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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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NYCmetsfan

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speculawyer said:
Did you catch Maddow's opener last night on Gov. Patrick McCrory, Duke Energy, and the coal ash spill?

The US attorneys are looking into the fact that the state of North Carolina is not doing a damn thing to really go after Duke Energy . . . the company that formerly employed McCrory and donated $1 million to his campaign. He could be the next GOPer Governor gone wild to find himself in trouble.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/02/13/3619273/feds-launch-investigation-into.html
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NC right? Bad news for you know who

I imagine its a lot harder to find evidence of not investigating than a more overt quid pro quo. But I'm sure someone was stupid enough to possibly leave an email
 
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speculawyer

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APKmetsfan said:
NC right? Bad news for you know who

I imagine its a lot harder to find evidence of not investigating than a more overt quid pro quo. But I'm sure someone was stupid enough to possibly leave an email
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Yeah hopefully they can find some kind of smoking gun.

But as is, the facts on the face are just ridiculous. They donate massively to his campaign and he used to work there. They spill coal ash all over the place. Environmentalists file suit to get them clean up. Then the state files a suit which takes over the suits from the environmentalists and they settle with just asking Duke to study the issue and five digit fine . . . no clean-up. How more corrupt can that be? It is like the local district attorney's brother shot someone but the DA decides not to prosecute his brother or charges him with some minor offence.
 
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Trouble

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speculawyer said:
Yeah hopefully they can find some kind of smoking gun.

But as is, the facts on the face are just ridiculous. They donate massively to his campaign and he used to work there. They spill coal ash all over the place. Environmentalists file suit to get them clean up. Then the state files a suit which takes over the suits from the environmentalists and they settle with just asking Duke to study the issue and five digit fine . . . no clean-up. How more corrupt can that be? It is like the local district attorney's brother shot someone but the DA decides not to prosecute his brother or charges him with some minor offence.
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I really hope people go to jail over this. An example needs to be made.
 
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WayneMorse

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speculawyer said:
Did you catch Maddow's opener last night on Gov. Patrick McCrory, Duke Energy, and the coal ash spill?

The US attorneys are looking into the fact that the state of North Carolina is not doing a damn thing to really go after Duke Energy . . . the company that formerly employed McCrory and donated $1 million to his campaign. He could be the next GOPer Governor gone wild to find himself in trouble.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/02/13/3619273/feds-launch-investigation-into.html
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Oh North Carolina, how could you go from a moderate blue state in 2008 to an insane Tea Party hell hole only four years later? I mean, I know it's a swing state but you've got some fucking true believers in the state senate over there.
 
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Wilsongt

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WayneMorse said:
Oh North Carolina, how could you go from a moderate blue state in 2008 to an insane Tea Party hell hole only four years later? I mean, I know it's a swing state but you've got some fucking true believers in the state senate over there.
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Only took about a year for the tea party to destroy years of progress.
 
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Aaron Strife

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WayneMorse said:
Oh North Carolina, how could you go from a moderate blue state in 2008 to an insane Tea Party hell hole only four years later? I mean, I know it's a swing state but you've got some fucking true believers in the state senate over there.
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I would hardly call it "moderate blue state" in 2008.

Kerry chose the sitting senator of the state - highly popular at the time - as his VP and got blown out 56-43.

Obama winning was a huge aberration.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
APKmetsfan said:
This is a neat idea

Three Smart Things Conservatives Wrote This Week
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This part:
His interviews with porn stars and brothel proprietors illustrate the dark side of the sexual revolution — as sex becomes liberated, it also becomes commodified, to the detriment of men and women alike:
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isn't wrong, but I feel like it misses the broader point. The problem isn't just that even sex becomes commodified, the problem is that everything meaningful becomes commodified. And the perpetrator isn't really sexual liberation, its the sociopolitical system that transforms everything into commodities, which includes capitalism but is much bigger then just that simple label.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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The Technomancer said:
This part:


isn't wrong, but I feel like it misses the broader point. The problem isn't just that even sex becomes commodified, the problem is that everything meaningful becomes commodified. And the perpetrator isn't really sexual liberation, its the sociopolitical system that transforms everything into commodities, which includes capitalism but is much bigger then just that simple label.
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I don't think he's saying everything is right but just these arguments are actual intelligent arguments and not just half truths and benghazi
 
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Black Mamba

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Holy shit @ that proposed Kansas law. Is there a thread on this?


edit:

Tom Perkins suggested Thursday that only taxpayers should have the right to vote -- and that wealthy Americans who pay more in taxes should get more votes.
The venture capitalist offered the unorthodox proposal when asked to name one idea that would "change the world" at a speaking engagement in San Francisco moderated by Fortune's Adam Lashinsky.

"The Tom Perkins system is: You don't get to vote unless you pay a dollar of taxes," Perkins said.

"But what I really think is, it should be like a corporation. You pay a million dollars in taxes, you get a million votes. How's that?"

The audience at the Commonwealth Club reacted with laughter. But Perkins offered no immediate indication that he was joking. Asked offstage if the proposal was serious, Perkins said: "I intended to be outrageous, and it was."
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The gift that keeps on giving.
 
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Black Mamba

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APKmetsfan said:
Lol at the ted cruz dude in house of cards
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No Spoilers damn it!



"The fear is wealth tax, higher taxes, higher death taxes -- just more taxes until there is no more 1%. And that that will creep down to the 5% and then the 10%," he said.
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The Technomancer

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APKmetsfan said:
I don't think he's saying everything is right but just these arguments are actual intelligent arguments and not just half truths and benghazi
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Fair enough, but I think that the commodification of sex is a natural byproduct of the very market driven society that is usually defended by conservatives. I mean, complaining about how cultural aspects become commodified feels a little...ironic?
 
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East Lake

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RustyNails said:
How do you respond to climate change deniers who cite the Ice Age as the whole thing being cyclical and natural?
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Probably the easiest way to frustrate people who have no technical knowledge of a subject is to keep asking questions until they can't answer them anymore. Stuff like when was the last ice age cycle? If they answer ask them how long it lasted. If they answer that ask them about global temperature ranges during the ice age, and continue on. The regular joe can answer maybe one or two if they're well read.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Guys, old Diamond Joe is at it again. The headline is funny, but he's throwing out truth bombs!

Joe Biden: 'There Isn't A Republican Party'

Vice President Joe Biden seized on disorganization in the GOP to rally House Democrats on Friday at a policy conference in Maryland.

"There isn’t a Republican Party. I wish there were, I wish there was a Republican Party," Biden said. "I wish there was one person we could sit across the table from, make a deal, make a compromise and know when you got up from that table it was done."

"All you had to do was look at the response to the State of the Union, what were there, three or four?" he added. "I'm not being facetious."

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rogers (R-WA) gave the official GOP response to President Barack Obama's address last month, but Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) all gave individual responses that bore few similarities to the vision laid out Rogers' address.

Biden was also optimistic about Democrats' prospects in midterm elections, assuring the House Democratic caucus that middle class voters prefer their party over the GOP on almost every major issue.
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Dude isn't wrong, as we all already know.
 
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WayneMorse

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US issues 'cannabis cash' guidelines to banks

The US government has offered guidance to banks that want to accept deposits from marijuana sellers, lowering their risk of prosecution.

The move is intended to enable cannabis sellers in states with medical or legal marijuana to access banking services.

Currently, sellers deal almost entirely in cash, increasing the risk of robbery and the ease of money laundering.

Colorado and Washington State voted in 2012 to legalise cannabis. Other states are expected soon to follow.

"We hope today's guidance will give banks the comfort they need to begin doing business with the legal marijuana industry in Colorado," Michael Elliott, executive director of the Marijuana Industry Group, a trade organisation, said in a statement.

The changes out of Washington DC reflect the shift in political attitudes toward the drug, says the BBC's Rajini Vaidyanathan in Washington.

At present, federally insured banks which take deposits from the proceeds of marijuana sales risk drug racketeering charges.
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Could you imagine a President Romney Justice Department doing this?
 
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GhaleonEB

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B-Dubs said:
That's some big news. Only a matter of time at this rate.
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Obama's approach to legalization reminds me of his approach to gay marriage in the first 2-3 years of his administration, when they advanced it in baby steps via federal policy even when he wasn't yet in support of it. As then he's not in public support of legalization but slowly paving the road for it. I think he knows which way the wind is blowing and knows it's futile to stand in the way, so he's letting it move forward by getting out of the way.
 
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B-Dubs

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GhaleonEB said:
Obama's approach to legalization reminds me of his approach to gay marriage in the first 2-3 years of his administration, when they advanced it in baby steps via federal policy even when he wasn't yet in support of it. As then he's not in public support of legalization but slowly paving the road for it. I think he knows which way the wind is blowing and knows it's futile to stand in the way, so he's letting it move forward by getting out of the way.
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Until Biden comes out for it in a random interview one summer, right?

I do agree with his process on this though. If he came out for it then the entire GOP would fight against it tooth and nail, this way he can usher it along without a huge fight.
 
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PhoenixDark

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GhaleonEB said:
Obama's approach to legalization reminds me of his approach to gay marriage in the first 2-3 years of his administration, when they advanced it in baby steps via federal policy even when he wasn't yet in support of it. As then he's not in public support of legalization but slowly paving the road for it. I think he knows which way the wind is blowing and knows it's futile to stand in the way, so he's letting it move forward by getting out of the way.
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True but I just don't see Obama calling for legalization. I just can't imagine a black president getting away with that. Obviously he doesn't have to worry about re-election but still...
 
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B-Dubs

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PhoenixDark said:
True but I just don't see Obama calling for legalization. I just can't imagine a black president getting away with that. Obviously he doesn't have to worry about re-election but still...
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If he did it would set legalization back at least a decade. We aren't in a position where him coming out for it would do any good.
 
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Chichikov

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WayneMorse said:
US issues 'cannabis cash' guidelines to banks



Could you imagine a President Romney Justice Department doing this?
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About fucking time.
I knew some people who were operating legal dispensaries and the fact that they had to operate as a cash only business made their lives very difficult for no good reason.
Weed will be legal on the federal level in 5 years anyway, Obama should just change its scheduling through executive order.
People talk about legacy, he do that, and he'll have the all best strains named after him forever
(unlike now, when he only have some of the best strains)
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B-Dubs said:
If he did it would set legalization back at least a decade. We aren't in a position where him coming out for it would do any good.
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Doubt it.
People aren't scared of weed anymore and he can frame it as a state rights issue, and considering that it's supported by majority of Americans and large majority of young people, it will be politically retarded run against it.
But is the GOP want to play that game, please proceed.
 
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B-Dubs

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Chichikov said:
About fucking time.
I knew some people who were operating legal dispensaries and the fact that they had to operate as a cash only business made their lives very difficult for no good reason.
Weed will be legal on the federal level in 5 years anyway, Obama should just change its scheduling through executive order.
People talk about legacy, he do that, and he'll have the all best strains named after him forever
(unlike now, when he only have some of the best strains)
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Doubt it.
But the GOP want to play that game, please proceed.
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The GOP would fight it tooth and nail, the younger generations would be on Obama's side but people over the age of 40 wouldn't. It would be like what happened with the ACA only worse because there's decades of misinformation to dispel.

I agree that it should be legal, and that it will likely happen in 5 years should the Dems keep the White House, but Obama isn't going to be the guy to do it.
 
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Chichikov

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B-Dubs said:
The GOP would fight it tooth and nail, the younger generations would be on Obama's side but people over the age of 40 wouldn't. It would be like what happened with the ACA only worse because there's decades of misinformation to dispel.

I agree that it should be legal, and that it will likely happen in 5 years should the Dems keep the White House, but Obama isn't going to be the guy to do it.
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Majority of the people 50-64 support it.
And again, Obama doesn't need to come and say "free weed for everyone", he need to say that the federal ban is over and that states should handle that issue as they see fit.
I really don't see anyone mounting an effective political campaign against that move, especially when the GOP has a huuuuuuge youth vote problem.
 
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PhoenixDark

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This is definitely an issue where the GOP's currently libertarian flirting has its benefits - Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and others have been quite open on drug issues, especially mandatory minimum sentencing. The problem is that Obama (or Eric Holder) touching these issues automatically turns into a race thing, and leads to tired but effective "war on drugs" rhetoric. And while the more libertarian leaning republicans are fine with it, there's a far larger group who is more than willing to throw mud.
 
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Chichikov

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Samarecarm said:
I think it's fairly obvious that, yeah, it's his move ... but it feels ultimately pointless to me because the DRONES DRONES DRONES crowd would never give him any credit for it.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I consider myself a card holding member of the DRONES DRONES DRONES crowd (that is to say I think his use of drones is criminal and border on the impeachable) but I totally give him credit when I think credit is due.
Though I honestly think in this situation, it would be wise to remove the federal ban, though I wouldn't fault him too much if he decides to do that after the mid-terms (I think it something that is easier for a lame duck to do).
 
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RustyNails

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I think Obama just changing the schedule of pot offense is gonna kick up a firestorm from limbaugh, hannity, coulter etc. Its probably better if he does it in 2016 to rally the base.
 
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Drakeon

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RustyNails said:
I think Obama just changing the schedule of pot offense is gonna kick up a firestorm from limbaugh, hannity, coulter etc. Its probably better if he does it in 2016 to rally the base.
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It is fucking ridiculous that Pot is still a schedule 1 drug. I understand why Obama can't change it, but the fact that it was left a schedule 1 drug this long is just really goddamn crazy.
 
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thepotatoman

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Speaking of "DRONES DRONES DRONES", Jeremy Scahill & Glenn Greenwald recently had a fantastic article about how indiscriminate the JOSC really is in drone bombing, often relying on meta data and sim card location tracking as literally the only two pieced of information used to carry out a hit. And even if that data was correct to use, the use of cluster bombs insuring the deaths of civilians isn't.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/02/10/the-nsas-secret-role/

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan turned out to clearly be a mistake, and I really doubt that history will see the quasi war in Pakistan and Yemen as anything but a mistake either. Killing civilians in other countries to get at potential combatants is only going to create more combatents. I don't think a few people on the other side of the world are more scary than a whole country that has a huge hatred towards us for freaking bombing their citizens.
 
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Chichikov

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RustyNails said:
I think Obama just changing the schedule of pot offense is gonna kick up a firestorm from limbaugh, hannity, coulter etc. Its probably better if he does it in 2016 to rally the base.
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Nah, I think it's a done deal and everyone knows it, even idiots like Hannity.
It's hard to start a shitsotrm when it's already legal in parts of the country and nothing bad happened, it's done, book it, or in other words...

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Zero-Crescent

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zero shift said:
Is it true that cable prices have risen over the years? Heard it on Real-Time.
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Yeah, the FCC released some statistics recently, there's a NYT article on it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/15/b...bills-keep-rising.html?hpw&rref=business&_r=0
According to statistics collected annually by the Federal Communications Commission, the price paid by consumers for expanded basic cable service has grown at more than twice the rate of inflation annually over the last 17 years. Cable companies say that is because they are offering more services in each package, which causes the overall price to rise. The per-channel price, they argue, has declined.

“Where we might have had 100 standard-definition channels in a package more than a decade ago, today you have 250 standard-definition channels plus 100 channels in high definition,” Mr. Cohen, who oversees Comcast’s relationship with regulators in Washington, said in an interview Friday. “The level of service being provided is night and day.” That means as much or more to consumers as the dollar figure on their monthly bills, he said.

“I think consumers are going to benefit from this transaction,” Mr. Cohen added. “They’re going to benefit by quality of service, by quality of offerings, by technological innovation, and I don’t believe there’s any way to argue that they’re going to be hurt from a price perspective as a result of this transaction.”
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*chortle* at the second paragraph. EDIT: Had to add the third paragraph for more *chortles*
 
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