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[Jooney]

What a hero he is to stand up against Obama's black riders. From the heartlands of Rohan to the small business owners of Bree, all Real Middle-Earthers are proud of our Supreme Court.

Oh, are these the same Real Middle-Earthers whose lands are kept safe by the blood of bla..hh people?

 

[kingkitty]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| We're Really Just Waiting For The 2016 Election

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2014 is straight to dvd

 

[RustyNails]

The funny thing is the fear of Islam completely ignores the largest Islamic countries like India, Indonesia and turkey or the millions of Muslims in the UK, Canada, US voting for secular parties like the Democrats, NDP and Labour.

Like I said before the problem is Islamism which is a political ideology that justifies it self from the religion but isn't the religions fault as the billions who don't subscribe to it can attest.

Most of the laymen in Muslim countries don't know or care much about Islamism other than diehard party supporters and ideologues, the same characters who rile the masses whenever there's a cartoon of Muhammad or something else to bring the pitchforks out. Political Islam as practiced in nation states is half assed and broken, and never proven to work. It arose shortly after the downfall of the Ottoman caliphate from Egypt (Hasan al Banna founder of the brotherhood) as a reactionary political force against the western democracies. It was supposed to replace the Caliphate as the pan-Arab movement. Almost all of the countries that practice it in some form are repressive police states, like Jordan or Saudi Arabia.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Most of the laymen in Muslim countries don't know or care much about Islamism other than diehard party supporters and ideologues, the same characters who rile the masses whenever there's a cartoon of Muhammad or something else to bring the pitchforks out. Political Islam as practiced in nation states is half assed and broken, and never proven to work. It arose shortly after the downfall of the Ottoman caliphate from Egypt (Hasan al Banna founder of the brotherhood) as a reactionary political force against the western democracies. It was supposed to replace the Caliphate as the pan-Arab movement. Almost all of the countries that practice it in some form are repressive police states, like Jordan or Saudi Arabia.

Exactly because its often times antithetical to how islam is practiced culturally and practically.

Islamism is a political response to the west, its better categorized with Communism, Fascism, Totaltarianism, Democracy, Monarcy than with religion. .

 

[benjipwns]

The Pan-Arab movement and Islamist movements were pretty different.

I mean, what with the one only being for Arabs and all.

The Pan-Arab movement was ascendant initially because it was arguably "easier" (and the more powerful states like Egypt were Arab) but after the Six Days War it was basically killed off, then the Islamic Revolution in Iran more or less gave Islamism defacto control over the ideological vacuum in the region.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

The Pan-Arab movement and Islamist movements were pretty different.

I mean, what with the one only being for Arabs and all.

The Pan-Arab movement was ascendant initially because it was arguably "easier" (and the more powerful states like Egypt were Arab) but after the Six Days War it was basically killed off, then the Islamic Revolution in Iran more or less gave Islamism defacto control over the ideological vacuum in the region.

I don't disagree. They both were responses to the west and colonialism, one was to model themselves on the west, one sought to reject the west (but paradoxically more like the west than they'd like). They're siblings birthed from the same crisis.

 

[benjipwns]

I was replying to Rusty, look at our post times. Your fault.

You can make up for it by renouncing the legitimacy of the state.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I was replying to Rusty, look at our post times. Your fault.

 

[RustyNails]

The Pan-Arab movement and Islamist movements were pretty different.

I mean, what with the one only being for Arabs and all.

The Pan-Arab movement was ascendant initially because it was arguably "easier" (and the more powerful states like Egypt were Arab) but after the Six Days War it was basically killed off, then the Islamic Revolution in Iran more or less gave Islamism defacto control over the ideological vacuum in the region.

Baathism and Nasserism were secular in nature. Col. Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein were it's chief proponents, and they tried to unify the Arabs under a single banner for decades. Pan Arab movements tried to unify the countries based on ethnic heritage, but when that didn't work out, Islamist ideology was seen as the unifying factor and it slowly replaced the old ideologies as the unifying and prevailing singular Arab polity. But yeah the Islamic revolution (and the Iran Iraq war) spread the Islamism among other countries.

 

[benjipwns]

As secular as Nasser, Gaddafi and Hussein were, it didn't take much for them to suddenly start spouting passages from the Quran to shore up support. Or stick phrases on the flag.

Nasser less so because he didn't live to see the Islamic Revolution.

The Islamists were just in a weaker position when the West pulled out, and nationalism always works best. The Communists found the same thing out when they tried to spread a global ideology. (Which I think contributed to the nationalist stage of the Middle East since they were almost all "officially" socialists initially.) Gaddafi even copied Mao while dabbling in Tito.

 

[RustyNails]

As secular as Nasser, Gaddafi and Hussein were, it didn't take much for them to suddenly start spouting passages from the Quran to shore up support. Or stick phrases on the flag.

Nasser less so because he didn't live to see the Islamic Revolution.

The Islamists were just in a weaker position when the West pulled out, and nationalism always works best. The Communists found the same thing out when they tried to spread a global ideology. (Which I think contributed to the nationalist stage of the Middle East since they were almost all "officially" socialists initially.) Gaddafi even copied Mao while dabbling in Tito.

Sort of like when talk of Small Government doesn't work, you tend to say things like Jesus was a venture capitalist too.

 

[Oblivion]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| I never believed in evolution anyway.
PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Poligaffers are people too!
PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Wait, we only had 1 thread so far this year??

 

[thepotatoman]

Wait, we only had one thread this year? What a boring year in politics. Crazy year in world news, but not so much in politics.

 

[bananas]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| A Fanged Threat to Freedom on Fox News

 

[benjipwns]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| A Republican Senate will get to the bottom of Benghazi.

 

[Wilsongt]

53% of people recently polled by Fox News want to kick California out of the union, followed by Maryland, Texas, and Florida.

PoliGAF 2014 |OT| 9 out of 10 Diablos' say the nation is doomed

 

[Lord Fagan]

Good evening, everyone. Sorry I'm showing up so late, but I was told elsewhere on GAF that this was a thread I should start posting in. Any room for a radical centrist hellbent on civil revolution?

In fact, now that I think about it...


PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Any room for a radical centrist hellbent on civil revolution?

 

[Oblivion]

53% of people recently polled by Fox News want to kick California out of the union, followed by Maryland, Texas, and Florida.

That's absolutely stunning.

Spoiler

Conservatives actually want to stay within the union?

 

[Wilsongt]

That's absolutely stunning.

Spoiler

Conservatives actually want to stay within the union?

In addition, Republicans (12 percent) and independents (13 percent) are three times as likely as Democrats (4 percent) to want their state to secede. Nearly one in four voters who are part of the Tea Party movement would vote for their state to split off (23 percent).

And Texas is allowed to move forward with their dumbshit abortion restrictions

A federal appeals court Thursday gave Texas permission to fully enforce a sweeping abortion law signed by Republican Gov. Rick Perry last year that would effectively close all but seven abortion facilities in America's second-most populous state.

Two years ago, Texas had more than 40 abortion facilities. Many clinics have already closed under a part of the law requiring doctors who perform abortions to obtain hospital admitting privileges, and now more than a dozen remaining clinics are set to shutter as well.

The decision by a panel of the 5th U.S. Circuit Court in New Orleans wipes out what was a fleeting victory for abortion rights groups — a lower court in August blocking requirements of the law that say clinics must meet hospital-level operating standards to stay in business.

The ruling is only a stay pending a full appeal, but the court wrote that Texas is likely to prevail. If it does, the clinics would have to make costly upgrades to meet the new standards and reopen.

 

[benjipwns]

I've always found that an interesting constitutional question. The Civil War "settled" the question of states leaving voluntarily, but what's the procedure for Congress kicking a state out?

 

[Wilsongt]

I've always found that an interesting constitutional question. The Civil War "settled" the question of states leaving voluntarily, but what's the procedure for Congress kicking a state out?

There is none. Has to be voted and agreed upon by Congress.

Edit: I, for one, would be more than happy to side with Congress on kicking out Mississippi.

 

[benjipwns]

The Constitution says no new states can be formed out of current states, but if we merged say South Dakota into North Dakota is that a "new state"?

I guess that would come down to whether or not we were reducing the GOP's share of Senate Seats or not I suppose.

 

[benjipwns]

Good evening, everyone. Sorry I'm showing up so late, but I was told elsewhere on GAF that this was a thread I should start posting in. Any room for a radical centrist hellbent on civil revolution?

In fact, now that I think about it...


PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Any room for a radical centrist hellbent on civil revolution?

I think what everyone wants is for you and me to discuss coercion for a 40 posts or so.

 

[pigeon]

I think what everyone wants is for you and me to discuss coercion for a 40 posts or so.

Spoiler alert: we are all in favor of it.

 

[benjipwns]

Spoiler alert: we are all in favor of it.

No, no, I think we need to take a head count, after laying out the arguments on both sides. I'm sure some people have switched.

And if there's a majority against it, we can't enforce it against those in favor.

 

[RustyNails]

Good evening, everyone. Sorry I'm showing up so late, but I was told elsewhere on GAF that this was a thread I should start posting in. Any room for a radical centrist hellbent on civil revolution?

In fact, now that I think about it...


PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Any room for a radical centrist hellbent on civil revolution?

PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Don't listen to Benjipwns talking about coercion

 

[Oblivion]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| The thousand years of darkness tragically ends after year 2

 

[Lord Fagan]

Wow. Just a few posts in and I'm already terribly confused. This is where I belong!

 

[NYCmetsfan]

The Constitution says no new states can be formed out of current states, but if we merged say South Dakota into North Dakota is that a "new state"?

I guess that would come down to whether or not we were reducing the GOP's share of Senate Seats or not I suppose.

Isn't the prohibition on them doing it without the state's consent?

but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

That's how West Virginia formed. They pretended they were the Virginia legislature (they weren't, the other guys just didn't show up) and voted to let west Virginia go which congress, now without southern congressmen present consented to! Democracy!

 

[benjipwns]

Couldn't the federal government just declare the states to be in rebellion thus kicking them out of Congress, enact military government over them and then dissolve them with the consent of the appointed state legislatures?

 

[B-Dubs]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| What's the election matter when we've all been killed by Ebola/ISIL?

 

[benjipwns]

Thanks to Muslim President Obola.

 

[Oblivion]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| We got room for one more conservative!

 

[Wilsongt]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| We got room for one more conservative!

No we don't. No more hoes. No more.

 

[pigeon]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| We got room for one more conservative!

I'm actually excited. With Metaphoreus, benji, and apparently a radical centrist, this may be the most diverse PoliGAF has ever been.

 

[benjipwns]

You spelled his name wrong.

 

[RustyNails]

I'm actually excited. With Metaphoreus, benji, and apparently a radical centrist, this may be the most diverse PoliGAF has ever been.

Hoping none of them start ending their posts with "secession soon" and end up getting perma banned.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Have you tried turning Congress off and on again?

 

[Wilsongt]

|OT| Road to Impeachment. Thanks, Obama.

 

[benjipwns]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Nate Silver is Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos all in one

 

[Metaphoreus]

You spelled his name wrong.

Yeah, I'm a bit offended that he didn't think up a clever misspelling.

I think my favorite is metamorphing time. Maybe that should be the title of every post I make in this thread from now on.

Starting now.

 

[Oblivion]

Yeah, I'm a bit offended that he didn't think up a clever misspelling.

I think my favorite is metamorphing time. Maybe that should be the title of every post I make in this thread from now on.

Starting now.

Ooh, lemme guess, your transformation animal's a mastodon, right?

 

[pigeon]

See, this shit is how conventional political norms become worn with use until they transform into norms that bear little resemblance to contemporary life.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

PoliGAF 2014 |OT2| Nate Silver is Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos all in one

I have no idea what this is a reference too.jpg

 

[Oblivion]

I have no idea what this is a reference too.jpg

They make up the Fates from Greek mythology. The goddesses who are responsible for how long every human lives. They have a loom that holds the threads which represent each human life. Clotho spins the thread, Lachesis measures it, and Atropos cuts it (at which point, the human dies.

 

[benjipwns]

They decide destiny with their work, just as Nate Silver does.

 

[Metaphoreus]

Ooh, lemme guess, your transformation animal's a mastodon, right?

I'm trying to decide whether this is an allusion to Animorphs or Power Rangers.

Either way, I'd be OK with a mastodon.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

They make up the Fates from Greek mythology. The goddesses who are responsible for how long every human lives. They have a loom that holds the threads which represent each human life. Clotho spins the thread, Lachesis measures it, and Atropos cuts it (at which point, the human dies.

If they were the furies I would have recognized them.

Spoiler

I just finished god of war ascension

I'm trying to decide whether this is an allusion to Animorphs or Power Rangers.

Either way, I'd be OK with a mastodon.

that'd be more power rangers.

animorphs you have to like capture an animal or something. there's slugs in there or something

edit: you have to touch them. thanks wikipedia!

 

[benjipwns]

If they were the furies I would have recognized them.

Spoiler

I just finished god of war ascension

So you haven't played II.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

So you haven't played II.

are the fates in there? The story was crap I was like half paying attention. There were like no gods. false advertising,

we should democratically seize the means of sony santa monica's productions.