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[hipsterpants]

Thanks for the responses. I was wondering if you could identify a chain of more progressive youth > elect Obama > right wing goes insane > progressive moment grows in response.

Maybe it's just because I am one of those super-liberal Millenials, but seeing how things like the internet and terrible conservative policies has shaped the views of those around me just seems really fascinating.

 

[WayneMorse]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/business/wisconsins-legacy-for-unions.html?hp

I say this a lot but Wisconsin you really need to get your shit together.

 

[JesseEwiak]

To be honest I can see Rand Paul doing very well with young voters, he has his fathers loyal following behind him and he takes somewhat progressive stances on issues young white male straight people on the Internet care the most about, marijuana and surveillance.

There, fixed that for ya'. I'm guessing young female voters will mind he's pro-life and young gay voters will mind he's anti-gay marriage and young minority voters will mind he wants to cut social spending to give massive tax cuts.

 

[hipsterpants]

Haha well I'm fully aware that I'm far more to the left than most people I know. I really don't understand how people my age can be libertarian once they're out of high school/college and have to find a job and pay for their own stuff.

 

[Thatonemoor]

Hey Poligaf mind telling me how accurate this video is? Also if you guys have any links to back it up that would be great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw7uT1jOt0o

 

[JesseEwiak]

I don't think of Millennials as "super-liberal"--there's also a huge swath of libertarians, which doesn't bode went for the future of my generation :\

Nah, I think there's lots of people who are "libertarians", but when you scratch the surface, they're the same douchebag Republican's (no offense ) who want to limit abortions and cut taxes, but now, they pretend they don't like spying, because Obama is in office.

Libertarian's are just Republican's who want to get laid in college and in liberal cities.

 

[Chichikov]

Hey Poligaf mind telling me how accurate this video is? Also if you guys have any links to back it up that would be great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw7uT1jOt0o

Completely accurate as far as I can tell, you can find all that information (and much more) in the USDA's SNAP website.
Also, another important point worth mentioning about SNAP that is often overlooked is that it's money transfer to business, many of them small, usually grocery stores and supermarkets (you can't buy hot food with it).
So it's super pro-business, it just have the nice side-benefit of making sure people don't die of hunger in the richest country in the history of human civilization.

 

[kingkitty]

Has anyone seen this Stossel special on Fox News where there's an audience of libertarians asking Stossel and other libertarians about how great libertarianism is. Such stimulating debate.

Stossel has a nice mustache though.

 

[Thatonemoor]

Completely accurate as far as I can tell, you can find all that information (and much more) in the USDA's SNAP website.
Also, another important point worth mentioning about SNAP that is often overlooked is that it's money transfer to business, many of them small, usually grocery stores and supermarkets (you can't buy hot food with it).
So it's super pro-business, it just have the nice side-benefit of making sure people don't die of hunger in the richest country in the history of human civilization.

Thanks was asking for more info to refute points made by a friend that argues the "People on food stamps need to be blood tested" craziness.

 

[campfireweekend]

I don't think of Millennials as "super-liberal"--there's also a huge swath of libertarians, which doesn't bode went for the future of my generation :

People keep on saying this, but aren't there polls which directly state that our generation is more open to socialism than any previous one?

I'd say that's pretty damn liberal.

 

[JesseEwiak]

People keep on saying this, but aren't there polls which directly state that our generation is more open to socialism than any previous one?

I'd say that's pretty damn liberal.

To be fair, that's because if you stated Ronald Reagan's positions on things on Fox News without stating it's his (for example, if I remember correctly, Reagan's first offer to Gorbachev about nuclear missiles was to eventually go to 0 on both sides), it'd be called socialist by at least one of the hosts.

 

[thepotatoman]

People keep on saying this, but aren't there polls which directly state that our generation is more open to socialism than any previous one?

I'd say that's pretty damn liberal.

I think people get confused by amazing youth polls for Rand Paul among republican voters as amazing youth polls for Rand Paul in the general election.

Basically all right leaning young people are libertarian, but overall young people are definitely progressive, going by all the polls I've seen.

 

[Chichikov]

Thanks was asking for more info to refute points made by a friend that argues the "People on food stamps need to be blood tested" craziness.

You can point out that -

1. They tried that shit in Florida and drug testing ended up costing more than it saved in fraud.
2. Making kids of drug users (which is often pot) starve is not going to achieve anything positive.

But my guess is that you're going to get more traction with point 1.

 

[East Lake]

Rand will get people who were going to be conservative anyway and infowars readers/listeners.

 

[B-Dubs]

I think people get confused by amazing youth polls for Rand Paul among republican voters as amazing youth polls for Rand Paul in the general election.

Basically all right leaning young people are libertarian, but overall young people are definitely progressive, going by all the polls I've seen.

Yep, they get confused by the abundance of young libertarians on the internet.

 

[WayneMorse]

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/po...-nomination-for-governor/stories/201402200275

So do any PA gaffers think that having such a crowded Dem primary might help Corbett in the general?

 

[theprodigy]

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/po...-nomination-for-governor/stories/201402200275

So do any PA gaffers think that having such a crowded Dem primary might help Corbett in the general?

isn't Corbett utterly despised over there?
I doubt it'll matter

 

[Diablos]

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/po...-nomination-for-governor/stories/201402200275

So do any PA gaffers think that having such a crowded Dem primary might help Corbett in the general?

Hell no, Corbett is finished.

When Diablos isn't Diablosing about it... yeah... calm down. It will be a Philly-centric Democrat who will be our next Gov -- the way it should have been in 2010.

btw Wagner will not get far so it doesn't matter.

 

[B-Dubs]

Does anyone know how true it is that competitive primaries hurt in the general?

I know that idea gets brought up in horse-race discussion, but is it actually true?

Partisanship is so high right now that I just can't imagine many voters defecting/sitting out because their preferred candidate lost in the primary. I mean, the 2008 Democratic presidential primary was about a bitter a primary as you can imagine, and even then, almost all of the Hilary supporters voted for Obama in the end.

A strong candidate will becomes stronger as a result off a competitive primary and a weak one will be weaker. It just amplifies what's already there.

 

[fallagin]

My mom thinks that Russia is going to invade us and that Obama wont defend when if it happens. She has crafted a theory that nbc has insulted russia and that there is going to be retribution because for it.

I told her that we spend more on military than china and Russia combined, but that did not persuade her. She said that because Russia sent people into space with no way back that means that they are stronger than us.

There is no way that you can get through to her on this one :|

 

[B-Dubs]

My mom thinks that Russia is going to invade us and that Obama wont defend when if it happens. She has crafted a theory that nbc has insulted russia and that there is going to be retribution because for it.

I told her that we spend more on military than china and Russia combined, but that did not persuade her. She said that because Russia sent people into space with no way back that means that they are stronger than us.

There is no way that you can get through to her on this one :|

The bolded either makes me think you are trolling, or well...I'm sorry but that is kinda dumb.

 

[fallagin]

The bolded either makes me think you are trolling, or well...I'm sorry but that is kinda dumb.

No troll here, she is kinda batshit.

 

[speculawyer]

No troll here, she is kinda batshit.

I'm sorry to say this . . . but it is not kinda. More full on.

So neither she nor you should worry.

 

[Gotchaye]

Does anyone know how true it is that competitive primaries hurt in the general?

I know that idea gets brought up in horse-race discussion, but is it actually true?

Partisanship is so high right now that I just can't imagine many voters defecting/sitting out because their preferred candidate lost in the primary. I mean, the 2008 Democratic presidential primary was about a bitter a primary as you can imagine, and even then, almost all of the Hilary supporters voted for Obama in the end.

Well, independents are still a concern. Primaries tend to make candidates look bad, especially because in a crowded primary the frontrunner will tend to get ganged up on with negative ads. Competitive primaries also encourage candidates to worry more about appealing to the primary electorate than to the general electorate, and can result in the primary failing to produce the most electable candidate. The GOP believes that its 2012 presidential primaries forced Romney to move too far to the right, tainting an otherwise more electable candidate.

 

[B-Dubs]

Well, independents are still a concern. Primaries tend to make candidates look bad, especially because in a crowded primary the frontrunner will tend to get ganged up on with negative ads. Competitive primaries also encourage candidates to worry more about appealing to the primary electorate than to the general electorate, and can result in the primary failing to produce the most electable candidate. The GOP believes that its 2012 presidential primaries forced Romney to move too far to the right, tainting an otherwise more electable candidate.

The GOP of course fails to realize that Romney was entirely the wrong candidate to run in a post-Occupy world. He would have lost regardless.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Rand Paul is just like his old man, except he has none of the old guy charm and is extremely thin-skinned.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

CNN's Reliable Sources host calls Ted Nugent's rant "hate speech". I learned that Hitler used "subhuman mongrel" to describe Jews. This guy belongs to 1950s Mississippi with a cone hat. I cannot believe his endorsement counts for the gubernatorial race in Texas for the GOP candidate. How likely is he going to win? I hope Wendy Davis can score an upset.

The guy is a draft dodging racist pedophile. I'm baffled as to how the GOP would ever want to pow around with this guy.

I'm absolutely stunned.

isn't Corbett utterly despised over there?
I doubt it'll matter

Nobody likes Corbett here.
He'll go.

I don't think of Millennials as "super-liberal"--there's also a huge swath of libertarians, which doesn't bode went for the future of my generation :\

As much as I still think most Libertarians are just closet Republicans too ashamed to identify with the modern GOP, socially they support liberal ideas. The only difference is that the methodology they wish to use to achieve it is often utterly ridiculous.
But when it comes to economics, mises.org is their haven and you shouldn't bother.

Beware of these people

 

[NYCmetsfan]

John Dingell resigning :-( Dude has been in the House since 1955. Amazing dude.
Introduces a National Heath Insurance Bill every congress.

Dude is highly respected. Look at this

@SteveWorks4You 1m
.@john_dingell is retiring. Don't agree with his votes, but few work as hard as he does. Proud to serve with him.

The guy is a draft dodging racist pedophile. I'm baffled as to how the GOP would ever want to pow around with this guy.

I'm absolutely stunned.

Guns trump all

 

[sc0la]

Edit dp

 

[sc0la]

You can point out that -

1. They tried that shit in Florida and drug testing ended up costing more than it saved in fraud.
2. Making kids of drug users (which is often pot) starve is not going to achieve anything positive.

But my guess is that you're going to get more traction with point 1.

I always imagine telling people I would be okay with drug testing food stamp/ unemployment recipients if we could also drug test everyone that takes the mortgage interest deduction, Child tax credit, or all employees of defense companies with government contracts. I don't want to subsidize their drug habit! Once they realize it would hurt more than just poor and/or brown people they should lose their enthusiasm.

If that doesn't work I will just yell "Shut. The Fuck. Up."

Edit: apparently I am in a cynical / sarcastic mood today.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Another game of guess who said this:

"Where Free Unions And Collective Bargaining Are Forbidden, Freedom Is Lost"

Spoiler

LOL Scott Walker and Bob Corker

Answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsHXJr8tqP0

 

[WayneMorse]

John Dingell resigning :-( Dude has been in the House since 1955. Amazing dude.
Introduces a National Heath Insurance Bill every congress.

I think you're confusing him with another Congressman from Michigan. John Conyers, who's also very old and a Democrat and champions single payer healthcare.

Conyers is easily the farthest left congressman in the postwar era, except for his rather nasty support of SOPA in 2012.

 

[Wilsongt]

So McCain and another AZ lawmaker now want Brewer to veto the anti-gay bill.

I guess they are upset that they may be banned from that pizzeria? I highly doubt it's because these people actually have a heart.

Also, in other gay news: It is not officially illegal to be gay in Uganda. Good job, Uganda!

 

[adg1034]

So McCain and another AZ lawmaker now want Brewer to veto the anti-gay bill.

I guess they are upset that they may be banned from that pizzeria? I highly doubt it's because these people actually have a heart.

Also, in other gay news: It is not officially illegal to be gay in Uganda. Good job, Uganda!

Actually, it is now officially illegal. Unfortunately.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/uganda-president-signs-antigay-law

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I think you're confusing him with another Congressman from Michigan. John Conyers, who's also very old and a Democrat and champions single payer healthcare.

Conyers is easily the farthest left congressman in the postwar era, except for his rather nasty support of SOPA in 2012.

Nope he might introduce another though.

Also I saw Obama is proposing a 1% pay hike for federal workers. Not a lot but shifting away from austerity and pay freezes

 

[Wilsongt]

Actually, it is now officially illegal. Unfortunately.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/uganda-president-signs-antigay-law

Yes, that's what I meant to say. Stupid typo.

 

[Oblivion]

Hating Obama trumps all

Fixed.

 

[AntoneM]

So McCain and another AZ lawmaker now want Brewer to veto the anti-gay bill.

I guess they are upset that they may be banned from that pizzeria? I highly doubt it's because these people actually have a heart.

Also, in other gay news: It is not officially illegal to be gay in Uganda. Good job, Uganda!

3 state senate republicans who voted for it are now asking for a veto. If they voted against it in the first place, it never would have passed the senate. Fuck those guys.

 

[leroidys]

I always imagine telling people I would be okay with drug testing food stamp/ unemployment recipients if we could also drug test everyone that takes the mortgage interest deduction, Child tax credit, or all employees of defense companies with government contracts. I don't want to subsidize their drug habit! Once they realize it would hurt more than just poor and/or brown people they should lose their enthusiasm.

If that doesn't work I will just yell "Shut. The Fuck. Up."

I like it.

 

[Wilsongt]

3 state senate republicans who voted for it are now asking for a veto. If they voted against it in the first place, it never would have passed the senate. Fuck those guys.

They face a backlash and now they want to take it back. I wish these idiots thought about consequences before they go on their religious tirades.

 

[KingK]

I don't think of Millennials as "super-liberal"--there's also a huge swath of libertarians, which doesn't bode went for the future of my generation :\

In my experience as a 21 year old college student, just about all of those young libertarians are white males from relatively wealthy backgrounds who aren't actually paying for any of their own shit yet and still rely on parents money. So they're just people that would have voted Republican anyway. As far as I know, the biggest reason younger generations are more liberal is just because we're less white than older generations, so I wouldn't worry about wealthy white kids skewing our numbers too much

 

[PhoenixDark]

I think you're confusing him with another Congressman from Michigan. John Conyers, who's also very old and a Democrat and champions single payer healthcare.

Conyers is easily the farthest left congressman in the postwar era, except for his rather nasty support of SOPA in 2012.

Actually Dingell is the one who introduces single payer yearly - it's the bill his father tried to get passed during his time in congress.

Dingell is my congressman and I've met him and his wife; nice folks. He looked pretty bad back in late 2008 during the election when I met him again, but he was quite energetic for much of Obama's first term. You can tell he's tired as hell of republican obstruction.

John Dingell’s time in office crosses six decades. His fingerprints can be found on some of the most transformative legislation in our country’s history:

The Clean Air Act
The Civil Rights Act
The Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
The Endangered Species Act
The National Environmental Policy Act
The Pollution Prevention Act
The FDA Food Safety Modernization Act
The Energy Policy and Conservation Acts of 1975 & 1976
The Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”)

John Dingell confronted by angry tea partiers at Obamacare forum in Romulus

With regard to the Affordable Care Act, at an historic public forum in Inkster before its passage, an event covered in great detail here at Eclectablog, the Congressman was asked “DID YOU EVEN READ THE BILL???” His response? “Read it? I WROTE it!”

http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/02/...-dingell-to-retire-a-tribute-with-photos.html

He'll be missed.

 

[pigeon]

Thanks was asking for more info to refute points made by a friend that argues the "People on food stamps need to be blood tested" craziness.

If they want to do this for "corruption" reasons, the cost of setting up any such program would be much greater than the saving we might get from kicking drug users off the welfare rolls.

If they want to do it for moral reasons, I generally point out that Jesus Christ is actually very specific about this particular issue, and to refuse to give charity because you don't like the way somebody lives their life is about the least Christian thing you can do.

 

[Oblivion]

In my experience as a 21 year old college student, just about all of those young libertarians are white males from relatively wealthy backgrounds who aren't actually paying for any of their own shit yet and still rely on parents money. So they're just people that would have voted Republican anyway. As far as I know, the biggest reason younger generations are more liberal is just because we're less white than older generations, so I wouldn't worry about wealthy white kids skewing our numbers too much

Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but in my experience, nearly all libertarians that I've met vote Republican. They may like weed, and might not hate the gays, but social issues don't mean dick to them most of the time.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Wise word from a known leftist

"Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden freedom is lost."

Can you imagine Scott Walker and Bob Corker associating with this radical?

 

[WayneMorse]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/christie-approval-drop

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's (R) approval rating has dropped 15 percent since the George Washington Bridge scandal broke and 20 percent over the course of the last year, according to a Monmouth University/Asbury Park Press poll released Monday.

Forty nine percent of registered voters approve of the job Christie is doing, while 46 percent disapprove.

The poll marks the first time voter approval of Christie has dipped below 50 percent since 2011, according to Politicker NJ.

While overall approval of the governor is down, 77 percent of Republicans in the state still approve of Christie. However, 89 percent of Republicans approved of the job Christie was doing in January.

Monmouth University Polling Institute Director Patrick Murray attributed Christie's fall to the bridge scandal and how it has overshadowed his accomplishments.

"This hole is getting deeper. Christie’s image as the hero of Sandy is now just a fading memory," he said.

The Monmouth University/Asbury Park Press poll surveyed 803 New Jersey residents via phone Feb. 19-23 with a margin of error plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Wow, much weathering, such popularity.

 

[PhoenixDark]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/christie-approval-drop



Wow, much weathering, such popularity.

Not surprising given the nonstop media onslaught. There's still no smoking gun, however it won't matter if we get more months and months of drip drip drip (and conjecture).

There's still no motive for any of this, which makes it even more baffling. A few weeks ago I assumed Wildstein would be dropping bombs to get immunity yet that didn't happen. Kelly isn't talking either. So yeah...

My Clinton analogy continues to grow. The Comback Kid, 2016.

 

[WayneMorse]

Not surprising given the nonstop media onslaught. There's still no smoking gun, however it won't matter if we get more months and months of drip drip drip (and conjecture).

There's still no motive for any of this, which makes it even more baffling. A few weeks ago I assumed Wildstein would be dropping bombs to get immunity yet that didn't happen. Kelly isn't talking either. So yeah...

My Clinton analogy continues to grow. The Comback Kid, 2016.

It's not just Bridgeghazi, it's his rating of Sandy recovery that's slipping too.

Last week he had a town hall meeting and it definitely did not go well for him, most of the crowd turned against him.

I doubt he would be able to pull himself through a crisis like Clinton.

2016 will come down the establishment pick of Scott Walker and the Tea Party pick of Ted Cruz.

 

[speculawyer]

Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but in my experience, nearly all libertarians that I've met vote Republican. They may like weed, and might not hate the gays, but social issues don't mean dick to them most of the time.

In the more distant past, many Libertarians were left-leaning people that were fiscally conservative for drug-legalization, prostitution legalization, and gun rights. But as the GOP started becoming a bit loopy & theocratic during the Bush administration and afterwards, a number of GOPers left the GOP and started calling themselves Libertarians as conservatives who don't mind gay rights & some drug legalization. I think the latter subset now dominates over the former subset. And they are quite the pseudo-libertarians because they don't protect the right to choose and they don't protect the separation of church & state well.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Not surprising given the nonstop media onslaught. There's still no smoking gun, however it won't matter if we get more months and months of drip drip drip (and conjecture).

There's still no motive for any of this, which makes it even more baffling. A few weeks ago I assumed Wildstein would be dropping bombs to get immunity yet that didn't happen. Kelly isn't talking either. So yeah...

My Clinton analogy continues to grow. The Comback Kid, 2016.

He's Clinton alright...Roger Clinton.