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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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Giant Panda

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pigeon said:
This is actually pretty funny. The first chart talks about the likelihood of getting a bachelor's degree and how that varies based on race. The second talks about admission to medical school.

Guess what you need in order to be admitted to medical school?

The charts are about totally different topics! Indeed, the first one makes the second one more likely -- given that fewer people of color get through college, a higher percentage of those that do overcome discrimination are likely to be high achievers, which means it's quite possible they'd be disproportionately more succssful at pursuing further education.

This is an apples and oranges comparison of a very impressive caliber.
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I'm not sure how you're able to say the minority applicants are higher caliber since it seems to me the chart specifically categorizes them by their level of achievement…
 
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pigeon

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Giant Panda said:
I'm not sure how you're able to say the minority applicants are higher caliber since it seems to me the chart specifically categorizes them by their level of achievement…
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It categorizes them by their MCAT and GPA. Much as with normal admission, volunteer work, leadership, and other characteristics also play a large role in admissions.

But this is a fair critique. Even if we drop that portion of the argument, it's still sufficient to observe that there's no contradiction in the two charts, since they describe entirely different subjects.
 
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Chichikov

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explodet said:
Yeah, this is pretty much people avoiding FATCA.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/fatca...-need-to-know-about-new-u-s-tax-law-1.2493882

There were scattered stories of people coming to Canada from the US and starting a family, but because the parents were US citizens the kids were automatically considered citizens as well, and because of this law Uncle Sam wanted his cut even if they never worked in the US.
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I'm in the process of filing US taxes, from China.
I'm not going to actually pay anything as China has higher taxation than the states, but fuck it's annoying,
What really bothers me is that those laws were enacted because rich fucks used tax havens to avoid paying taxes, but those assholes have tax experts, so as always, it's normal working people who get screwed by this.
 
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Chichikov

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APKmetsfan said:
Guys, Guys, go check out the last hour of Ted Nugent's tweets. Its like staring into an abyss of right wing paranoia

https://twitter.com/TedNugent
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Is he a bot?
I feel like I'm missing some context there.

Also -
Ted Nugent ‏@TedNugent Feb 19
So much media has lost its soul lying Saul Alinsky Joseph Geobbells freaks

Ted Nugent ‏@TedNugent Feb 19
CNN Joseph Goebbells Saul Alinsky propaganda ministry mongrels


Man, I hate it when I play mad libs and all I get is Saul Alinsky and Joseph Geobbells.
 
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PhoenixDark

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bonercop said:
This took way too long and required way too much pressure from the base for it to happen, but it finally has.
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I just don't get his insistence on this shit, which barely cuts the deficit in exchange for screwing over some elderly people in their time of need. It fits a pattern of his willingness to prove how "serious" he is by either proposing stupid shit (this) or half measures that don't do much of anything (his gun legislation). It just comes off as complete pandering.

As if anyone outside of Beltway sycophants thinks that chained CPI makes him "serious" about controlling the deficit. If you want to cut the deficit, offer some sensible ways to do it, and challenge the other party to meet you halfway. It's not going to work obviously, but I'll take that over stupid pandering any day of the week.
 
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WayneMorse

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The fact is that if the GOP actually wanted to work with Obama in the 2011 debt ceiling talks they could've worked out some pretty damaging concessions from Obama in terms of entitlement cuts.

They could've gotten means tested Medicare, chained CPI and the retirement age raised to 67, but they shot themselves in the foot by letting the Tea Party run the show.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Chichikov said:
Is he a bot?
I feel like I'm missing some context there.
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He's the closest thing to the Tea Party's Id

I assume his 'words' are the subhuman mongrel line
PhoenixDark said:
I just don't get his insistence on this shit, which barely cuts the deficit in exchange for screwing over some elderly people in their time of need. It fits a pattern of his willingness to prove how "serious" he is by either proposing stupid shit (this) or half measures that don't do much of anything (his gun legislation). It just comes off as complete pandering.

As if anyone outside of Beltway sycophants thinks that chained CPI makes him "serious" about controlling the deficit. If you want to cut the deficit, offer some sensible ways to do it, and challenge the other party to meet you halfway. It's not going to work obviously, but I'll take that over stupid pandering any day of the week.
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He wants that David Brooks approval dude. Looking back it was pretty obvious this was always a part of him the seeking compromise for the sake of compromise. Just look at his 2004 speech, it was all about the idea everybody can come together and find common ground.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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RustyNails said:
I'm thinking Anderson Cooper asked him about him calling Obama subhuman mongrel as offensive, and he responds by asking why subhuman mongrel is offensive, but 4 Americans died in benghazi isn't.

Digest that.
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Are false comparisons more offensive than 32,000 dead Americans?
 
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Samarecarm said:
Thought this was an interesting chart from Daily Kos Elections / the former Swing State Project.

Changes in the D vs R presidential vote from 2008 to 2012 on a county-by-county basis. Red means it got more Republican compared to 2008, blue means more Democratic compared to 2008.

UnitedStatesPresidentialElection2012TrendbyCounty_zpsa96e7611.png


Shows the trend towards the Dems in the "Black Belt" and the strong trend away from the Dems in Appalachia. And maybe in the Midwest although Obama probably had unrealistically high numbers there in 2008 (being from Illinois).
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Coal land was none too happy with Obama damn.
 
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RustyNails

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Samarecarm said:
Thought this was an interesting chart from Daily Kos Elections / the former Swing State Project.

Changes in the D vs R presidential vote from 2008 to 2012 on a county-by-county basis. Red means it got more Republican compared to 2008, blue means more Democratic compared to 2008.

UnitedStatesPresidentialElection2012TrendbyCounty_zpsa96e7611.png


Shows the trend towards the Dems in the "Black Belt" and the strong trend away from the Dems in Appalachia. And maybe in the Midwest although Obama probably had unrealistically high numbers there in 2008 (being from Illinois).
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No idea whats going on in the upper midwest. I guess Michigan makes sense because all the new graduates are probably leaving the hellhole. Not sure about IL or WI.
 
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GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Socialism is un-American!"

Except the o in "Socialism" was replaced with
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thefro

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Samarecarm said:
I assumed part of it was just Obama having a "home state advantage" in IL in '08 that he couldn't really replicate in '12.
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That explains part of the numbers in Wisconsin/Michigan/Indiana/Missouri as well. He definitely had a "home region" advantage.

Of course Obama didn't campaign hard in MO/IN in 2012 and his organization tried very hard in both states in 08. Michigan is partially explained by Romney's father being governor there.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Incumbent GOP governor in Kansas is trailing his Dem opponent:

PPP's newest Kansas poll finds that Sam Brownback has continued to become even more unpopular in the last year, and that he slightly trails his Democratic opponent for reelection. Only 33% of voters in the state approve of the job Brownback is doing, compared to 51% who disapprove. That's down from a 37/52 spread when PPP last polled the state a year ago. It's not surprising that Brownback is doing poorly with independents (33/51) or Democrats (10/76) but what really drags his numbers down is that even Republicans aren't particularly enthusiastic about him, with just 46% approving to 37% who disapprove.

Brownback trails Democratic challenger Paul Davis for reelection by a 42/40 margin. Davis isn't particularly well known- only 41% of voters have an opinion about him one way or the other- so those numbers are more a referendum on Brownback than anything else. Davis leads largely because he is winning 23% of the GOP vote, a large amount of crossover support in this polarized political climate, while only 11% of Democrats plan to vote for Brownback.
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Obviously a 42-40 lead isn't anything to write home about, but any Republican hoping for a 2010 redux is gonna be shellshocked come election day.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Aaron Strife said:
Incumbent GOP governor in Kansas is trailing his Dem opponent:



Obviously a 42-40 lead isn't anything to write home about, but any Republican hoping for a 2010 redux is gonna be shellshocked come election day.
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I doubt they'll be shellshocked considering they have a great chance to win the senate and gain in the house. There's plenty of time for the economy to improve but if 2013 taught us anything it's that you can never really guess what will become a big story/problem.
 
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PhoenixDark said:
I doubt they'll be shellshocked considering they have a great chance to win the senate and gain in the house. There's plenty of time for the economy to improve but if 2013 taught us anything it's that you can never really guess what will become a big story/problem.
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Pfft. You overestimate their chances. The demographics continue to slowly shift away from them. And their new crusade of anti-gay legislation is going to hurt the GOP image outside of deep red states. The GOP will certainly do well as this is a mid-term election but this won't be a 2010 wave. Back then the Tea Party had momentum. Now they've been exposed as the loons they are.
 
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Samarecarm said:
Thought this was an interesting chart from Daily Kos Elections / the former Swing State Project.

Changes in the D vs R presidential vote from 2008 to 2012 on a county-by-county basis. Red means it got more Republican compared to 2008, blue means more Democratic compared to 2008.

UnitedStatesPresidentialElection2012TrendbyCounty_zpsa96e7611.png


Shows the trend towards the Dems in the "Black Belt" and the strong trend away from the Dems in Appalachia. And maybe in the Midwest although Obama probably had unrealistically high numbers there in 2008 (being from Illinois).
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That's interesting to see pretty much the whole south trending further blue.

Not surprised by Indiana. I live here, and I have no fucking clue how Obama won in 2008, but then the state swung even further right than it was before 2008 and we have a Tea Party governor.
 
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WayneMorse

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U.S. Official: Beijing Preparing For 'Short, Sharp' War With Japan

China is stepping up war games in preparation for a possible conflict with Japan over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, a tiny island chain in the East China Sea claimed by both Beijing and Tokyo, a senior U.S. Navy official says.

Captain James Fanell, deputy chief of staff intelligence and information operations for the U.S. Pacific Fleet, made the remark in San Diego last week.

Fanell said that after witnessing China's Mission Action 2013, a "massive amphibious and cross military" exercise that included ground and naval forces of the People's Liberation Army, U.S. analysts had concluded that "the PLA has been given the new task to be able to conduct a short sharp war to destroy Japanese forces in the East China Sea following with what can only be expected [as] a seizure of the Senkakus or even southern Ryukyu [islands]."

Beginning in the second half of last year, China's military training shifted toward what appears to preparation for "realistic maritime combat," he said.
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