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PoliGAF 2013 |OT2| Worth 77% of OT1

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GhaleonEB

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Black Mamba said:
Holy fuck, the Indiana GOP is fucking evil. EVIL.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20131010/NEWS05/310100086

They are literally suing to stop Indiana residents from getting subsidies from the federal exchange because they opted out of running it themselves.

Holy.

Fucking.

Fuck.
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Stopping poor people (and minorities) from obtaining health insurance is the GOP's objective, they're just being more explicit about it. Still, it's nothing short of disgusting to see it out in the open. These are horrible people.
 
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Videoneon

Member
Bo said:
So, holy shit, the Tea Party's approval ratings are almost eclipsing the Republican Party's approval ratings? I hope this GOPageddon-third-parties-running-in-the-streets apocalypse actually comes to fruition, but as with most things I'm skeptical.
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My guess is the Tea Party isn't likely to evolve into a third party. At least, one that can compete, and one that's close to the level of the Green or Libertarian parties (which aren't equal, I'd say.) They don't have much financial/establishment muscle, they don't have a global ideological network (which I know the USA Greens are a part of, and am guessing the same applies to the Libertarians?), they have barely any accomplishments worth rallying around in the five years or so they've had to do things. To follow on that last point, too many people that aren't a part of the group converted to the Tea Party gospel are unhappy with them after this debacle. On the second point, since what the Tea Party stands for is out of touch with parallel global movements in other countries (lots of other places already got healthcare mandates), they have much fewer allies than the Greens or the Socialists do.

These shortcomings wouldn't be so bad in isolation, but concurrently, it leaves little reason for a massive, sustainable flocking away from the GOP. In my mind the Tea Party just continues to exist as a sort of spirit that expresses racism, reflexive hatred of the government, paranoia, and etc. etc.

empty vessel said:
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Someone got on your bad side today? =)

PhoenixPause said:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/10/about-that-nbcwsj-poll-that-killed-republicans-on-the-shutdown/

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interesting closer on that one.

"I don't want to say UNSKEWED POLLS!!!!!1111!!1111elevenshift....but UNSKEWED POLLS!!1111!1111shiftoneone"

Black Mamba said:
Holy fuck, the Indiana GOP is fucking evil. EVIL.


http://www.indystar.com/article/20131010/NEWS05/310100086

They are literally suing to stop Indiana residents from getting subsidies from the federal exchange because they opted out of running it themselves.
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I hope they fail. This is abhorrent, selfish, and spiteful. This is not the sort of statement worth making.
 
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Black Mamba

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There is red and there is red. As in fire engine-ruby-crimson-blood-cardinal red.

Politically speaking, Utah falls into the latter category.

It has been nearly half a century since the state voted Democratic in a presidential election. President Obama received a wincingly small 25% of the vote in Utah in 2012, his worst performance in the country. That was down from a merely awful 35% in 2008.

The state’s congressional delegation is all Republican, save for Democrat Jim Matheson, who represents a Salt Lake City-area district and enjoys perennial membership in the national GOP’s Top Congressional Targets Club.

All of which make noteworthy a new poll out from Brigham Young University.

The survey found that freshman Republican Sen. Mike Lee, one of the seminal tea partyers and an architect of the current government shutdown, has plunged in popularity, with more than half of Utah voters now disapproving of his performance. In June, Lee’s favorability rating was 50%, compared with 40% in the latest poll.

As it happens, his chief ally in rolling down the gates on the federal government, Sen. Ted Cruz, has also fallen in the public’s esteem. A Gallup Poll out Thursday showed that people have grown more familiar with Cruz as a result of his shutdown crusade and also like him less: Of the more than 6 in 10 surveyed who had an opinion — up from 42% in June — just 26% viewed the Texas senator favorably. (The two played tag team last month during a 21-hour anti-Obama talkathon on the Senate floor).

Lee is not up for reelection in Utah until 2016, making a poll today about as relevant as an extended 3-year weather forecast. More meaningful was this finding: Nearly 6 in 10 of those surveyed said he should be more willing to compromise, even if that means funding the federal healthcare initiative that is Obama’s crowning legislative achievement and was, at least starting out, the casus belli of the 10-day-old shutdown.
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lol, even Utes are annoyed with their own guy and Cruz.

Cruz for president died a quick death.
 
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East Lake

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I don't know what that means but I agree.

Also I'm watching this scene and I'm thinking I'd keep everything the same but change Jeff's hair to look like it does in Dumb and Dumber.
 
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Jooney

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Tough crowd. The Newsroom is Aaron Sorkin's liberal take on the newsmedia, just like how The West Wing was his liberal take on a democratic President set against the backdrop of the Bush administration. The show has got its fair share of problems but I still enjoy it.

R10Neymarfan said:
You could say the same for black republicans and female republicans too. Unbelievable what these people think that their own party doesn't think too lowly of them behind closed doors
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That misses the point of the clip. It's condescending to think that a physical or personal characteristic of a person (race, sexual orientation, gender etc.) should define someone's politics. It's presumptious to think that a gay black man has to be a democrat - it overlooks the fact that his guiding principle may lie elsewhere (e.g. pro-life, fiscal conservative, strong national defence, etc.).

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Jon Stewart went all in on Republican Governors who rejected the medicaid expansion. Great fucking segment. It really crystallised how this decision hurts people just above the poverty line.

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Also great to see that EV went back to his original avatar! I forgot how he looked without the glasses.
My theory is that Empty Vessel is D.B. Cooper
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Sibylus

Banned
NSA Veterans: The White House Is Hanging Us Out to Dry- 'There has been no support for the agency from the President, and this has not gone unnoticed.'

This from the agency that has made "oversight", "regulation", and "good faith" about as empty as empty gets. Want anybody's sympathy? Don't fucking abuse your ridiculous reach in the first place!

"The President is uncomfortable defending this. Maybe he spends too much time reading blogs on the left," Baker said. "That's fatal in cases like this. You have to make the case because nobody else will."
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Those wily leftist bloggers.
 
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thefro

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I'm thinking Pence is going to be a one-term governor in Indiana... people were already starting to get mad at him before this. He didn't exactly win in a landslide in 2012 (pretty much just scrapped by on the anti-Obama coattails against a Dem who had no money to campaign). If Hilldawg runs for President in 2016 he's toast.
 
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The Technomancer

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ido

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The debt ceiling needs to disappear for good.

People all over my facebook (I am from Mississippi) are complaining about the "skyrocketing" rates of healthcare, specifically coming from Blue Cross. As I'm sure most of you are aware, these are states where medicare extensions were denied, and there is very little competition on the exchange. In Alabama, for example, I believe in 64 out of 67 counties Blue Cross is the only provider participating in the individual insurance marketplace.

I find it ironic that red states tend to be poor, and require the help of the federal government, yet the majority of people who live here think the reason they are poor is because of the government.

I'm happy to see that Obama has yet to fold. Stay gold, you wonderful pony.
 
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Owzers

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Ted Cruz speaking at a Values Voter summit. They love this guy. He's trying to up-sell Mike Lee and himself on their crusade against Obamacare.
 
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R10Neymarfan

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ido said:
The debt ceiling needs to disappear for good.

People all over my facebook (I am from Mississippi) are complaining about the "skyrocketing" rates of healthcare, specifically coming from Blue Cross. As I'm sure most of you are aware, these are states where medicare extensions were denied, and there is very little competition on the exchange. In Alabama, for example, I believe in 64 out of 67 counties Blue Cross is the only provider participating in the individual insurance marketplace.

I find it ironic that red states tend to be poor, and require the help of the federal government, yet the majority of people who live here think the reason they are poor is because of the government.

I'm happy to see that Obama has yet to fold. Stay gold, you wonderful pony.
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They keep hoping the trickle down theory will work...eventually
 
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PhoenixDark

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@markknoller 1m

Reid says Senate Dems don't believe a 6 week Debt Limit hike is enough to give the economy the confidence it needs to grow & recover.
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Good.

Obama is about to meet with senate republicans. I hope he holds firm, on everything. I wouldn't mind if the medical tax was ended during a budget process, but AFTER the government is opened and the DL is raised. I would not support ending it now as a concession. Boehner doesn't deserve anything.
 
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tanooki141

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Officerrob said:
I can't wait for Cruz to win the Iowa caucus, establishment Republicans will lose their minds

Is half of this audience protesters?
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I would assume the audience is the tea party by looking at the speaker list and topics covered.

I would encourage everyone to go check out the website for the Summit, the speaker list and topics are comical. Theres a few about stopping the tyranny of Obamacare and defending football in America.
 
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Diablos

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PhoenixPause said:
Good.

Obama is about to meet with senate republicans. I hope he holds firm, on everything. I wouldn't mind if the medical tax was ended during a budget process, but AFTER the government is opened and the DL is raised. I would not support ending it now as a concession. Boehner doesn't deserve anything.
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Yeah, I think this is all but confirmed to be Obama's position by now.
 
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Tamanon

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) channeled his inner-maverick Friday during an appearance on Fox News Channel, repeatedly reminding the conservative network that the government shutdown was brought about by the quixotic effort to halt the Affordable Care Act.

When anchor Martha MacCallum asked him about the White House's handling of the suspension of death benefits to military families, McCain said that while the administration deserves blame it was a GOP-induced shutdown that caused the problem in the first place.

"Let's have a little straight talk, Martha," McCain said. "[The administration] wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare. I fought against Obamacare harder than any of the people who wanted to shut down the government."
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The interview closed with McCain rattling off a number of proposals that are "achievable" for Republicans.

"Defunding Obamacare is not one of them," he said emphatically.

"Well, we'll see," MacCallum said, prompting sarcastic laughter from the senator.

"I guarantee it," McCain said. "Not only will you see, I guarantee it."
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Heh, Mavericking it up!
 
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KingK

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thefro said:
I'm thinking Pence is going to be a one-term governor in Indiana... people were already starting to get mad at him before this. He didn't exactly win in a landslide in 2012 (pretty much just scrapped by on the anti-Obama coattails against a Dem who had no money to campaign). If Hilldawg runs for President in 2016 he's toast.
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We can only hope. I do think there's a decent chance he'll lose, but I wouldn't bet on it. Dems should definitely go for it though, because Pence won by a much smaller margin than I think most people anticipated, and I didn't even know the name of his opponent until the week before the election. If they actually put some effort into a campaign next time, I do think the Dems have a shot, but Indiana is still a very Red state.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
BSsBrolly said:
House Republicans now offering DL increase and a Budget in exchange for spending cuts. Lol I hope Obama tells them to fuck off.
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I don't see why he should agree to anything other than complete surrender on their part. Keeping the government running and not destroying the world economy is not a concession.
 
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RustyNails

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BSsBrolly said:
House Republicans now offering DL increase and a Budget in exchange for spending cuts. Lol I hope Obama tells them to fuck off.
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See Obama? This is how you deal with economic terrorists. Imagine how fast our economy could have grown had Obama not chased the compromise unicorns in the past.
 
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teiresias

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BSsBrolly said:
House Republicans now offering DL increase and a Budget in exchange for spending cuts. Lol I hope Obama tells them to fuck off.
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Haha, further cuts from sequester? Laugh in their faces for even suggesting that crap. Reid already made a concession to keep the original CR at sequestration levels.
 
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Officerrob

Banned
BSsBrolly said:
House Republicans now offering DL increase and a Budget in exchange for spending cuts. Lol I hope Obama tells them to fuck off.
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They can "offer" whatever the hell they want, the question is will they bring it to the floor against what tea partiers what and rely on democrats? Congressional tea partiers are still spouting garbage about Obamacre must be part of any deal this morning, so Boehner either needs to put up or shut up.
 
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ridethepiggy

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DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- From county chairmen to national party luminaries, veteran Republicans across the country are accusing tea party lawmakers of staining the GOP with their refusal to bend in the budget impasse in Washington.

The Republican establishment also is signaling a willingness to strike back at the tea party in next fall's elections.

"It's time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process," former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu argues, faulting Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and tea party Republicans in the House as much as President Barack Obama for taking an uncompromising stance.

Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour is just as pointed, saying this about the tea party-fueled refusal to support spending measures that include money for Obama's health care law: "It never had a chance."

The anger emanating from Republicans like Sununu and Barbour comes just three years after the GOP embraced the insurgent political group and rode its wave of new energy to return to power in the House.

Now, they're lashing out with polls showing Republicans bearing most of the blame for the federal shutdown, which entered its 11th day Friday. In some places, they're laying the groundwork to take action against the tea party in the 2014 congressional elections.

Iowa Republicans are recruiting a pro-business Republican to challenge six-term conservative Rep. Steve King, a leader in the push to defund the health care law. Disgruntled Republicans are further ahead in Michigan, where second-term, tea party-backed Rep. Justin Amash is facing a Republican primary challenger who is more in line with -- and being encouraged by -- the party establishment. And business interest groups, long aligned with the Republican Party, also are threatening to recruit and fund strong challengers to tea party House members.

Tea party backers are undeterred and assail party leaders.

"They keep compromising," said Katrina Pierson, a former Dallas-area tea party organizer now challenging Rep. Pete Sessions of Texas in the 2014 GOP primary. "They all campaigned on fiscal responsibility. They just need to do what they campaigned on."

In more than a dozen interviews, Republican leaders, officials and strategists at all levels of the party blamed Obama for the shutdown but also faulted tea party lawmakers in the House, who have insisted that any deal to reopen the government be contingent on stripping money for the health care law.

An Associated Press-GfK poll released Wednesday showed why these party loyalists are so concerned: More Republicans told pollsters that the GOP is mishandling the shutdown than is handling it well. And among those who say it's being poorly handled, twice as many Republicans say the party is not doing enough to negotiate with Obama than those who say the party is doing too much.

Party leaders interviewed said the tea party's demands to defund the health care law -- and the House leadership's willingness to follow suit -- were distracting from what they said is the GOP's best strategy to recover from its 2012 losses: a focus on reducing long-term spending. They said defunding the health care law would not achieve that goal because the money was already flowing to the law.

"At the end of the day, you're fighting legislation that's already passed," said former South Carolina Republican Party Chairman Katon Dawson, describing the fight to defund the health care law as a lost cause.

Republican activists around the country also said in interviews that the shutdown -- and House Republicans' demands -- have deflected attention from problems with the launch of key parts to the health care bill.

Thousands of Americans were unable to shop for health insurance on the online marketplaces when they went live on Oct. 1 because of software glitches. And, these Republicans say, the GOP in Washington -- and specifically tea party House members -- got in the way of the troubled rollout, which the GOP could have seized on if the government were still open.

"We're not saying Obama is right. We're saying what Republicans are doing is wrong," said Matt Cox, a former executive director of Ohio's Cuyahoga County GOP. He said that instead of pursuing the shutdown strategy, Republicans in Washington could have passed -- and taken credit for -- a spending measure that kept dollar levels at those set by the automatic $1.2 trillion across-the-board cut approved last year, also called the sequester.

Generally, these Republicans said that because of the tea party's effort to defund the health care law, the Republican Party had missed an opportunity to hammer Obama after he hit a rough patch over Syria just a month ago.

Former Illinois state Sen. Laura Douglas wants to believe that the holdouts can win. But she has her doubts.

"My heart says, 'Keep fighting, don't give up,'" said Douglas, a resident of Quincy in western Illinois. "But my head says, 'If we keep this kind of thing up, we're going to get creamed next year.'"

Her worries are reflected in the AP-GfK poll. Roughly three-quarters of Republicans nationally said their party in Congress deserves a moderate degree or most of the blame for the shutdown.

Even among Republicans, those who don't support the tea party mostly disapprove of how the GOP is handling the budget issue. Just 17 percent of Americans overall consider themselves tea party backers.

And tea party allies are fighting back.

The Senate Conservatives Fund, an independent political action committee, has run ads asking tea party supporters to recruit primary election opponents for Republicans who voted for a measure that would have kept the government running with modifications in the health care law.

In South Carolina, Fairfield County Republican Chairman Kevin Thomas is among those on the side of tea party lawmakers.

"The only leverage we have is the budget," he said
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It's happening
 
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