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It's hard not to watch Fox News and lose your patience with their grievance industry bullshit. Today's Megyn Kelly whinefest: Obama was the sixth leader to call Israel after the rocket attacks. Sixth! sixxxxxxxxxxth. Our closest ally...that monster in chief.

I bet she's complaining about that soldier in Mexico too, right? Is that a big scandal?

 

[HylianTom]

I love how Rubio and Jindal were both propped up as "the Republican Obama" only to completely implode during their STOU responses.

Both of them, yep. They never get old. I'll be 70, sitting on a park bench somewhere, and I'm going to randomly remember the water incident, and I'm going to giggle at it like it was yesterday. Hehe..

 

[Oblivion]

Explain.

If Republicans are blaming the filthy poors for not working, then that means there's tons of jobs out there, no?

 

[East Lake]

Get in on this scam before it's too late guys.

CYNK now has nearly $6 billion in market capitalization. Which isn't bad for a company you've never heard of. That has 1 employee, no website and nearly no cash to its name. $6 billion for a company which doesn't exist, basically. It's even worse than Cannabis Capital (OTCQB:CBCA) and it will obviously fall 99.9% at some point.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2309115-cynk-technology-is-the-new-scheme-in-town

Here is one theory for why not, from Seeking Alpha. I have no idea if it's true, and I suspect it is at least not the whole explanation for Cynk's rapid and imperturbable rise.1 But it's beautiful, and I'm going to describe it to you in simplified form because for what do we live but to contemplate beautiful financial scams?

First, though, here is a traditional pump-and-dump, in schematic form:

You and I start a company.
It issues 300 million shares, 150 million to me and 150 million to you, for no consideration.
The company has no assets, does nothing, and is worth $0.
On Monday, I sell you 10,000 shares for $1 each. All of a sudden we have a $300 million company.
On Tuesday, you sell me back those 10,000 shares for $2 each. Now we have a $600 million company.
On Wednesday, we find some suckers and say "hey, this $600 million company is poised to take off! It was up 100 percent just yesterday! Get in while there's still value!"
The suckers, being suckers, buy 100,000 shares for $2 each.
Now we have $200,000 of the suckers' money, which we split.
We flee to, I don't know, Belize.

This is a good scam. (I mean, super illegal obviously. But otherwise.) People have been running this scam for centuries, "everyone" knows about it, the SEC warns about it constantly, but you can still sometimes find some people who don't know about it and who fall for it.

Here is a schematic version of the scam that Seeking Alpha describes:

You and I start a company, it issues us 300 million shares, I sell you 10,000 shares at $1, you sell me 10,000 shares at $2, and we have a $600 million company.
We don't even try to find outside suckers to buy the stock because, come on, everyone knows about pump-and-dump scams.
Instead, on Wednesday, we make some of our shares available to brokers to lend out for short sales.
Clever short sellers, who read Seeking Alpha and Zero Hedge and finance Twitter and watch Bloomberg TV, are like "well this is obviously a pump-and-dump scam and can't really be worth $600 million, come on. But of course you can never short those things, there's no stock borrow and it's illegal to do naked short selling. Oh wait -- there's stock borrow here! And it's cheap!"
So the clever short sellers borrow and sell 100,000 shares of stock at $2 each, hoping to profit when it crashes to zero.
By hypothesis, there are no buyers. But we buy. We buy those 100,000 shares for $2 each, laying out $200,000.2
Now we own 300.1 million shares, out of 300 million outstanding.3
On Thursday we go to our brokers and say "you know what, we changed our minds, we want our stock back from whoever you loaned it to."4
So the brokers call in the short sales.
The short sellers can't borrow the stock anywhere else. We own it all. So they have to close out their short sales by buying in the stock.
But they can't buy the stock anywhere else either. We own it all. So they have to buy it from us.
How much do we charge?
Yeah, $15. Or $20 or whatever, I don't know. We can charge whatever we want. If the short sellers don't buy the stock, they're breaking the law. So they'll pay whatever we ask.5
They pay $20 to buy back the shares they sold us at $2, making us a $1.8 million profit.
Belize.

What is so pretty about this scheme is that it doesn't rely on anyone being wrong.6 You never need to find an outside investor to say, "oh hey this nonexistent social network looks like a great buy at $600 million." Instead you just need a few people to say, "wait this nonexistent social network seems terribly overvalued at $600 million and I am going to bet against it." That's ... that's what they're supposed to do, right? Short sellers are supposed to try to root out scams and bet against them. That's good for price efficiency (it keeps down the valuation of scams) and it's good for exposing scams (short sellers have every incentive to expose frauds to the government to drive down the price of the frauds and make money for themselves).

But the "good" short sellers here get hammered, more even than regular pump-and-dump suckers do. I mean, they get hammered in the theoretical story that I just told. They definitely got hammered in the real world of Cynk: Whether or not that story accurately describes Cynk's trading, it does seem (via Zero Hedge) that at least one person is short Cynk, unable to cover now that trading is halted, and paying 12 percent interest to his broker while Cynk is in limbo.7

http://www.bloombergview.com/articl...e-case-for-buying-friends-naked-short-selling

 

[Diablos]

Mitt Romney 2016. I can feel it. He's going for a threepeat.

 

[Joe Molotov]

Mitt Romney 2016. I can feel it. He's going for a threepeat.

Are you feeling the vibrations?

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Mitt Romney 2016. I can feel it. He's going for a threepeat.

Somebody has to be the fall guy.

 

[speculawyer]

Somebody has to be the fall guy.

Fall gal. #draftPalin2016

 

[RustyNails]

Get in on this scam before it's too late guys.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2309115-cynk-technology-is-the-new-scheme-in-town

http://www.bloombergview.com/articl...e-case-for-buying-friends-naked-short-selling

I thought the laws passed after Enron fixed this kind of stupid, deceiving shit?

 

[RustyNails]

I still can't get over how small his water bottle is. He looks like a schoolboy.

 

[B-Dubs]

I still can't get over how small his water bottle is. He looks like a schoolboy.

Maybe they thought that it would make him look like a giant.

 

[kehs]

What I enjoyed most about rubio's splendid rebuttal, is how thirsty liberals were for a scandal.

 

[HylianTom]

Mitt Romney 2016. I can feel it. He's going for a threepeat.

Oh man.. if he runs again, I get to do my imitation of him singing "Who Let the Dogs Out" for another year!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4

 

[Aaron Strife]

It might be interesting to watch the Kansas Senate race. Senator Pat Roberts is facing a tea party challenge and has made a series of dumb gaffes ("I visit every time I have an opponent," saying his kids went to school in Kansas when they really only did for a couple months) that play into the narrative his opponent is trying to build that Roberts is an out-of-touch career politician. I don't think much of anything will really come out of it but if the teabagger somehow managed to win this would enter tossup territory, Kansas is a Republican state but its voters seem to really detest the radical right.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

It might be interesting to watch the Kansas Senate race. Senator Pat Roberts is facing a tea party challenge and has made a series of dumb gaffes ("I visit every time I have an opponent," saying his kids went to school in Kansas when they really only did for a couple months) that play into the narrative his opponent is trying to build that Roberts is an out-of-touch career politician. I don't think much of anything will really come out of it but if the teabagger somehow managed to win this would enter tossup territory, Kansas is a Republican state but its voters seem to really detest the radical right.

No

 

[Aaron Strife]

No

Don't be a dick. If you disagree then make your case.

Kansas is already on its way to electing a Dem governor against an incumbent GOPer.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Don't be a dick. If you disagree then make your case.

Kansas is already on its way to electing a Dem governor against an incumbent GOPer.

I don't think you're familiar with Kansas politics. And I know you're going to bring up Kathleen Sebelius to prove your point but the fact remains that state has changed since Obama became president. A democrat has a 0-10% chance there in the senate.

The tea party is not a liability in states like that. Brownback might go down but that's because he has actual power, and has demonstrated that he's a failure. A senator doesn't have to worry about that as long as he doesn't support Obama, and has actual ties to the state.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Don't be a dick. If you disagree then make your case.

Kansas is already on its way to electing a Dem governor against an incumbent GOPer.

The case is Kansas last elected a democrat for the senate in 1932. There's no reason to believe they're going to elect a dem at all. None. Brownback is in trouble because he's ran the state into the ground and theres no challenge for the republican nomination its a choice between to. Your talking about a primary. If Roberts loses it will mean they want the new guy not that the radicals have taken over against the wishes of the majority.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I don't think you're familiar with Kansas politics. And I know you're going to bring up Kathleen Sebelius to prove your point but the fact remains that state has changed since Obama became president. A democrat has a 0-10% chance there in the senate.

The tea party is not a liability in states like that. Brownback might go down but that's because he has actual power, and has demonstrated that he's a failure. A senator doesn't have to worry about that as long as he doesn't support Obama, and has actual ties to the state.

1) Don't put words in my mouth.

2) You are the last person who should be challenging people on their political analysis.

I don't even think the teabagger will win so it's a moot point. And the teabagger in this race is the GOP equivalent of Alvin Greene.

 

[Wilsongt]

1) Don't put words in my mouth.

2) You are the last person who should be challenging people on their political analysis.

I don't even think the teabagger will win so it's a moot point. And the teabagger in this race is the GOP equivalent of Alvin Greene.

So he'll end up winning?

 

[Aaron Strife]

So he'll end up winning?

Eh, maybe.

 

[Rhomega Beta]

So I went and saw America: Imagine A World Without Her. It starts in Revolutionary War America with a soldier writing to his wife on September 11, 1777. You might think it's supposed to a 9/11 reference, but it's the actual date of the Battle of Brandywine. This is the scenario where George Washington is shot and America is undone. So it's a good thing that Washington survived and won the batt-oh wait, the Americans lost that battle anyway. So D'Souza asks what would it be like if America never existed, if the country fragmented into several pieces, if the Nazis got the atomic bomb first...and doesn't follow up on it.

He quotes Abraham Lincoln (well, there's an actor playing Lincoln), who says the only way America could be destroyed is through itself, referring to people who want America to become socialist, and themes the movie on how liberals (and especially Howard Zinn) are creating a "culture of shame" that indoctrinates people into hating America and wanting to destroy it through socialism, quoting Obama's "Starting today, we need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the remaking of America", which means he's going to make it into an evil socialist state, along with his "Fundamental transformation of America" quote he made during the 2008 election. After all, you guys want to America to be torn down and remade as a socialist government right? No? I thought so.

The movie is essentially split into 3 parts:

1. Indictments against America. This is essentially one big attack on Howard Zinn and his book The People's History of the United States (which I've read part of myself thanks to recommendations from GAF), including scenes from Good Will Hunting and The Sopranos. Oh, and did you know Howard Zinn was a former Communist who left the American Communist Party because it wasn't revolutionary enough? It goes through a list of several grievances against America that claim America has acquired everything through theft and conquest, including...

-Theft of land from Indians. You remember the stories from grade school. We meet Indians, kill them, and take their land as we expand west. However, he points out that most Indians were wiped out by a plague. Some, such as the Sioux, complain how we took "their" land, even though they took the land when they conquered other tribes. We've apparently offered to give them their land back, but they'd rather settle on their new lands. Also mentions Christopher Columbus and the Spanish Conquistadors weren't in the United States, but you all knew that.

-Theft of territory from Mexico from the Mexican-American War, referring to the land as the Lost Province. Several Mexican-Americans were interviewed, saying they weren't Americans, but Mexicans who are living on land that is rightfully theirs. I had never heard of this idea before. Has something to do with illegal immigration or something.

-Slavery. This is the part where D'Souza supposedly says "Slavery wasn't that bad because everyone else is doing it." What he actually is saying is "Don't rag on us like we're the only ones who did it, and besides, we fought a war to end it, so we're on morally superior ground." He goes on to mention that slavery started as indentured servitude for whites, and how many slave owners were black themselves, mostly in Lousiana, so apparently this isn't a race issue...even with the whole "blacks are inferior beings" rhetoric going on at the time. To expand that racism wasn't a thing, he talks about Madam CJ Walker, the first black and female self-made millionaire in the early 1900s. D'Souza says no one talks about her because it goes against the culture of shame of racism.

-Imperialism, aka America Is Trying To Take Over the World. Yeah, you know the claims that we really went to Iraq for oil, and the joke that we'll make up an excuse to invade any country that has oil. There are people claiming we went to Vietnam, Germany, and Japan to steal their resources too, as well as helping coups in Argentina, Iran, and elsewhere. Yeah, I don't believe any of that.

-Theft of the American Dream. You've probably heard of the scene where every worker in a burger joint is played by D'Souza. One would think that this is about income disparity and how workers need to be paid as little as they are for profit. No, he thinks people are complaining about high prices for the consumer, comparing the cost of making a fast-food burger vs. making one at home. He mentions Apple and its iPhone, which is incredible popular, but doesn't mention Apple's wage-fixing. Also, Matt Damon is supposed to be complaining about capitalism and greed, when he's making all this money from the Bourne movies, which people are willing to pay to see anyway. He also interviews a former welfare moocher who was scolded by a person who mentioned God, so she got off her butt, became a Christian, got a job, went to college, got a degree, and became a successful business owner, and if she and Madam CJ Walker can do it, you can do it too, right? Right?

Oh, and there's mention of Tocqueville and how America was made through capitalism and entrepreneurship, not through conquest and looting, as was done through history.

2. Talking about Saul Alinsky, his Rules For Radicals book, his influence penetrating media and the government, including Obama and Hilary Clinton, both of whom associated with Alinsky and are working on his strategy to destroy America by making people hate America and blame Republicans or whatever.

3. Talking about how the government is ruining America through NSA spying, comparing the country to the Panopticon, IRS harassment of conservative organizations (no mentions of liberal organizations), as well as Aaron Schwarz, who broke into MIT computers that were gathering private information on people.

So the message is be proud to be an America, and don't believe the liberal propaganda that America is an evil nation, and socialism is good. I honestly think he makes some good points, and arguments I've never even heard of, but still is fearmongering about the upcoming destruction of America through far-left Alinsky radicals and whatnot.

 

[Diablos]

Marco Rubio: I Can Beat Hillary Clinton
The Huffington Post | By Igor Bobic

Posted: 07/12/2014 11:53 am EDT

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) believes he can defeat Hillary Clinton should the former secretary of state decide to run for president.

"Multiple people can beat her. Hillary Clinton is not unbeatable," he said in a radio interview with conservative host Hugh Hewitt on Friday.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee member, who is widely considered a presidential contender in 2016, said he would challenge Clinton on her record at the State Department.

"I would ask her the question I would ask her now: You were the secretary of state during the first four years of the Obama administration. Name one significant foreign policy achievement, now or after you left," he said.

"The reset with Russia has been a disaster, the Middle East is more unstable today than it's been in I don't know when -- and that's saying a lot -- our relationships in Latin America and democracy has deteriorated in Latin America, the Chinese are increasingly aggressive, our partners around the world view us as less reliable," he said. "Where is the one thing they've done successfully?"

The Florida Republican also commented on LeBron James' decision to return to the Cleveland Cavaliers after four years with the Miami Heat.

"The way I view it, he gave us four extraordinary years in Miami, a very special experience. And on a personal note, he allowed me, along with his teammates, to share with my sons memories they'll treasure for the rest of their lives," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/12/marco-rubio-hillary-clinton_n_5580423.html

 

[thepotatoman]

It might be interesting to watch the Kansas Senate race. Senator Pat Roberts is facing a tea party challenge and has made a series of dumb gaffes ("I visit every time I have an opponent," saying his kids went to school in Kansas when they really only did for a couple months) that play into the narrative his opponent is trying to build that Roberts is an out-of-touch career politician. I don't think much of anything will really come out of it but if the teabagger somehow managed to win this would enter tossup territory, Kansas is a Republican state but its voters seem to really detest the radical right.

Well, I have to give you credit for calling Mississippi as being a worthwhile election to watch, but this one seems a stretch. Neither of them really strikes me as too crazy for Kansas from a quick search and I'm sure either of the could win the general election easy despite a couple of minor gaffes.

Might as well look at something like Georgia instead where there maybe is a tiny chance at a democrat upset.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

So I went and saw America: Imagine A World Without Her. It starts in Revolutionary War America with a soldier writing to his wife on September 11, 1777. You might think it's supposed to a 9/11 reference, but it's the actual date of the Battle of Brandywine. This is the scenario where George Washington is shot and America is undone. So it's a good thing that Washington survived and won the batt-oh wait, the Americans lost that battle anyway. So D'Souza asks what would it be like if America never existed, if the country fragmented into several pieces, if the Nazis got the atomic bomb first...and doesn't follow up on it.

He quotes Abraham Lincoln (well, there's an actor playing Lincoln), who says the only way America could be destroyed is through itself, referring to people who want America to become socialist, and themes the movie on how liberals (and especially Howard Zinn) are creating a "culture of shame" that indoctrinates people into hating America and wanting to destroy it through socialism, quoting Obama's "Starting today, we need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the remaking of America", which means he's going to make it into an evil socialist state, along with his "Fundamental transformation of America" quote he made during the 2008 election. After all, you guys want to America to be torn down and remade as a socialist government right? No? I thought so.

The movie is essentially split into 3 parts:

1. Indictments against America. This is essentially one big attack on Howard Zinn and his book The People's History of the United States (which I've read part of myself thanks to recommendations from GAF), including scenes from Good Will Hunting and The Sopranos. Oh, and did you know Howard Zinn was a former Communist who left the American Communist Party because it wasn't revolutionary enough? It goes through a list of several grievances against America that claim America has acquired everything through theft and conquest, including...

-Theft of land from Indians. You remember the stories from grade school. We meet Indians, kill them, and take their land as we expand west. However, he points out that most Indians were wiped out by a plague. Some, such as the Sioux, complain how we took "their" land, even though they took the land when they conquered other tribes. We've apparently offered to give them their land back, but they'd rather settle on their new lands. Also mentions Christopher Columbus and the Spanish Conquistadors weren't in the United States, but you all knew that.

-Theft of territory from Mexico from the Mexican-American War, referring to the land as the Lost Province. Several Mexican-Americans were interviewed, saying they weren't Americans, but Mexicans who are living on land that is rightfully theirs. I had never heard of this idea before. Has something to do with illegal immigration or something.

-Slavery. This is the part where D'Souza supposedly says "Slavery wasn't that bad because everyone else is doing it." What he actually is saying is "Don't rag on us like we're the only ones who did it, and besides, we fought a war to end it, so we're on morally superior ground." He goes on to mention that slavery started as indentured servitude for whites, and how many slave owners were black themselves, mostly in Lousiana, so apparently this isn't a race issue...even with the whole "blacks are inferior beings" rhetoric going on at the time. To expand that racism wasn't a thing, he talks about Madam CJ Walker, the first black and female self-made millionaire in the early 1900s. D'Souza says no one talks about her because it goes against the culture of shame of racism.

-Imperialism, aka America Is Trying To Take Over the World. Yeah, you know the claims that we really went to Iraq for oil, and the joke that we'll make up an excuse to invade any country that has oil. There are people claiming we went to Vietnam, Germany, and Japan to steal their resources too, as well as helping coups in Argentina, Iran, and elsewhere. Yeah, I don't believe any of that.

-Theft of the American Dream. You've probably heard of the scene where every worker in a burger joint is played by D'Souza. One would think that this is about income disparity and how workers need to be paid as little as they are for profit. No, he thinks people are complaining about high prices for the consumer, comparing the cost of making a fast-food burger vs. making one at home. He mentions Apple and its iPhone, which is incredible popular, but doesn't mention Apple's wage-fixing. Also, Matt Damon is supposed to be complaining about capitalism and greed, when he's making all this money from the Bourne movies, which people are willing to pay to see anyway. He also interviews a former welfare moocher who was scolded by a person who mentioned God, so she got off her butt, became a Christian, got a job, went to college, got a degree, and became a successful business owner, and if she and Madam CJ Walker can do it, you can do it too, right? Right?

Oh, and there's mention of Tocqueville and how America was made through capitalism and entrepreneurship, not through conquest and looting, as was done through history.

2. Talking about Saul Alinsky, his Rules For Radicals book, his influence penetrating media and the government, including Obama and Hilary Clinton, both of whom associated with Alinsky and are working on his strategy to destroy America by making people hate America and blame Republicans or whatever.

3. Talking about how the government is ruining America through NSA spying, comparing the country to the Panopticon, IRS harassment of conservative organizations (no mentions of liberal organizations), as well as Aaron Schwarz, who broke into MIT computers that were gathering private information on people.

So the message is be proud to be an America, and don't believe the liberal propaganda that America is an evil nation, and socialism is good. I honestly think he makes some good points, and arguments I've never even heard of, but still is fearmongering about the upcoming destruction of America through far-left Alinsky radicals and whatnot.

LOL.

but this part pisses me off

-Theft of land from Indians. You remember the stories from grade school. We meet Indians, kill them, and take their land as we expand west. However, he points out that most Indians were wiped out by a plague. Some, such as the Sioux, complain how we took "their" land, even though they took the land when they conquered other tribes. We've apparently offered to give them their land back, but they'd rather settle on their new lands. Also mentions Christopher Columbus and the Spanish Conquistadors weren't in the United States, but you all knew that.

Because its such revisionist horseshit. Also Columbus went to puerto rico and decimated the tainos and he also landed and named the virgin islands. But I guess those don't count as America?

Also

Oh, and there's mention of Tocqueville and how America was made through capitalism and entrepreneurship, not through conquest and looting, as was done through history.

Does any one read Tocqueville? He's not universally positive. In fact he seemed to detested American's all to common self-inflated view of themselves (though he then sometimes thinks it can turn out good.)

 

[HylianTom]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/12/marco-rubio-hillary-clinton_n_5580423.html

I saw that this morning and giggled like a madman. Even if he were to take Florida off the map (rrriiiight..) and cut the Dems' advantage among Hispanic voters, female voters are still going to make this election a laugher.

Really, I'm hoping that 2016 ends-up like 2008 & 2012, where we know all along that the story ends happily and we get some legendary comedic moments along the way. Palin would be my first pick, but Rubio would fit nicely.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/12/marco-rubio-hillary-clinton_n_5580423.html

"Multiple people can beat her"

You ain't one of those people buddy.

 

[RustyNails]

So I went and saw America: Imagine A World Without Her. It starts in Revolutionary War America with a soldier writing to his wife on September 11, 1777. You might think it's supposed to a 9/11 reference, but it's the actual date of the Battle of Brandywine. This is the scenario where George Washington is shot and America is undone. So it's a good thing that Washington survived and won the batt-oh wait, the Americans lost that battle anyway. So D'Souza asks what would it be like if America never existed, if the country fragmented into several pieces, if the Nazis got the atomic bomb first...and doesn't follow up on it.

He quotes Abraham Lincoln (well, there's an actor playing Lincoln), who says the only way America could be destroyed is through itself, referring to people who want America to become socialist, and themes the movie on how liberals (and especially Howard Zinn) are creating a "culture of shame" that indoctrinates people into hating America and wanting to destroy it through socialism, quoting Obama's "Starting today, we need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the remaking of America", which means he's going to make it into an evil socialist state, along with his "Fundamental transformation of America" quote he made during the 2008 election. After all, you guys want to America to be torn down and remade as a socialist government right? No? I thought so.

The movie is essentially split into 3 parts:

1. Indictments against America. This is essentially one big attack on Howard Zinn and his book The People's History of the United States (which I've read part of myself thanks to recommendations from GAF), including scenes from Good Will Hunting and The Sopranos. Oh, and did you know Howard Zinn was a former Communist who left the American Communist Party because it wasn't revolutionary enough? It goes through a list of several grievances against America that claim America has acquired everything through theft and conquest, including...

-Theft of land from Indians. You remember the stories from grade school. We meet Indians, kill them, and take their land as we expand west. However, he points out that most Indians were wiped out by a plague. Some, such as the Sioux, complain how we took "their" land, even though they took the land when they conquered other tribes. We've apparently offered to give them their land back, but they'd rather settle on their new lands. Also mentions Christopher Columbus and the Spanish Conquistadors weren't in the United States, but you all knew that.

-Theft of territory from Mexico from the Mexican-American War, referring to the land as the Lost Province. Several Mexican-Americans were interviewed, saying they weren't Americans, but Mexicans who are living on land that is rightfully theirs. I had never heard of this idea before. Has something to do with illegal immigration or something.

-Slavery. This is the part where D'Souza supposedly says "Slavery wasn't that bad because everyone else is doing it." What he actually is saying is "Don't rag on us like we're the only ones who did it, and besides, we fought a war to end it, so we're on morally superior ground." He goes on to mention that slavery started as indentured servitude for whites, and how many slave owners were black themselves, mostly in Lousiana, so apparently this isn't a race issue...even with the whole "blacks are inferior beings" rhetoric going on at the time. To expand that racism wasn't a thing, he talks about Madam CJ Walker, the first black and female self-made millionaire in the early 1900s. D'Souza says no one talks about her because it goes against the culture of shame of racism.

-Imperialism, aka America Is Trying To Take Over the World. Yeah, you know the claims that we really went to Iraq for oil, and the joke that we'll make up an excuse to invade any country that has oil. There are people claiming we went to Vietnam, Germany, and Japan to steal their resources too, as well as helping coups in Argentina, Iran, and elsewhere. Yeah, I don't believe any of that.

-Theft of the American Dream. You've probably heard of the scene where every worker in a burger joint is played by D'Souza. One would think that this is about income disparity and how workers need to be paid as little as they are for profit. No, he thinks people are complaining about high prices for the consumer, comparing the cost of making a fast-food burger vs. making one at home. He mentions Apple and its iPhone, which is incredible popular, but doesn't mention Apple's wage-fixing. Also, Matt Damon is supposed to be complaining about capitalism and greed, when he's making all this money from the Bourne movies, which people are willing to pay to see anyway. He also interviews a former welfare moocher who was scolded by a person who mentioned God, so she got off her butt, became a Christian, got a job, went to college, got a degree, and became a successful business owner, and if she and Madam CJ Walker can do it, you can do it too, right? Right?

Oh, and there's mention of Tocqueville and how America was made through capitalism and entrepreneurship, not through conquest and looting, as was done through history.

2. Talking about Saul Alinsky, his Rules For Radicals book, his influence penetrating media and the government, including Obama and Hilary Clinton, both of whom associated with Alinsky and are working on his strategy to destroy America by making people hate America and blame Republicans or whatever.

3. Talking about how the government is ruining America through NSA spying, comparing the country to the Panopticon, IRS harassment of conservative organizations (no mentions of liberal organizations), as well as Aaron Schwarz, who broke into MIT computers that were gathering private information on people.

So the message is be proud to be an America, and don't believe the liberal propaganda that America is an evil nation, and socialism is good. I honestly think he makes some good points, and arguments I've never even heard of, but still is fearmongering about the upcoming destruction of America through far-left Alinsky radicals and whatnot.

The movie should have ended with "In 2014 Dinesh D'Souza pleaded guilty to campaign finance fraud for illegally arranging funds for Republicans during elections, and faces up to 2 years in federal prison"

 

[NYCmetsfan]

The movie should have ended with "In 2014 Dinesh D'Souza pleaded guilty to campaign finance fraud for illegally arranging funds for Republicans during elections, and faces up to 2 years in federal prison"

'for a candidate that was never gonna win'

 

[Joe Molotov]

2014: D'Souza's America: Imagine a World Without Him

 

[speculawyer]

Also this week, Gov. Perry laid out some of his ideas about US foreign and national security policy while taking on Rand Paul, the leader among 2016 GOP presidential hopefuls and an outlier among Republicans in how the US deals with the rest of the world.

Writing in The Washington Post, Perry said, “I can understand the emotions behind isolationism.”

“Many people are tired of war, and the urge to pull back is a natural, human reaction,” he wrote. “Unfortunately, we live in a world where isolationist policies would only endanger our national security even further.”

“That’s why it’s disheartening to hear fellow Republicans, such as Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), suggest that our nation should ignore what’s happening in Iraq,” Perry continued. “The main problem with this argument is that it means ignoring the profound threat that the group now calling itself the Islamic State poses to the United States and the world.”

Paul “advocates inaction,” Perry charged, “going so far as to claim … that President Ronald Reagan’s own doctrines would lead him to same conclusion. But his analysis is wrong. Paul conveniently omitted Reagan’s long internationalist record of leading the world with moral and strategic clarity.”

http://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-slams-rand-paul-let-2016-gop-191225475.html

I love the fact that Rick Perry is running for president.

I just hope that Sarah Palin has the courage to run too.

 

[Rhomega Beta]

The movie should have ended with "In 2014 Dinesh D'Souza pleaded guilty to campaign finance fraud for illegally arranging funds for Republicans during elections, and faces up to 2 years in federal prison"

He actually did mention this, and it seems he was implying that the government was working against him.

 

[PhoenixDark]

http://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-slams-rand-paul-let-2016-gop-191225475.html

I love the fact that Rick Perry is running for president.

I just hope that Sarah Palin has the courage to run too.

Perry literally thinks it's 2004. Amazing. That Iraq position will get some pushback in the GOP primaries given how many faux libertarians exist now. Still, I'm starting to wonder if he can win the nomination over my man Scott Walker. His 2012 implosion was largely due to him being medicated to high heaven (he had just had back surgery) and of course being a dumbass. He seems smart enough to do some homework this time (unlike, you know, Sarah Palin). Good speaker, great "jobs record" in Texas, hawks and religious wings like him. Basically the only issue is immigration, which he is in the middle of heel turning on.

 

[B-Dubs]

http://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-slams-rand-paul-let-2016-gop-191225475.html

I love the fact that Rick Perry is running for president.

I just hope that Sarah Palin has the courage to run too.

I know you guys can't see it, but my smile is three miles long right now.

 

[speculawyer]

and themes the movie on how liberals (and especially Howard Zinn) are creating a "culture of shame" that indoctrinates people into hating America and wanting to destroy it through socialism,

But that is not what the left does. I think Al Franken explained this well. A conservative love of country is like child loving their parents and the child loves the parents no matter what they do and who they are . . . even if they do bad things. A liberal love of country is a like marriage wherein you love your spouse but you still see flaws and you try to improve yourself and your spouse to make things better.

quoting Obama's "Starting today, we need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the remaking of America", which means he's going to make it into an evil socialist state, along with his "Fundamental transformation of America" quote he made during the 2008 election. After all, you guys want to America to be torn down and remade as a socialist government right? No? I thought so.

So basically it a strawman movie. I guess when you can't defend your own views and you can't attack your oppositions views . . . then just make shit up and attack it.

However, he points out that most Indians were wiped out by a plague.

Did he mention that we brought that plague? (Although unintentionally.)

-Slavery. This is the part where D'Souza supposedly says "Slavery wasn't that bad because everyone else is doing it." What he actually is saying is "Don't rag on us like we're the only ones who did it, and besides, we fought a war to end it, so we're on morally superior ground."

Yeah, except that we were among the last to give it up. Our colonial masters in England banned slavery decades before we did. I'm no history expert but I bet if qualified historians were consulted they would find out that most of this movie is bullshit.

-Imperialism, aka America Is Trying To Take Over the World. Yeah, you know the claims that we really went to Iraq for oil, and the joke that we'll make up an excuse to invade any country that has oil. There are people claiming we went to Vietnam, Germany, and Japan to steal their resources too, as well as helping coups in Argentina, Iran, and elsewhere. Yeah, I don't believe any of that.

Iraq - Was partially about oil . . . in the sense that we did not want an evil dictator selling that oil so that he could get money and do bad things. Not that we would steal oil.
Vietnam - not resources
Germany - are you fucking kidding me?
Japan - we did restrict their access to resources so they attacked us.
Argentina- not about resources
Iran - Well, this kinda was about resources. But the Brits get a lot of the blame too.

2. Talking about Saul Alinsky, his Rules For Radicals book, his influence penetrating media and the government, including Obama and Hilary Clinton, both of whom associated with Alinsky and are working on his strategy to destroy America by making people hate America and blame Republicans or whatever.

How can he even make such arguments anymore? Obama has been in office for 6 years. Bill Clinton was in office for 8. Did any of that crazy radical shit happen? No. The crazy radical shit came from Bush: slashing taxes to create massive deficits, starting needless wars, ignoring climate change, etc.

So the message is be proud to be an America, and don't believe the liberal propaganda that America is an evil nation, and socialism is good. I honestly think he makes some good points, and arguments I've never even heard of, but still is fearmongering about the upcoming destruction of America through far-left Alinsky radicals and whatnot.

Meh. He's full of shit as usual. Liberals don't say America is an evil nation. But they do point out when we believe we make mistakes. That is maturity. It is childish to try to whitewash history to claim everything we do is good. It delusional and blind-faith jingoism and nationalism nonsense like that which gets people into trouble.

Spoiler

Resist urge to go Godwin.

 

[Rhomega Beta]

Because its such revisionist horseshit. Also Columbus went to puerto rico and decimated the tainos and he also landed and named the virgin islands. But I guess those don't count as America?

Nope. It has to specifically be about Americans conquering Indians.

Did he mention that we brought that plague? (Although unintentionally.)

No. Cracked mentions the plague as well, setting in before the Pilgrims even landed.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html

Oh, and did I mention Obama's "You didn't build that" speech was also about how America stole and conquered everything?

 

[speculawyer]

Oh, and did I mention Obama's "You didn't build that" speech was also about how America stole and conquered everything?

So his speech that was about "You did build that business but you built it using the roads, postal service, police service, utility service, justice system, education system, etc. that we ALL BUILT . . . really meant America stole and conquered everything?

The guy is a real douche.

 

[Rhomega Beta]

So his speech that was about "You did build that business but you built it using the roads, postal service, police service, utility service, justice system, education system, etc. that we ALL BUILT . . . really meant America stole and conquered everything?

The guy is a real douche.

Actually, he cut out all the stuff about public service, and just left in the "You didn't build that" part.

 

[thepotatoman]

Actually, he cut out all the stuff about public service, and just left in the "You didn't build that" part.

Did he also include "at this point what difference does it make" and "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" as well?

 

[Rhomega Beta]

No mention of Benghazi or Obamacare, except the "If you like your plan/doctor, you can keep it" line. In fact, I don't think there was any archive footage of Hilary, and just talked about her past with Alinsky.

I did forget about Elizabeth Warren's speech about public utility, and counters that we all pay for and use it, but paying more taxes doesn't get you better/faster service.

 

[eBay Huckster]

"Multiple people can beat her"

You ain't one of those people buddy.

"Multiple people can beat her"

...and all of those people are Democrats.

 

[Joe Molotov]

I don't think there was any archive footage of Hilary, and just talked about her past with Alinsky.

He's gotta save something for 2024: Hilary's America.

 

[Oblivion]

Actually, he cut out all the stuff about public service, and just left in the "You didn't build that" part.

You don't say.

But that is not what the left does. I think Al Franken explained this well. A conservative love of country is like child loving their parents and the child loves the parents no matter what they do and who they are . . . even if they do bad things. A liberal love of country is a like marriage wherein you love your spouse but you still see flaws and you try to improve yourself and your spouse to make things better. .[/SPOILER]

I thought it was the reverse of the conservatives view. That liberals love America the way a parent loves a child?

 

[TacticalFox88]

I saw that this morning and giggled like a madman. Even if he were to take Florida off the map (rrriiiight..) and cut the Dems' advantage among Hispanic voters, female voters are still going to make this election a laugher.

Really, I'm hoping that 2016 ends-up like 2008 & 2012, where we know all along that the story ends happily and we get some legendary comedic moments along the way. Palin would be my first pick, but Rubio would fit nicely.

2016 is going to be legendary.

A Black Man and a woman consecutively in the highest office in the land?

LAWD

 

[Diablos]

Rubio's quotes always sound like they come from a 6th grader on the field during gym class or some shit.

MULTIPLE PPL CAN BEAT HER LOL.

He's that really annoying, stupid kid who won't shut the fuck up.

 

[Drakeon]

Guys, do we have to accept the fact that Hillary is going to win? Because I'd really prefer to vote for someone else. I mean, I'll hold my nose and vote for her if I have to, but I won't really like it.

 

[Tarkus]

http://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-slams-rand-paul-let-2016-gop-191225475.html

I love the fact that Rick Perry is running for president.

I just hope that Sarah Palin has the courage to run too.

It's doesn't matter who runs. This guy will be the nominee

Spoiler

no more Bushes please!

:

 

[Arrowgigantic]

Guys, do we have to accept the fact that Hillary is going to win? Because I'd really prefer to vote for someone else. I mean, I'll hold my nose and vote for her if I have to, but I won't really like it.

I will absolutely not vote for her in the primary. Nothing against her as far as her abilities or personality goes, I just find the idea of a close relative of a former president becoming president to be really stupid in a country with 300 million people to choose from.

Will absolutely vote for her if she's the Dem nominee, though.

 

[Drakeon]

I will absolutely not vote for her in the primary. Nothing against her as far as her abilities or personality goes, I just find the idea of a close relative of a former president becoming president to be really stupid in a country with 300 million people to choose from.

Will absolutely vote for her if she's the Dem nominee, though.

Oh I don't give a shit that she's related to Bill, but boy is she way too conservative for my tastes. She's more conservative then Obama (who's also too conservative for me). But I highly doubt Warren runs (let alone wins). But please just give me someone else to vote for in the primary.

 

[Tarkus]

Oh I don't give a shit that she's related to Bill, but boy is she way too conservative for my tastes. She's more conservative then Obama (who's also too conservative for me). But I highly doubt Warren runs (let alone wins). But please just give me someone else to vote for in the primary.

Biden maybe?