RastaMentality
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Yeah, it was surprisingly explicit and pointed. Probably one of the best speeches on racial relations from a politician in the national spotlight. She named names and called out a lot of little known aspects of systemic racism.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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Oh wow. Is there a video of this?
Macho Madness
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A better copy will turn up sooner or later but: https://youtu.be/WAdhp92rjhw
The Technomancer
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It was goddamn great
A Human Becoming
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Must be due to a national poll. Did she get more endorsements recently?
I hadn't looked at a national poll in over a month until now. There's no national primary after all.
Considering that haven't been any polls in the past 6 months and the demographic data is suspect, it's kind of hard to be confident about Kansas and Nebraska. Even 538's guesstimates on ranges for Bernie to be competitive have them close.
I swear she was taking pages from all of GAF's black posters who keep it 100 on racial issues whenever they come up.
My jaw was on the floor the whole time listening to it.
User 463088
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God damn Hillary. I'm not going to yaaas because that would belittle that speech. Fucking on point, though.
Roberto Larcos
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So the people that know him best go with him? Yeah, that's pretty damming stuff you've got there.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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CNN projects that the materials alone for Trump's wall would cost $10B.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/donald-trump-mexico-wall/index.html?Sr=twtsr0217trumpwall
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/donald-trump-mexico-wall/index.html?Sr=twtsr0217trumpwall
NYCmetsfan
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Thread the Harlem speech.
Also if someone does. Over/under on crime bill mention?
Also if someone does. Over/under on crime bill mention?
gutter_trash
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Unions whipping union members
RastaMentality
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Someone needs to add the quotes from the article for the people who don't watch the video.
She called herself out on mistakes too which might be the first time(?) but I know Bill has. She murdered it though for real. As a black man, it made me confident in my vote. Dems aren't as scared of scaring white middle America anymore and it's clear the tone has changed.
any caucus state where Hillary is close is a winner. Why? because aside from Nevada she got killed in the rest of them
CO
Obama 67
Hillary 32
Idaho
Obama 80
Hillary 17
Kansas
Obama 70
Hillary 26
MN
66
32
ND
61
37
Utah was a primary in 08 but
57
39
NE
68
32
ME
59
40
HI
76
24
WY
61
38
I remember folks in my twitter feed during the speech just reacting with "daaaaaaamn."
She had really found her voice, it seems.
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And Nate Silver needs to show his work in order to receive full credit. Going from 50-50 to 70% is pretty radical.
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Edit:
Steve Kornacki was saying that this is setting-up for a potential 1992-like moment for Hillary. Here's what Super Tuesday looked like back then:
shinra-bansho
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A realistic pathway involves him winning NY? Which is probably why I don't think it's particularly realistic.
Also, detail and minutiae in a Clinton speech probably shouldn't be surprising at this stage.
Also, detail and minutiae in a Clinton speech probably shouldn't be surprising at this stage.
Ooops, totally forgot that Kansas and Nebraska were caucuses.
Ugh, caucuses are so weird.
EDIT: ruh roh
I'll believe HRC actually gives a shit about race when she apologizes for birther-ing Obama.
I have a really, really bad feeling y'all are gonna be super disappointed in President Clinton as opposed to Candidate Clinton.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Finally, white Socialists have come up with the most BernieBro article of all time.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/1-99-percent-class-inequality/
I, who will probably never face an abusive partner, won't have to worry nearly as much about rape, won't ever have to worry about getting an abortion, won't have to worry about being profiled, won't be hated because of how you look or what your genitals are, face comparable challenges to the rest of you.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/1-99-percent-class-inequality/
I, who will probably never face an abusive partner, won't have to worry nearly as much about rape, won't ever have to worry about getting an abortion, won't have to worry about being profiled, won't be hated because of how you look or what your genitals are, face comparable challenges to the rest of you.
She's on tape, saying bluntly what many people have already been thinking. It's practically impossible for her to walk back on this. She'd be an idiot.
Hillary Clinton said:
Sorry, bruh. There's no way she walks back from this. No fucking way.
1. Prove that she had anything to do with that
2. Either Obama obviously forgave her, or does not believe she had anything to do with it.
If Obama feels good enough about her to bring her aboard into his cabinet, then that's good enough for me. Especially since she's now clearly his favored candidate.
And I'm keenly aware of what is and what is not truly politically feasible from a Democratic President over the next four or eight years. A lot of us are.
A Human Becoming
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Her supporters started the birther movement, not her campaign.
Isn't everyone disappointed in the president versus the candidate?
OrangeGrayBlue
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As Neo pointed out, Hillary got trounced handily in those states last time, and their demographics don't really align with SC's in a way where we might believe that '08's results will reverse this time around.
Additionally, I have a little theory that living in Brownback's Kansas for the last few years is probably pushing dems in that state toward more liberal policies. I can't imagine that many Kansas dems see what he's doing and are receptive to the idea of countering him with pragmatism, incrementalism, etc.
I really hope you're right - as I've said in this thread, I generally like her, and I get her concept of ends justifying the means in order to create systems to make the world better. But the attacks her and her supporters hit Obama with in 2008 are a little hard to reconcile with Captain Racial Justice of 2016. Those are pretty powerful words she said, definitely. But I don't know if she says any of that if she's winning white folks 55-45 over Bernie.
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Origins_of_the_claims
2) No one remembers the 2000 primary, when GWB accused McCain of being a manchurian candidate who fathered an out of wedlock child with a black woman (him and his wife had adopted a kid from Bangladesh)? Politics makes strange bedfellows. They managed to get along just fine afterward.
Clinton's damn smart and damn good - and you bring the Dem party back together after a super contentious primary (way, way more contentious then anything that's happening currently) that threatened to split the party (Hi PUMA!).
I vaguely remember Obama being shitted on by liberals for about 5 years for not getting "enough done" when he had the house and senate, up until about the 2016 State of the Union, when he decided to swag out on everyone and remind everyone of everything he's accomplished.
A) I doubt anyone made that distinction for GWB in 2000, or is making that distinction when Trump "supporters" do similarly horrific stuff in the current race.
B) Yes - but the racial justice stuff seems as pie in the sky to me as Sanders' unicorns and puppies economic BS.
Fenderputty
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Honestly thought it would be more. I suppose labor is the largest cost for something like this anyway. The logistics of getting material to places in the middle of the desert is probably another large cost as well.
Cesare Borgia
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And you'd be disappointed in a President Sanders for largely the same reason: no policies promised will be accomplished with republican control of congress, or divided government (if democrats win the senate). What's your point.
In terms of Hillary and black voters...it's good that she acknowledged systematic racism. But the reality is that she won't be able to do anything about it, and Obama hasn't been able to either. I agree with Sanders in the sense that some of these things could be overcome if there was more economic equality. A lot of problems in inner cities exist due to economic issues such as depleted tax bases. So yes, I don't think Sanders is wrong in theory. The problem is that his solutions are nonsense.
Another thing about Hillary...people have to recognize a lot of the leeway she has on "black issues" right now is due to black activism and the potential for decreased black turnout. The other issue is that crime has been decreasing for awhile, which gives politicians cover on criminal justice reform. It wasn't long ago that Obama was lecturing black people on having to work hard and how no one can give them a handout; I'm not black but cringed when I heard that speech, which was given at a HBCU. Now his tune has completely changed, because the mood of that demographic won't tolerate that Cosby shit anymore. And I think Hillary's tone on the issue is a reflection of that as well.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Well, the wall is going to have to be 5 feet deep so there's going to be a lot of fucking digging too.
That's probably fair, though I don't think we'll see margins even close to what we saw with Obama in 08 there.
Yoda
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He's within single digits in NY and it's still a ways off. I don't think it'll be a shoe in for her.
shinra-bansho
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From the NYMag article posted.
It can come across as: "This is my world. The world as I know it. But you're a part of it too."
The irony being that they're probably going to need a coalition of both to win in the actual election.
Interestingly, I think this applies to both campaigns. For whatever reason, Clinton manages to convey this to AA voters. Conversely, she doesn't manage it with young, white liberals. And the reverse seems to be the case for Sanders.
It can come across as: "This is my world. The world as I know it. But you're a part of it too."
The irony being that they're probably going to need a coalition of both to win in the actual election.
Uh... what is this based on. The only NY poll that I can see from 2016 has her up 21 pts.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Damn the media is pushing this CNN poll. What an outlier.
okay
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Of course they are, the media has great incentives to promote the "horserace" between Trump and Cruz or Hillary and Bernie even if it isn't that close.
Macho Madness
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A cable poll is going to undersample millennials.
I am leaning more and more towards Clinton (if it will matter by the time our primary rolls around) because I think Sanders' proposals are batshit insane the more I hear details and in the case of free state college for everyone, potentially super duper dangerous economically. (I'm a pragmatist more than anything). But I still have a lot of hard time believing she really actually gives a crap about the race thing, and it's really hard for me to reconcile people bashing Sanders for pie in the sky economic BS and then swallow Clinton's racial justice BS wholesale and then proclaim her the freaking "realistic" candidate. They're both throwing pie in the sky BS at this point, one economically, one racially.
The tone thing is a good point - but basing your solutions and your rhetoric on the "mood of the demographic" is exactly how you end up with stupid shit like Trump and Cruz. Be careful of that path. Focus should be on what is right, and more importantly, what works (both short-term and long-term).
EDIT: I guess the question I would pose to folks is this. Let's say they reverse the crime bills from the 80s and 90s (something I'm for, since the drug epidemic has changed form). Lets' say that 10 years later, however, crime returns back to 90s levels. What do you do? Re-implementing the crime bills may end up targeting minorities and poor people harder. But it may also reduce crime that has hit near record levels again.
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Serious question:
Do endorsements really matter? I mean, are a statistically viable group of people going to seriously say, "Oh wow--well, I WAS going to vote for Trump because he is antiestablishment, but now that Nikki Haley supports Rubio, I will too?"
Do endorsements really matter? I mean, are a statistically viable group of people going to seriously say, "Oh wow--well, I WAS going to vote for Trump because he is antiestablishment, but now that Nikki Haley supports Rubio, I will too?"
I think the media is a much bigger factor in the "Hillary vs Bernie" horserace than people may want to admit.
Cesare Borgia
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It's also how you end up calling black kids "hyper-predators," passing a draconian Crime bill, and putting 100,000 hastily trained cops on the streets. Politics is about pressure, and panic. When politicians sense emergencies they spring into action to save their ass. It's why politicians go crazy over ebola, ISIS, and other issues that scare citizens. Likewise, crime became such a dominant issue that it made politicians over-react.
My fear is that as racial issues become hotter and if crime rises, all the potential for progress will die. Republicans seem more than willing to destroy any hope for major criminal justice reform and blame a President Hillary+Obama for police murders, for instance. And if that happens I'd expect Hillary's tone on the issue to begin to change for the worse.
I don't take many things personal in politics. You'll be sold down the river if you become a liability. It's the business.
maabus1999
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It's not a cable poll...just done by the news channel arm of twc.
Traditionally, yes. Most republicans probably don't give a craps about Haley, but the ones in SC probably do.
The thing is, I don't know that we've had a situation like the Trump following before. For that segment of voters, Haley is "establishment", and her endorsement is actually a potential negative. But it may move Bush voters to Rubio.
Depends on the endorsement, I think. Nikki Haley is probably not influential enough to change much of anybody's opinion. She could probably offer ground game assistance and some stumping in her home state, but other than that? Probably not that meaningful.
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i think that was the communist manifesto
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