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[benjipwns]

I think the highlight of the next four years will be watching Trump supporters react to the GOP either not fixing shit for them

But what if he does. He said he will, he's the best, he'll make great deals. The biggest deals.

 

[Blader]

I wonder what's going to happen to NASA funding under a purely Republican Government.

They spend a good deal of time looking at the changing climate here, but these people are also short-sighted enough to not see the advantages of exploring the solar system.

Don't Republicans love NASA? Bush talked about landing on Mars by 2020 (woops). I assume conservatives have an affinity for NASA and space because it ties into their memories of the space race and one-upping Russia in the Cold War.

 

[Hindl]

So my concern is really with PA. Hillary ran up the margins in places she should, but it really was these hidden white voters who came out of the woodwork. Without Florida or North Carolina, I don't know where you make up those numbers. I'm less concerned about WI and MI, because those were so close and that could've been the result of shitty GOTV and and data.

She ran up the margins in the city of Philly, but didn't run up the margins in the suburbs surrounding it like Buck's county.

 

[Pixieking]

I didn't laugh or mock them. I just thought voters could be people who could vote for a better future, regardless of personalities or candidates.

Instead, there is a fixation on a person. Not just Hillary or Trump, but also Sanders. Biden. Obama. Michelle. Warren.

Maybe it was just my philosophy of voting. I cast votes not because I believe I should put the weight of the whole country on one pair of shoulders, but because I believe my vote represents the direction I want the country to proceed in. That government is not about a singular person but about the collective ability of people to steer a very large, very varied ship.

Candidates and individual presidents are fleeting. Yes, they make important decisions in office that change many lives. But the fact of US democracy is that we do not have dictatorships, we have two-terms-at-most presidents and life continues after an idol leaves the office. Legislation is written by Congress. Laws are weighed by the Supreme Court. You cannot rely on having the zeitgeist of the moment represented in human form every single presidential election. You cannot rely on that person to be the winner in a primary or a general election.

What happens when the 'chosen one' candidate loses the primary again next time? Or the time after that? Why is it so hard for liberals to unify behind a platform and a direction for America rather than behind a person that they burden with all their hopes and then abandon during the midterms?

Removed your last two paragraphs, because this! This should be printed off and mailed to every one of the registered but unmotivated voters of the Democratic Party. This is politics, people.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

You people are dreadfully optimistic of a turn on Trump.
When he can just find another group to scapegoat.
They bought his lies before.

your avatar is perfect for every post you do. Its rough man I know but we will come back from this.

 

[BSsBrolly]

I think the highlight of the next four years will be watching Trump supporters react to the GOP either not fixing shit for them or not passing (either due to Congress or Trump not bringing it up) the more racist proposals he made.

And I'm sure the smarter members of the GOP see how Trump just barely one. A rejuvenated and motivated Dem party (of which there will be one) is at the advantage in 2020 unless he actually turns out to be decent.

A motivated Dem party like 2004? I think it's gonna be tough to oust a sitting President unless his first term is a complete disaster...

 

[Crocodile]

I didn't laugh or mock them. I just thought voters could be people who could vote for a better future, regardless of personalities or candidates.

Instead, there is a fixation on a person. Not just Hillary or Trump, but also Sanders. Biden. Obama. Michelle. Warren.

Maybe it was just my philosophy of voting. I cast votes not because I believe I should put the weight of the whole country on one pair of shoulders, but because I believe my vote represents the direction I want the country to proceed in. That government is not about a singular person but about the collective ability of people to steer a very large, very varied ship.

Candidates and individual presidents are fleeting. Yes, they make important decisions in office that change many lives. But the fact of US democracy is that we do not have dictatorships, we have two-terms-at-most presidents and life continues after an idol leaves the office. Legislation is written by Congress. Laws are weighed by the Supreme Court. You cannot rely on having the zeitgeist of the moment represented in human form every single presidential election. You cannot rely on that person to be the winner in a primary or a general election.

What happens when the 'chosen one' candidate loses the primary again next time? Or the time after that? Why is it so hard for liberals to unify behind a platform and a direction for America rather than behind a person that they burden with all their hopes and then abandon during the midterms?

It is incredibly troubling that people were ready to declare Bernie Sanders a 'martyr' after the election, as if he had been martyred for anything. If anything, the people who were martyred this election were Obama and Hillary. Obama, because all the progress he fought for in 8 years will be wiped out. Hillary, because she believed America was good.

It is laughable to chant economic anxiety and economic populism and then champion democratic socialism. Because in the end economic populism is also about greed and capitalism, over community and love and kindness. It's about the capitalistic wants of the white rural voters.

This echoes my philosophy as well. Which is why when someone gives me the option of voting between the "lesser of two evils" I JUMP at the chance. Any opportunity I'm given to express myself or push thins towards the direction I feel is best is an opportunity I will take.

 

[benjipwns]

It begins:

President-elect Donald Trump has invited British Prime Minister Theresa May for a visit to the United States "as soon as possible," according to a spokesperson for No. 10 Downing Street.

Trump spoke with May by phone on Thursday, the prime minister's office said, and she congratulated him "on his hard-fought election campaign and victory." The president-elect said he looked forward to working together, and expressed confidence "that the special relationship would go from strength to strength," the spokesperson said.

 

[BiggNife]

A motivated Dem party like 2004? I think it's gonna be tough to oust a sitting President unless his first term is a complete disaster...

They also nominated John Kerry, who had the charisma of a wet towel. That's pretty significant.

 

[Pixieking]

So very relevant to the last few posts:

The Daily 202: Trumpism and Ryanism are on a collision course. Who blinks first?

Trump’s victory represents nothing less than a repudiation of Ryan’s brand of Republicanism, both substantively and stylistically. The two have sharply different views of what it means to be a conservative, and they want to take the Republican Party down different paths.

Ryan is strongly pro-trade, pro-immigration, pro-entitlement reform, pro-religious tolerance and pro-NATO.

 

[thefro]

A motivated Dem party like 2004? I think it's gonna be tough to oust a sitting President unless his first term is a complete disaster...

The party's way more motivated than 2004 at this point.

It's just going to take some organization and an outlet for that anger and you'll see big things.

Remember, Trump is more disliked than Bush ever was (pre-2006). He'll be lucky to get to a positive approval rating.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

A motivated Dem party like 2004? I think it's gonna be tough to oust a sitting President unless his first term is a complete disaster...

Bush's first term wasn't a disaster. 9-11 happened, his popularity sky rocketed, the Iraq war was super popular and the economy had cracks, but was doing alright. Kerry was a boring candidate. And it's not hard to see how Bush won.

Bush's second term is when everything fell apart. Katrina hit in 2005. The Iraq war was hated by 2006. And by 2008 the economy had completely and totally fallen apart. Dem enthusiasm when stuff started actually falling apart increased dramatically.

 

[Plumbob]

So very relevant to the last few posts:

The Daily 202: Trumpism and Ryanism are on a collision course. Who blinks first?

The status quo wins for sure. Trump is already reverting to the Republican mean.

 

[Blader]

Kander's last (or what I assume to be last) campaign email:

This is the email where I’m supposed to thank you for all you’ve done for me, tell you how much it meant to me, and then say my goodbyes and wish you luck on your journey. I’m supposed to say something like, “Perhaps our paths will cross again.”

But that’s not how I roll. Of course, I am thankful to you and I’m forever grateful for this experience. But why wouldn’t I be? Let’s talk about something important.

We’re all disappointed about Tuesday night’s results. We lost an election. In fact, we – the Democrats – lost a whole mess of elections on Tuesday.

But please know that I’m going to be fine. My wife is gorgeous and brilliant, and my son True is my best little buddy in the world. We are not the people who will be hurt by these election results. So please don’t spend any time being sad for me. If you’re going to be sad for someone, make it the single mom who has cancer and is scared to death about being unable to keep her insurance to continue treatments without Obamacare. Worry about the undocumented student who has only ever known this country and is worried about what happens to her now. Worry about the minimum wage worker trying to stretch $30 into a full grocery trip. Let your heart go out to the college student saddled with enormous debt and unable to get help from a parent whose own graduate degree has forced him into bankruptcy.

I met each of those people, in real life, during this campaign. And it fueled me the whole way. But here’s the thing, that fuel is still in my tank. Why? I love this country and I won’t let losing an election force me away from the process.

Pick yourself up. Dust yourself off. Yes, Donald Trump is going to be President and the Republicans control the House and the Senate, but I need that to double your resolve, not cause you to give up on our politics.

Be proud of the campaign we ran. In a “red” state that Donald Trump won by 19%, we came within 3% of turning the Senate seat blue. And we didn’t do it by hugging the middle and pretending to be moderate Republicans.

I wouldn’t change a single day on this campaign. I’m proud that we took on some of the biggest names in Republican politics and darn near shocked the world. We fought for smart environmental policies, for unions, for LGBT equality, for commonsense gun safety, and a host of other important causes. I’m proud that we didn’t back down and that we demonstrated that the most important thing Democrats can do is make their argument.

If you were a part of this campaign in even the smallest way, you might feel like stepping away from it all to lick your wounds. Maybe you think you’re done with volunteering or donating or even believing in anything changing. Well, you won’t get a pass from me. Staying engaged has become more important than ever.

And this is the time to maintain that engagement. A new generation is stepping forward in America. Don’t let anyone tell you that this generation is selfish. This is a generation that cares more about ideas than ideology and measures patriotism not by a politician’s eagerness to go to war but by their willingness to do what’s right no matter the political cost. And this generation knows better than to let any politician – even a President – tell them that a changing country is a declining country.

I don’t know what I’m going to do next or even whether I’ll ever place my name on a ballot again, but I know I’m not leaving this cause behind. To truly care about this country is to demonstrate that you care about her politics the same when you’re winning as when you’re losing.

America needs you now more than ever. So don’t quit! This generation is patriotic, creative, selfless, and – most importantly – numerous. My campaign might no longer be the vehicle for your activism, but that doesn’t mean you’re excused from standing up and making your voice heard.

Take some time off...

Ok, was that enough time?

We have work to do. You in?

I like this guy.

 

[BSsBrolly]

The party's way more motivated than 2004 at this point.

It's just going to take some organization and an outlet for that anger and you'll see big things.

Remember, Trump is more disliked than Bush ever was (pre-2006). He'll be lucky to get to a positive approval rating.

I certainly hope so, for our environments sake. I just wonder who we have to run in 2020. Knowing we're gonna lose big in 2018 is depressing as hell too.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

White Evangelical voting:

Trump: 81%
Hillary: 16%


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha



HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

 

[tuffy]

A motivated Dem party like 2004? I think it's gonna be tough to oust a sitting President unless his first term is a complete disaster...

I was thinking about 1992 as a template. If the economy is worse off four years from now and a lot of Trump's wild-ass promises go unfulfilled, I don't think it's out-of-reach - especially since the majority of voters didn't vote for him the first time around.

 

[Hindl]

A motivated Dem party like 2004? I think it's gonna be tough to oust a sitting President unless his first term is a complete disaster...

Part of it is that we put up Kerry. If we find that charismatic inspiration that can even just hold Hillary's minority numbers and win back some of the rust belt it's winnable. But I don't know where that candidate exists.

 

[Fox318]

It begins:

NATO pull out?

 

[Crocodile]

A motivated Dem party like 2004? I think it's gonna be tough to oust a sitting President unless his first term is a complete disaster...

I do think there is some concern that if Trump's presidency doesn't result in the start of a nuclear war that some voters will be willing to give him a lot of slack because the bar is so low.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Kander's last (or what I assume to be last) campaign email:



I like this guy.

I absolutely adore Kander. I hope the dems know what they have with him and give a role going forward. He ran 16 points ahead of Hillary Clinton because he's a monster of a candidate who seemed to have cracked the formula of appealing to everyone to some extent.

 

[Pixieking]

Kander's last (or what I assume to be last) campaign email:



I like this guy.

Fuck, that has me in tears.

That should also be sent to every registered Democrat voter who didn't vote.

 

[BSsBrolly]

I do think there is some concern that if Trump's presidency doesn't result in the start of a nuclear war that some voters will be willing to give him a lot of slack because the bar is so low.

I don't think that bar will be low this time. He'll actually have policies he passed or didn't pass that he'll have to defend.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I certainly hope so, for our environments sake. I just wonder who we have to run in 2020. Knowing we're gonna lose big in 2018 is depressing as hell too.

The incumbent party typically loses midterms.

Not saying we have this in the bag, but it's not over yet.

 

[bananas]

W was able to win re-election by getting high hispanic vote.

The only way Trump will be re-elected is if he convinces the same white voters who voted for him this time to come out again and that depends entirely on how much he helps them over the next 4 years.

 

[The Technomancer]

I finally ventured back on Facebook

Surprisingly...much better than I expected. I was worried since I didn't really know the politics of high-school friends that much, but across the board it looks like I was friends with the right people

The one that genuinely shocked me was a native Hawaiian woman who's a software developer, I never in a million years would have taken her for a MAGA-er, especially considering her views on Hawaiian sovereignty.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I absolutely adore Kander. I hope the dems know what they have with him and give a role going forward. He ran 16 points ahead of Hillary Clinton because he's a monster of a candidate who seemed to have cracked the formula of appealing to everyone to some extent.

As someone who is relatively soft on gun rights (it's not a major issue for me), Kander is exactly the sort of Democrat I could easily see rocking an election.

 

[Pixieking]

I certainly hope so, for our environments sake. I just wonder who we have to run in 2020. Knowing we're gonna lose big in 2018 is depressing as hell too.

Read Kander's statement a few posts above. Do not talk about losing the mid-terms - do something about it.

 

[A Human Becoming]

And Texas. Florida was hopeful too, the rural vote was just too high. My hope is that if Trump doesn't improve things, the rural whites in the panhandle will be less enthused once they have a body of work to judge on. May be too hopeful though, but you can see how the new Democratic map will eventually flow through the Southwest and mid-atlantic. Just gotta stop the hemorrhaging in the Rust Belt, which, given was lost by 110K, isn't impossible.

Even though she lost Florida, Democrats have actually been improving their situation there since 2008 when you look at the margin vs the rest of the country.

In 2008, Obama won Florida by 2.82% while winning nationally by 7.27%, giving it a 4.45% Republican lean. He went on to win it again in 2012 by .88% while winning the nation by 3.86%, a 2.98% Republican lean. Without more specific numbers available, Hillary lost Florida by 1.3% while winning nationally by .2%, a 1.5% Republican lean.

If Democrats pick a candidate people actually like in 2020 they can win Florida unless the next four years go incredibly well for Trump.

 

[djplaeskool]

NATO pull out?

Even most republicans know leaving NATO is a bad, BAD idea.
This is going to get major friction.

 

[Kusagari]

I don't care that he lost or has no experience.

If Kander wants it, start pushing him nationally now and prepare him for 2020.

 

[BiggNife]

I do think there is some concern that if Trump's presidency doesn't result in the start of a nuclear war that some voters will be willing to give him a lot of slack because the bar is so low.

ehhhh

If he doesn't start giving the middle class their factory jobs back and we go into a recession because of massive spending (both of which are likely) Trump will lose support.

And, as others have said, this election was not lost on Trump having too much support, it was lost on Hillary not having enough. A strong candidate could beat Trump even if things are mostly okay in 4 years (which I highly doubt they will).

 

[balladofwindfishes]

NATO pull out?

Ryan and McConnell are not going to pull out of NATO or touch NATO in any way.

Trump holds a lot of Republican ideals. He also holds a lot of ideals only Trump holds. The latter is going to cause some fire works.

I don't care that he lost or has no experience.

If Kander wants it, start pushing him nationally now and prepare him for 2020.

I think he can do it without experience. How exactly can incumbent President Trump possibly use Kander's lack of experience against him?

It would be nonsense for Trump to try.

 

[Pixieking]

Clinton’s data-driven campaign relied heavily on an algorithm named Ada. What didn’t she see?

Inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, she was known as Ada. Like the candidate herself, she had a penchant for secrecy and a private server. As blame gets parceled out Wednesday for the Democrat's stunning loss to Republican President-elect Donald Trump, Ada is likely to get a lot of second-guessing.

Ada is a complex computer algorithm that the campaign was prepared to publicly unveil after the election as its invisible guiding hand. Named for a female 19th-century mathematician — Ada, Countess of Lovelace — the algorithm was said to play a role in virtually every strategic decision Clinton aides made, including where and when to deploy the candidate and her battalion of surrogates and where to air television ads — as well as when it was safe to stay dark.

The campaign's deployment of other resources — including county-level campaign offices and the staging of high-profile concerts with stars like Jay Z and Beyoncé — was largely dependent on Ada's work, as well.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Kander's last (or what I assume to be last) campaign email:



I like this guy.

I'll keep beating the drum, let him be the DNC clean up man then jump to Gov., then Pres.

 

[SexyFish]

I don't care that he lost or has no experience.

If Kander wants it, start pushing him nationally now and prepare him for 2020.

Not enough political experience isn't a criticism now that we have President Trump.

 

[BiggNife]

Yeah I feel like as long as Kander has enough passion and charisma his experience doesn't really matter

Fuck it. If he wants to run, let him run.

Honestly, It's kind of silly seeing people say "Maybe Mark Cuban should run" and then say "Kander doesn't have enough experience!" in the same breath.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Yeah I feel like as long as Kander has enough passion and charisma his experience doesn't really matter

Fuck it. If he wants to run, let him run.

Honestly, It's kind of silly seeing people say "Maybe Mark Cuban should run" and then say "Kander doesn't have enough experience!" in the same breath.

It's even more silly to have President-Elect Donald Trump and say "Kander doesn't have enough experience!"

 

[dramatis]

I think Mark Cuban was suggested as a bitter joke.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Not enough political experience isn't a criticism now that we have President Trump.

Come on now. Kander pays his taxes and didn't lose 916 million dollars in bankruptcy. He's unqualified. When was the last time he stoked fear into any minority group? Next!

 

[maabus1999]

So, if the GOP Congress gets into a head to head with Trump, wouldn't it be a strange development if Trump cut ties and became the first "Independent President" of the U.S., remote but a possibility with the way he handled the primary.

 

[Pixieking]

Not enough political experience isn't a criticism now that we have President Trump.

Exactly. If we do go on the idea that Clinton was standoffish, unrelatable, and the establishment, then Kander is the perfect way to go. That gun assembly ad was awesome as fuck.

He's intelligent, well-spoken, charismatic, knows policy, is young-ish and is a veteran. I don't know how you can go better than that, without switching genders (and I think the implicit bias against a woman president screwed us over, even if just a little).

It's even more silly to have President-Elect Donald Trump and say "Kander doesn't have enough experience!"

The youthful Army veteran, a relative newcomer to politics, portrays Blunt as the living embodiment of what many loathe about their national government.

“Sen. Blunt... wakes up every morning in Washington thinking about what he can do that day for the special interests that fund his campaign and his lifestyle,” Kander said during a recent stop at a small pie shop in Rolla, part of a statewide bus tour.

He knows how to play the game. In Missouri, Donald Trump turns a sleeper Senate race into a toss-up — with a message that helps Democrats. Against Trump, he'd play his lack of experience up and make Trump look like Clinton.

 

[thehypocrite]

At the end of the day Democrats/liberals picked the wrong election to choose idealism over pragmatism. Silly decision considering the consequences.

I'm just hoping Trump somehow finds decency when faced the sheer amount of people he can affect.

If that doesn't matter lets hope Ryan, McConnell, Schumer and Pelosi can be out firewall because our news media has failed us.

You are wrong. If in 2016 the DNC doesn't understand what motivates people to vote the responsibility lies solely with them. During the primary process you all screamed at Bernie supporters, you denigrate them at every opportunity and them smugly told them to fall in line without even giving the VP spot as a way to unify with people THAT WANTED to vote for the Democrats, and were as rabid as the Trump supporters and younger. Hillary did this to us, she made the campaign about her instead of providing value to the base of the party. A bad candidate promoted by an echo chamber of people out of touch with those that disagree with them.

 

[Meadows]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUxHd0yqJYA

live cam outside whitehouse with a hot mic

you can hear all the journos talking without knowing about it

 

[Retromelon]

So very relevant to the last few posts:

Trump’s victory represents nothing less than a repudiation of Ryan’s brand of Republicanism, both substantively and stylistically. The two have sharply different views of what it means to be a conservative, and they want to take the Republican Party down different paths.

Ryan is strongly pro-trade, pro-immigration, pro-entitlement reform, pro-religious tolerance and pro-NATO.

It is saddening as fuck that those last two are up for debate. God damn it Hillary you could have saved us from this

 

[BiggNife]

I think Mark Cuban was suggested as a bitter joke.

No. There were definitely people in this thread just yesterday proposing him as a counter for Trump.

And honestly? I'd vote for him but also I'd probably vote for anyone on the dem ticket in 2020.

 

[TyrantII]

Obama got stabbed in the back

 

[Cybit]

She lost three blue states a black guy carried twice. This is about a flawed campaign strategy, a flawed candidate, lower base turnout, and white women being cooler with voting for a misogynist abuser than we thought.

Not going to lie, I didn't see Clinton losing MI, WI, and PA. Especially MI, where things looked good; iirc she lost by what, <20k votes? But I don't understand ignoring Wisconsin, given what happened in the primary. PA...that's just a loss, can't fault the campaign given that Philly turned out well.

We don't have to "cater" to white racists, nor is this a simple black/white issue of appealing to x or appealing to y. We ran a candidate who has had problems in the midwest contests since 2008, who has been on every side of trade issues since the 1990s. It was bad. And in the future it's clear candidates have to take a different, honest approach as opposed to lying to people. NAFTA didn't kill the jobs these white people claim it did, the death of manufacturing began in the 1980s, etc. But they believe NAFTA, TPP, etc are destroying their neighborhoods. We can't change that.

Truth.

Kander's last (or what I assume to be last) campaign email:



I like this guy.

In case you wonder why I liked Kander so much.

 

[benjipwns]

He was endorsed by the fricking NRA, for heaven's sake

Is that why they rated him a 7% and spent $1 million on ads against him?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

His lack of experience is his only weakness.

Hopefully his gun stuff can get him by a primary, though. Some old establishment Dem who wants "their turn" is going to go out there and get him to talk about gun control in a debate. And run gun stuff against him. "Endorsed by the NRA" could possibly lose a Dem primary for him.

I think he can overcome it, but the Democrats should make sure to be careful in their next primary. Stuff like Hillary's speeches probably hurt a lot more in the general than what we saw back then.