the campaign. But that said, one can at least appreciate hypocrisy angle.

Edit: Damn it, Stinkles just pointed that out.

 

[Tim-E]

Well tbh as an agnostic I think all that silly stuff in all religions should be made fun of, particularly since they are still used as an excuse to hinder the social and scientific progress of humanity.

Using religion as a crutch to avoid progress is silly, but making fun of someone's religion when trying to make that argument is going to win over no one. Being rude about something that is so deeply entwined in someone's life will win absolutely no arguments.

 

[Forever]

And every conservative Christian would pull the lever for him, too. They are crazed with antipathy for Obama. They've even taken a liking to the Clintons, whom they used to call the modern Ahab and Jezebel, out of spite. Mormonism be damned, nothing is stopping them from voting against Obama.

Obama is a pro-gay, pro-choice, black Democrat with a foreign name.

He is the living, breathing embodiment of ALL that they hate.

 

[Jak140]

If I told everyone that I believed in a magic dolphin that blessed me with rainbows shot out of its holy blowhole, that would be justifiably open to ridicule. But if I told you all that that was my religion suddenly that would be off limits? Nuh uh. I don't buy it.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Why is the credibility only questioned when obama is gaining? Hmmm....

Has the poll been used before 2012, and is it credible? People have asked before but I've never heard an answer

 

[pigeon]

If I told everyone that I believed in a magic dolphin that blessed me with rainbows shot out of its holy blowhole, that would be justifiably open to ridicule. But if I told you all that that was my religion suddenly that would be off limits? Nuh uh. I don't buy it.

Don't worry, in America you have the right to be as much of a jerkwad as you feel appropriate.

This is really not relevant to this thread.

 

[Tim-E]

If I told everyone that I believed in a magic dolphin that blessed me with rainbows shot out of its holy blowhole, that would be justifiably open to ridicule. But if I told you all that that was my religion suddenly that would be off limits? Nuh uh. I don't buy it.

I'm saying that attacking people's faith like that is going to win NO ONE over. If you want to win over people to being more open to progress that may conflict with what they perceive as religious beliefs, ridiculing them will immediately discredit anything you say to them. Be open and be respectful when engaging others, because no progress will be made if all you're doing is spouting off some bullshit that only fans of Bill Maher will enjoy. When 4 out of every 5 people in the US identify as being religious and you want to make some leeway in terms of political progress, you'll get absolutely nowhere if you're talking down to 80% of the population.

Has the poll been used before 2012, and is it credible? People have asked before but I've never heard an answer

I think they've been around polling public opinion and doing statistics for a while on various subjects, but this is their first foray into political opinion tracking.

 

[Measley]

Romney wants to be the leader of America and the free world. We have a right to criticize and belittle his stupid religion.

 

[pigeon]

It's also worth noting that some of our more respected posters in and out of PoliGAF are Mormons.

 

[Byakuya769]

Just when I said that liberals weren't resorting to religious attacks, a liberal I'm friends with on Facebook posts this:

fucking ugh

Is that an attack or a valid question, though?

 

[Dude Abides]

Romney wants to be the leader of America and the free world. We have a right to criticize and belittle his stupid religion.

Can we belittle Obama's?

 

[jamesinclair]

Can we belittle Obama's?

Why not?

It bothers me how much he mentions God in his speeches

 

[PhoenixDark]

It's going to be very interesting when Billy Graham dies. Will his son invite Obama to the funeral? There's no doubt every living president will be there, and will probably get to speak; Hillary will certainly be invited too. But given his son's unprecedented crusade against Obama I'm not sure how things will play out. I wouldn't be surprised if its purposefully held on a difficult day for Obama to attend, and that he's given a late invite - ie a trap so that I'd Obama can't attend it'll be used as a political football

 

[Aylinato]

Romney wants to be the leader of America and the free world. We have a right to criticize and belittle his stupid religion.

Romney wants lower taxes. Simple as that.

For himself.

 

[Forever]

On the whole I don't think Mormonism is that much more insane than the other brands of Christianity, it only seems that way because traditional Christianity has made its insanity the norm in our society.

Also Harry Reid is a Mormon and he's been great for us this election cycle.