Delaying the mandate will destroy Obamacare by fucking over all the private insurance companies in the country.
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Delaying the mandate will destroy Obamacare by fucking over all the private insurance companies in the country.
NYCmetsfan
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/house-gop-white-house-seeking-end-budget-fight
Obama better smack this down. debt limit and CR are non-negotiable. Then you negotiate ending sequester with other deficit cuts
Anybody have any good pros and cons for means testing medicare. On the surface it doesn't sound bad but I can't help but thinks its purpose is to undermine the whole purpose of social insurance. The point is everyone pays in, everyone gets something out of it.
Obama better smack this down. debt limit and CR are non-negotiable. Then you negotiate ending sequester with other deficit cuts
Anybody have any good pros and cons for means testing medicare. On the surface it doesn't sound bad but I can't help but thinks its purpose is to undermine the whole purpose of social insurance. The point is everyone pays in, everyone gets something out of it.
polyh3dron
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my god I love that sigh at the end there by the Fox News standard issue blonde fembot. she's pissed.
RustyNails
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Why couldnt Sebellius give this response to Stewart on the daily show instead of dodging an db evading? That interview was the dumbest thing ever.
A succint answer would be "because corporations are bot people,jon".
NYCmetsfan
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The Poll killed all enthusiasm or even apathy, establishment figures had.
PhoenixDark
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Because a 6 month delay of the most important aspect of the healthcare law would do harm to it, and because there should be no negotiations over the US paying its bills/opening the government.
btw: Sen Corker is saying the government will be opened next week on a short term basis, and the DL raised. Whether he knows about a deal or is just predicting, I don't know. If Obama agrees to this entitlement nonsense, I'll be shocked. If you want to cut Medicare/SS for old people, fine - that's your stupid obsession not mine. But don't do it because a minority is holding the country hostage.
Byakuya769
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I know. Seen that song and dance before. It won't work. They'll take some bullshit extension, and we'll be going through the same thing in a few months.
NullPointer
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The clean CR is already at Republican compromise spending levels. That was already the deal, and the Repubs reneged on it.
They get nothing.
If I'm Obama, the only way I accept any kind of entitlement cutting budget deal is in exchange for ending these shenanigans for good. Take the decision to raise the debt ceiling out of Congress's hands permanently, and create a law where if Congress fails to pass a budget, the government stays open at the funding level set by the last budget they passed with across the board increases based on inflation. Oh and universal background checks for buying a gun 
Might want to take a look at the "GOp exploding" topic in the OT. There's a Ted Cruz defender there.
NYCmetsfan
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Why do republican's like means testing medicare? Its a tax hike, why not just make their contributions more?
PhoenixDark
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wut?
Perhaps they're hoping if they can pass this nonsense first, it'll convince the senate GOP to filibuster Reid's clean DL raise? It don't think the House recognizes that the senate GOP thinks they're fucking amateurs.
here's my compromise: reopen government, raise debt ceiling, cut house gop pay. dems get what they want, reps get the spending cuts they want.
mightynine
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The entitlements cuts are all Ryan, must be what he was using to get people on board with the idea. Must need to put something in there, so it can get stripped out by Senate, and they have something to complain about and try to save face.
NYCmetsfan
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Senate vs. House republicans
He's eerily obsessed with them. He disappears for long stretchs and then randomly pops up with ways to end the two most popular government programs. Its clear he REALLY wants to cut them, he's been wanting to since he got into office
Arrowgigantic
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Ancillary effect of Republican intransigence:
Joe the Plumber plays the Tea Party's all-but-admitted hand.
That breaks the record for I'm Not Racist Buts, I'm pretty sure.
Joe the Plumber plays the Tea Party's all-but-admitted hand.
That breaks the record for I'm Not Racist Buts, I'm pretty sure.
Means testing anything means far far more government expense.
PhoenixDark
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Makes sense. Still wary of what might be going on at WH. Senate republicans are significantly smarter than their House counterparts.
Fenderputty
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Lol @ easing of sequester. What the fuck does that even mean?
NullPointer
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I can't.... I... what? I mean, what?
*attaches safety harness*
*breaks safety glass*
*huffs oxygen*
This is SHOCKING. Absolutely SHOCKING. Who knew there were racists in the tea party?! SHOCKING!!
NYCmetsfan
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More discretion over cuts, MAYBE a slight lifting of the top of line caps. Still means testing is permanent.
Looks like he forgot he was in his CMS tab and not posting under his Stormfront account.
I dunno. She should've called me, I'm not that busy*. But we probably don't want to set the precedent of government employees using quotes from people on internet forums.
Not sure yet. It could mean spending increases. Honestly, it's not a bad deal necessarily, but it doesn't fly tied to a six week debt ceiling increase and no CR.
* I'm so fucking busy
Black Mamba
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Ruh roh
NYCmetsfan
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I can't in good conscious support fundamentally changing a major program for a fix to a temporary problem. The sequester can be fixed at any time, I imagine next year we'll see bills like the mini-CR fixing bits and pieces republicans are getting hit too. But who's going to un-mean test medicare?
Meanwhile, a new poll this morning shows Democrats +10 on the generic House ballot.
http://gqrr.com/images/Blog_posts/documents/2013/Shutdown_Registered Voter National FQ 101013.pdf
Quick hits:
Obama favorables +6
GOP favorables -26
Dem favorables -5
Tea Party favorables -32
"Federal government worker provide vital services" net agree 48
http://gqrr.com/images/Blog_posts/documents/2013/Shutdown_Registered Voter National FQ 101013.pdf
Quick hits:
Obama favorables +6
GOP favorables -26
Dem favorables -5
Tea Party favorables -32
"Federal government worker provide vital services" net agree 48
Fenderputty
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I mean I know shit is developing and it's twitter, but I think it's hard to say if it's a good deal considering we don't know the specifics. Super vaugue. Personally I think they're just making a more palatable idea to sell to the public. They're still trying to negotiate with guns to Obama's head. I feel like this budget route serves them the dual purpose of getting them more than they would than if they actually had to negotiate after a clean CR and DL extension as well. Plus fuck Paul Ryan.
I think this is a little bit of a bad framing, though. The sequester is only temporary in the sense that we assumed both parties would hate it. If the GOP has decided they like it, then it's about as temporary as Medicare -- it's the law, and lots of people think it should be changed, but there's no consensus for doing so.
That said, I can see the argument that the sequester isn't a real law because the GOP actually can't pass a budget that adheres to the sequester, which is supported by current evidence. So maybe you're right. We can only hope that the GOP will once again prevent the Democratic president from cutting Medicare and Social Security.
Black Mamba
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In like with last night's poll. Bad news for Obama
To ease the sequester the dems will have to give something up. There is no way around that. The GOP is apparently fine with status quo budget ignoring obamacare.
ridethepiggy
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That's a tiny sample size.
NYCmetsfan
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Its law but its a base line and only applies for 10 years. There are a lot of elections between then. It will be easy for a democratic congress to repeal it in 2015 or 2017 if no fixes are made to it. And as you said nobody can really abide by it. I think republican's like using it to say they cut the budget but will be open to practically reversing it using accounting or budgeting tricks. I just don't think now is the time to do that. We still have a few months before the really bad cuts kick in.
Medical device tax, other short term budget cuts, tax reform. I'm just really hesitant to cut or change our safety net, especially medicare as I think its the best devise to frame a future move to single payer, medicare for all. Means testing will erode its popularity.
Margin of error is 3.5%.
PhoenixDark
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NYCmetsfan
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Amazing
His stupid politics don't take away from what he's accomplished. All we need to do is understand that none of our heroes are perfect, that's just the way the world works.
I love these numbers.
It's too bad he drank the kool aid, dude's straight up crazy.
hahahahaha
wtf were they all listening to
No kiddin'. House GOPers (well, the TP Caucus at least) consist of mostly a bunch of noobs and arrogant twats.
Senate GOP leadership = political juggernauts. This will be a true test for Obama. I'm confident in him though.
RustyNails
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Saving this gif for 2014 election season polling
War were declared.
NYCmetsfan
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Meanwhile the UK gets theirs early
Aaron Strife
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"Closer to the danger zone"
Does he think democrats need a +15 margin on the generic ballot or what
More polls from notorious Rasmussen equivalent, PPP
Same deal as the first batch, with push polling Dems also win MI-08, NJ-03, VA-10, for a total of 8 pickups. Coupled with the last round, that's 22 seats where Democrats are currently leading, and 29 where Democrats are leading after respondents are reminded that their representative is shutting down the government.
As long as OFA campaigns hard and Republicans keep finding ways to screw up going into the next election (which they always have), Democrats will pick up 30 seats.
Arrowgigantic
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NullPointer
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That's promising.
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