Macho Madness
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That's how he attacks her. Just brings up that stuff and expects everyone to put it together. She called it an "artful smear" at the MSNBC debate.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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That's how he attacks her. Just brings up that stuff and expects everyone to put it together. She called it an "artful smear" at the MSNBC debate.
She's a bought out corporate shill and has gotten $15 million from special interests recently and will work for the billionaires and not the people if she is elected.
Not an attack though. Still hasn't attacked her.
While not throwing away the support of Super PACs that back him.
He denounces their existence, while letting them on the campaign trail.
Macho Madness
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MSNBC lost interest with the Rick Tyler news, and that this "differences between me and Hillary" speech is just another stump speech.
Black Republican
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Wow. Rick tyler forced to resign
cartoon_soldier
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If Sanders doesn't like outside influence I assume he doesn't like Unions supporting him either?
Macho Madness
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Difference #1: Priorities USA, HRC's Super PAC, raised $25 MILLION, from special interests, including $15MIL from Wall Street #FeelTheBern
Those are the two so farDifference #2: Our disastrous trade policies have cost this country millions of decent paying jobs. Bernie opposed NAFTA #FeelTheBern
Those are the two so far
So it's just his usual stump speech.
Black Mamba
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If only Jeb! could have lasted til super tuesday. Oh well.
Kasich, Carson, and Cruz just need to stay in as long as possible.
I still can't believe some people here actually thought Jeb! had a shot. He was so dead in the water for years. Nobody wants Bushes back in office, plain and simple!
Some important things I've noticed regarding the GOP race. Late deciders break for Rubio and Trump doesn't get late deciders (something I argued would happen). If you're for Trump, you don't decide that last minute.
So Trump doesn't have this in the bag, yet. Just needs a fractured field for a little but longer and to maintain these leads closely.
Cruz, right now, is the one really destroying Rubio. I think, should Cruz drop out, Kasich would be forced out. Maybe even Carson (they just have to promise him fox news money). But so long as Cruz is in, he fucks rubio over even in a 3 man race.
If Cruz was any normal person, he could leverage this into a big thing like SCOTUS appointment promise, VP, or SoS or something. But he's so full of himself I don't think he cares.
If Trump ends up winning basically because Cruz is his own man fighting for himself, what does the GOP do going forward. I see two possible scenarios. In the first, the GOP tries to punish him harshly. Put him in the corner in the Senate, maybe even try to primary him. On the other hand, let's say it's 2020 and things are going well and Hillary is well likes. They can nominate Cruz for President to go to the slaughter and destroy his career.
I don't see how this doesn't end poorly for Cruz. He can't win the nomination now (math does not work) and everyone in the GOP will hate him even more if Trump is the nominee and they lose the Senate and House gets close and it will be his fault!
Kasich, Carson, and Cruz just need to stay in as long as possible.
I still can't believe some people here actually thought Jeb! had a shot. He was so dead in the water for years. Nobody wants Bushes back in office, plain and simple!
Some important things I've noticed regarding the GOP race. Late deciders break for Rubio and Trump doesn't get late deciders (something I argued would happen). If you're for Trump, you don't decide that last minute.
So Trump doesn't have this in the bag, yet. Just needs a fractured field for a little but longer and to maintain these leads closely.
Cruz, right now, is the one really destroying Rubio. I think, should Cruz drop out, Kasich would be forced out. Maybe even Carson (they just have to promise him fox news money). But so long as Cruz is in, he fucks rubio over even in a 3 man race.
If Cruz was any normal person, he could leverage this into a big thing like SCOTUS appointment promise, VP, or SoS or something. But he's so full of himself I don't think he cares.
If Trump ends up winning basically because Cruz is his own man fighting for himself, what does the GOP do going forward. I see two possible scenarios. In the first, the GOP tries to punish him harshly. Put him in the corner in the Senate, maybe even try to primary him. On the other hand, let's say it's 2020 and things are going well and Hillary is well likes. They can nominate Cruz for President to go to the slaughter and destroy his career.
I don't see how this doesn't end poorly for Cruz. He can't win the nomination now (math does not work) and everyone in the GOP will hate him even more if Trump is the nominee and they lose the Senate and House gets close and it will be his fault!
Those are the two so far
Well, that's compelling new material that will win over voters previously not convinced.
If only Jeb! could have lasted til super tuesday. Oh well.
Kasich, Carson, and Cruz just need to stay in as long as possible.
I still can't believe some people here actually thought Jeb! had a shot. He was so dead in the water for years. Nobody wants Bushes back in office, plain and simple!
Some important things I've noticed regarding the GOP race. Late deciders break for Rubio and Trump doesn't get late deciders (something I argued would happen). If you're for Trump, you don't decide that last minute.
So Trump doesn't have this in the bag, yet. Just needs a fractured field for a little but longer and to maintain these leads closely.
Cruz, right now, is the one really destroying Rubio. I think, should Cruz drop out, Kasich would be forced out. Maybe even Carson (they just have to promise him fox news money). But so long as Cruz is in, he fucks rubio over even in a 3 man race.
If Cruz was any normal person, he could leverage this into a big thing like SCOTUS appointment promise, VP, or SoS or something. But he's so full of himself I don't think he cares.
If Trump ends up winning basically because Cruz is his own man fighting for himself, what does the GOP do going forward. I see two possible scenarios. In the first, the GOP tries to punish him harshly. Put him in the corner in the Senate, maybe even try to primary him. On the other hand, let's say it's 2020 and things are going well and Hillary is well likes. They can nominate Cruz for President to go to the slaughter and destroy his career.
I don't see how this doesn't end poorly for Cruz. He can't win the nomination now (math does not work) and everyone in the GOP will hate him even more if Trump is the nominee and they lose the Senate and House gets close and it will be his fault!
if only texas did not have runoff rules.......
Macho Madness
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Difference #3: We are standing up to corporate interests. That's what THIS campaign is about. We're not sure what HRC's campaign is about.
I hope the last two are new.
I hope the last two are new.
Jesus Christ, he needs new material.
It doesn't not hurt her.How does this stuff not hurt Hillary? I know 2008 was rough, but Obama is not Hillary. And the climate in 2008 was NOT the climate we have now, specifically with respect to establishment politics?
This is why you have been hearing tons of stories about enraged dems, and why Hillary had steam coming out of her ears at the debate after the "not a progressive" thing- he's poisoning the well w/ attacks because he doesn't actually care about the collective.
Hillary/Obama was a brutal slugfest, but aside from the racist group (who I suspect moved to Sanders this cycle), it was kept above the belt.
Danny Freeman ‏@DannyEFreeman 6m6 minutes ago
Have never seen Sanders go after Clinton this directly before.
Danny Freeman ‏@DannyEFreeman 8m8 minutes ago
.@BernieSanders says that how a candidate raises campaign funds is linked to how he/she would govern
yikes
Nevada is FINALLY finished counting?Hillary wins NV-4, so she now has 52 delegates.
So is the final result from Nevada now 20-15 delegates in Hillary's favor?
Veritigo_X
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I hope the last two are new.
How is it a difference if they admit they don't know what Hillary's campaign is about?
If only Jeb! could have lasted til super tuesday. Oh well.
Kasich, Carson, and Cruz just need to stay in as long as possible.
I still can't believe some people here actually thought Jeb! had a shot. He was so dead in the water for years. Nobody wants Bushes back in office, plain and simple!
Some important things I've noticed regarding the GOP race. Late deciders break for Rubio and Trump doesn't get late deciders (something I argued would happen). If you're for Trump, you don't decide that last minute.
So Trump doesn't have this in the bag, yet. Just needs a fractured field for a little but longer and to maintain these leads closely.
Cruz, right now, is the one really destroying Rubio. I think, should Cruz drop out, Kasich would be forced out. Maybe even Carson (they just have to promise him fox news money). But so long as Cruz is in, he fucks rubio over even in a 3 man race.
If Cruz was any normal person, he could leverage this into a big thing like SCOTUS appointment promise, VP, or SoS or something. But he's so full of himself I don't think he cares.
If Trump ends up winning basically because Cruz is his own man fighting for himself, what does the GOP do going forward. I see two possible scenarios. In the first, the GOP tries to punish him harshly. Put him in the corner in the Senate, maybe even try to primary him. On the other hand, let's say it's 2020 and things are going well and Hillary is well likes. They can nominate Cruz for President to go to the slaughter and destroy his career.
I don't see how this doesn't end poorly for Cruz. He can't win the nomination now (math does not work) and everyone in the GOP will hate him even more if Trump is the nominee and they lose the Senate and House gets close and it will be his fault!
If I was Cruz I'd think outside the box.
Make a deal with Trump. Trump is all about deals, right? Endorse Trump in exchange for the VP nomination.
Establishment Ragnarök.
It's like a Bernie Sanders See 'N Say..I hope the last two are new.
Nevada is FINALLY finished counting?
So is the final result from Nevada now 20-15 delegates in Hillary's favor?
Yes, that is correct.
Coriolanus
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If Cruz was any normal person, he could leverage this into a big thing like SCOTUS appointment promise, VP, or SoS or something. But he's so full of himself I don't think he cares.
Given how much of a cynical bastard Cruz is, wouldn't be surprised if he were perfectly aware that hills has this (largely) in the bag, and wanted a more favourable exchange, already considering that Rubio would be defeated. Question then becomes what the creature could ask for, given this outcome.
As for putting him in the corner in the senate, haven't they largely done that already? Plus he can just refuse to run for prez in 2020.
eBay Huckster
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How is it a difference if they admit they don't know what Hillary's campaign is about?
I know what Hillary's campaign is about.
Maybe Bernie's doesn't because it doesn't understand anything that isn't a noun, a verb, and Wall Street.
Cesare Borgia
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yikes
Too late. He should have been going at her from the beginning instead of the weak "high road." You're not going to beat anyone, especially a Clinton, playing nice.
Macho Madness
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"We believe that we won a majority of the Latino vote and we're very proud of that," @BernieSanders tells the press in Boston.
Sanders asked if he has a path to victory. Simple answer "is a three letter word," he says - "Y-E-S" + they are in it for the long haul
That seems to be Bernie going forward
yikes
Starting to become concerned that he'll go scorched earth like Hillary did in 2008.
That seems to be Bernie going forward
Both of those things are probably not true, though.
That seems to be Bernie going forward
This makes me more confident of a Hillary victory, if his campaign is blinding themselves by using false data.
VendettaRed07
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If only Jeb! could have lasted til super tuesday. Oh well.
Kasich, Carson, and Cruz just need to stay in as long as possible.
I still can't believe some people here actually thought Jeb! had a shot. He was so dead in the water for years. Nobody wants Bushes back in office, plain and simple!
Some important things I've noticed regarding the GOP race. Late deciders break for Rubio and Trump doesn't get late deciders (something I argued would happen). If you're for Trump, you don't decide that last minute.
So Trump doesn't have this in the bag, yet. Just needs a fractured field for a little but longer and to maintain these leads closely.
Cruz, right now, is the one really destroying Rubio. I think, should Cruz drop out, Kasich would be forced out. Maybe even Carson (they just have to promise him fox news money). But so long as Cruz is in, he fucks rubio over even in a 3 man race.
If Cruz was any normal person, he could leverage this into a big thing like SCOTUS appointment promise, VP, or SoS or something. But he's so full of himself I don't think he cares.
If Trump ends up winning basically because Cruz is his own man fighting for himself, what does the GOP do going forward. I see two possible scenarios. In the first, the GOP tries to punish him harshly. Put him in the corner in the Senate, maybe even try to primary him. On the other hand, let's say it's 2020 and things are going well and Hillary is well likes. They can nominate Cruz for President to go to the slaughter and destroy his career.
I don't see how this doesn't end poorly for Cruz. He can't win the nomination now (math does not work) and everyone in the GOP will hate him even more if Trump is the nominee and they lose the Senate and House gets close and it will be his fault!
I think they hate Cruz so much they won't even give him the dignity of being put on the national stage and get a republican nomination even if its a scenario where it looks like it will be a loss.
I think that getting someone to primary him is probably a more likely scenario. They want him buried.
QuiteWhittle
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That seems to be Bernie going forward
"We believe that we won a majority of the Latino vote and we're very proud of that," @BernieSanders tells the press in Boston.
He's really going ahead with this bullshit?
RastaMentality
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Hope we get a 3AM ad again but this time about Wall Street crashing.Starting to become concerned that he'll go scorched earth like Hillary did in 2008.
Macho Madness
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Both of those things are probably not true, though.
I know, but they're going to be optimistic.
He can say that now, and talk all about delegates. Because he does have a lot of small donors he must keep fighting for.
But the delegate math doesn't work in his favor, (though it may not work for her either), at least in terms of ultimately reaching the amount to win. So if Bernie does drag this along to the convention (where she'd prevail anyway) and do nothing but talk shit and damage her in the process, I'll lose a lot of respect for him.
The way he and his campaign have already been acting post-Nevada has been really disconcerting. They've lost touch with reality and are kinda acting like those embittered Bernie Bros on reddit.
It's not a response befitting the high-minded and principled campaign he's claimed he's wanted to run so far. Maybe that's on his campaign managers and shit, but he still bears some responsibility for things. Go down fighting sure, but not like this.
But the delegate math doesn't work in his favor, (though it may not work for her either), at least in terms of ultimately reaching the amount to win. So if Bernie does drag this along to the convention (where she'd prevail anyway) and do nothing but talk shit and damage her in the process, I'll lose a lot of respect for him.
The way he and his campaign have already been acting post-Nevada has been really disconcerting. They've lost touch with reality and are kinda acting like those embittered Bernie Bros on reddit.
It's not a response befitting the high-minded and principled campaign he's claimed he's wanted to run so far. Maybe that's on his campaign managers and shit, but he still bears some responsibility for things. Go down fighting sure, but not like this.
He's really going ahead with this bullshit?
it'll be proven false in a weeks time in Texas.
Weaver and Devine are corrupting him.
Hillary wins NV-4, so she now has 52 delegates.
Wat. Did they have a sleepover?
I think one of the problems with Bernie's campaign is that we're back to where we were before the process started -- Bernie has little-to-no chance of winning the nomination. Iowa and New Hampshire were always going to be VERY friendly towards Bernie. And I think that go into everyone's head that this was possible, when it always was a huge uphill battle from the beginning.
And Bernie probably bought into that, no doubt from his shitty campaign team. And now he's flailing.
And Bernie probably bought into that, no doubt from his shitty campaign team. And now he's flailing.
Both of those things are probably not true, though.
The longer this goes on, the more 'tradtional' aspects of campaigning emerge from his campaign.
hipsterpants
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So maybe I'm just ignorant to it all, but is it typical in political discourse online to always assume the front-runner is going to lose despite the evidence?
I mean we have
- Bernie beating Hillary discussion despite evidence to the contrary
- Rubio beating Trump despite evidence to the contrary
- Trump beating Hillary despite evidence to the contrary
The Trump thing especially drives me crazy. All this talk about "energized bases" and whatnot yet nobody seems to acknowledge the fact that we will very likely have people coming out to specifically vote against Trump, especially minorities. Assuming that Trump wins the primary.
I mean we have
- Bernie beating Hillary discussion despite evidence to the contrary
- Rubio beating Trump despite evidence to the contrary
- Trump beating Hillary despite evidence to the contrary
The Trump thing especially drives me crazy. All this talk about "energized bases" and whatnot yet nobody seems to acknowledge the fact that we will very likely have people coming out to specifically vote against Trump, especially minorities. Assuming that Trump wins the primary.
Raucous Caucus 2016Wat. Did they have a sleepover?
(EDM foam party after)
Black Mamba
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If I was Cruz I'd think outside the box.
Make a deal with Trump. Trump is all about deals, right? Endorse Trump in exchange for the VP nomination.
Establishment Ragnarök.
The deal would be not to leave the race. More Cruz voters go to Rubio than probably any other block except maybe Carson's.
Cruz staying in, rather than endorsement, is the deal to make.
I think they hate Cruz so much they won't even give him the dignity of being put on the national stage and get a republican nomination even if its a scenario where it looks like it will be a loss.
I think that getting someone to primary him is probably a more likely scenario. They want him buried.
I agree. Just musing about 2020 if Hillary is popular. In such a case, Rubio/Haley etc should wait it out. Maybe let Jeb! take his final beating, lol.
I was just thinking about later down the road when Obama starts campaigning for Hillary.
I hope it starts in Unity to mirror when Hillary endorsed Obama. I think it would be touching.
Also I'm hoping she references putting more cracks in that ceiling. Good theme she doesnt much reference like she did in her concession last time around.
I hope it starts in Unity to mirror when Hillary endorsed Obama. I think it would be touching.
Also I'm hoping she references putting more cracks in that ceiling. Good theme she doesnt much reference like she did in her concession last time around.
So maybe I'm just ignorant to it all, but is it typical in political discourse online to always assume the front-runner is going to lose despite the evidence?
I mean we have
- Bernie beating Hillary discussion despite evidence to the contrary
- Rubio beating Trump despite evidence to the contrary
- Trump beating Hillary despite evidence to the contrary
The Trump thing especially drives me crazy. All this talk about "energized bases" and whatnot yet nobody seems to acknowledge the fact that we will very likely have people coming out to specifically vote against Trump, especially minorities. Assuming that Trump wins the primary.
Well discourse flows through the media, mainstream or otherwise. So what's more interesting, a dead heat or a blowout? If the media keeps pushing these tight race stories, that drives traffic
What's the transcirpts thing Bernie is all about?
Hillary has given paid speeches to Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs. Bernie supporters want the transcripts public because they believe there's a smoking gun proving Hillary is in the pockets of Wall Street, a la Mittens' "47%" comment in 2012
RastaMentality
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This man talks like a kindergartener but I love it.@realDonaldTrump: Many people are now saying I won South Carolina because of the last debate. I showed anger and the people of our country are very angry!
UltimaPooh
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He can say that now, and talk all about delegates. Because he does have a lot of small donors he must keep fighting for.
But the delegate math doesn't work in his favor, (though it may not work for her either), at least in terms of ultimately reaching the amount to win. So if Bernie does drag this along to the convention (where she'd prevail anyway) and do nothing but talk shit and damage her in the process, I'll lose a lot of respect for him.
The way he and his campaign have already been acting post-Nevada has been really disconcerting. They've lost touch with reality and are kinda acting like those embittered Bernie Bros on reddit.
It's not a response befitting the high-minded and principled campaign he's claimed he's wanted to run so far. Maybe that's on his campaign managers and shit, but he still bears some responsibility for things. Go down fighting sure, but not like this.
When has Bernie ever talked shit on Hilary? Usually he's been pretty tame when it comes to any kind of attacks.
Mostly it's been Hilary doing the slinging... Though things can change... I just don't see Bernie himself personally doing that.
eBay Huckster
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When has Bernie ever talked shit on Hilary?
You mean aside from the passive aggressive shit noted at the top of this page?
PopcornMegaphone
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Compared to Obama vs Hillary I think this spat is pretty tame. That said, I suspect Bernie supporters are more likely to be disillusioned and not show up in Nov.
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