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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented
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Man this week is gonna be awful
How... nice...? of him? eh?
Sometimes you realize that he really does talk to his followers as if they're 4 years old, and that also that's apparently the appropriate way to talk to them.
metalslimer
Member
I don't think he is.
There's the emoluments clause, which given his wide-ranging business interests is very relevant. And we've already seen what could happen with that and his conflicts of interest - For foreign diplomats, Trump hotel is place to be.
But this of course requires people in power to give a damn.
More and more, I think the only people willing and able to move on a Constitutional issue against Trump would be Obama or Hillary.
I am not sure its 'mandated' so much as the mechanism in place when he is officially the president will make him susceptible to bribery, racketeering and unfair competitive clauses that he will at best get his entire company sued to high heaven, and at worst have impeachment level offenses the moment he is sworn into office. Its why I always found it less about being evil that he won't lose his business, but that him being president is actually an even larger liability to his company in the long run and thus he would be extremely stupid/arrogant not to divest his assets, which fits who he is to a letter.
And here we all thought Russia were the ones with the Trump sex tape...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Man wouldn't it be awesome if I believed any single mechanism designed to prevent this sort of shitstorm of a presidency was going to operate as intended
excelsiorlef
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Hayes: "Sanders, what do you think about political correctness?"
Sanders: "Republicans and some Democrats were selling Free Trade as a good thing, shame on them I say"
Hayes (asking the audience): "How many people think of free trade when they think of PC culture?"
*crickets*
Hayes (asking the audience): "How many people think of what you can/can't say about minority groups when they think of PC culture?"
*everybody raises their hands*
My lord, that might have been the worst answer regarding PCness I've ever seen. I'm super glad Sanders and Hayes are doing this town hall but already it kind of reminded me why I didn't vote for him in the primary
To be fair though, they are in Wisconsin
Also, no this isn't an invitation to relitigate the primary
That's not actually real is it?
This is bad.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh its terrible alright. Watch all the GOP heads talk about how "we need to look into it" and "this is unacceptable" and still let him get inaugurated.
If Trump goes down at any point in the next 4 years, chances are good he'll take the GOP with him. And in that case, the only sane move the party has is if they back Dems efforts to solidify some of the PEOTUS/POTUS norms into actual laws, and do something about the EC.
Hopeful, sure, but at some point the shit will stick to him, and he'll be just too toxic.
whyamihere
Banned
Eichenwald's reporting was pretty mediocre during the election, so I'm really not expecting a lot from this even if there's a story there. It'll probably be a lot of conjecture with not enough to really connect the dots.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
Obviously the best time to investigate and report on a Presidential candidate is after they've been elected. Unless it involves emails, but that goes without saying.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Enough to get Trump to cancel his conflicts presser? There's a little smoke here. I'll give him that much.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
WaPo Fact Checker: Trump’s claim that "the president can’t have a conflict of interest"
For all his flaws, Donald Trump is a master troll.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Oh, don't forget the possibility of something going wrong, like with the Clinton Foundation.
The argument rests on the Title of Nobility Clause, which states that a person holding any office may not receive "emoluments" (which is to say, payments) from foreign states without the consent of Congress.
There are a few arguments in either direction. Also, there's probably nobody with standing to sue under it.
Hayes: "Sanders, what do you think about political correctness?"
Sanders: "Republicans and some Democrats were selling Free Trade as a good thing, shame on them I say"
Hayes (asking the audience): "How many people think of free trade when they think of PC culture?"
*crickets*
Hayes (asking the audience): "How many people think of what you can/can't say about minority groups when they think of PC culture?"
*everybody raises their hands*
My lord, that might have been the worst answer regarding PCness I've ever seen. I'm super glad Sanders and Hayes are doing this town hall but already it kind of reminded me why I didn't vote for him in the primary
To be fair though, they are in Wisconsin
Also, no this isn't an invitation to relitigate the primary
That was great. Really glad Hayes did that. But still, in Bernie's defense, he was playing to the crowd. He knows damn well what political correctness is, but didn't want to let it divert from his message on the economy.
The other great part was right after the muslim woman spoke about how she was scared of the crazy shit Trump said he was going to do, and 3 of the 4 Trump supporters insisted that he was just lying (same people who also support him for "telling it like it is") and that no one seriously believes Trump would do what he said he would do, then the 4th Trump supporter comes out and says that actually, she believes Trump and hopes Trump he follows through.
SpaceCadetKeon
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Jesus Christ...my heart...
Of course, her reasons are precisely why she was for Trump in the way she was.
She believes the immigrants forced her wages to be depressed. Of course, this isn't entirely true, and she is also dangerously oblivious to the fact that in manufacturing, the goal is to axe her and the immigrant wholesale. They're both done for, more or less.
But her views are precisely what happens when you allow precarity and social scarcity to actually infect the lives of others. It becomes a game of egocentrism, of self/ingroup vs. other/outgroup. This game is of course happening at a beach as a tsunami starts to arrive, taking out all players in the process. She wants to sustain herself and sees the "other" as the threat, failing to realize the issue is not people, but where we're going fighting what we frighteningly adhere to.
We can sit here and try to call that woman a heartless witch, but when people have to fight for table scraps, tribalism gets formed. We should absolutely be looking at the cultural and social causes that produce such behavior and way of thinking.
This may be where part of the distrust about politicians stems from (not this situation specifically, but ones like it). Bernie has a message, and political correctness wasn't part of it, but to just ignore what's being asked and give a canned response creates a really bad perception. If he didn't want to answer the question then he should say so, but don't pretend it wasn't asked, and don't pretend that what you're saying has any relation to the question. It's patently evasive, gives folks the impression that you're trying to con them, and assumes that your audience is stupid.
Politicians do it all the time, and it never looks good. Hillary did it during the debates (most obviously when she was asked about Bill's affairs/accusations), and it was pretty bad.
"How can a bird blackmail the President? Your an idiot."
SpaceCadetKeon
Banned
Good to know that the Electoral College, as a fail-safe against dangerous and inept candidates, is completely useless.
Nothing?
I mean, it's about blind faith here. At it's heart a conflict of interest is just that, a conflict, not an outcome, and it depends on the person as to whether that conflict truly influences their job. To them, Clinton didn't have the integrity and Trump does. Period. Any deal he makes with Turkey will be good.
Besides, I doubt any of his supporters give two shits about keeping a wierdo Muslim cleric safe from Turkey, they'd probably give Trump props for getting something in return for kicking a Muslim out of the country.
cartoon_soldier
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PoliGAF running away from this nightmare timeline.
I missed this hahaha
"The country ought to be run like a business!"
You know this is how people will justify it. Of course, these are the same mouth breeders that neoliberal corporatism has spiked quite a few unfun sexual toys into as they look for a minority to blame for their ills.
We also have to question what effective means. I assume you mean "doing his job for the wellbeing of the public."
I imagine he will, and should be, effective at crashing and putting a great deal of society into ruins and further precarity.
Fox Mulder
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Dems should have got rid of it under Obama.
It isn't working as intended, but the republicans have benefitted from it twice recently and I imagine won't toss it.
nature boy
Member
Now we have to rely on McCain, Flake, Paul and Rubio to do the right thing
Heh
Heh
Trump team wants to get rid of NATO's no. 2 official, appointed by Obama in 2014, ... because ... hold onto your seats ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ump-team-working-to-remove-top-nato-official/
Got the Shakes
Member
Even the most gifted of storytellers could make shit like this up. Unreal.
There is absolutely no chance, under any president, of it going. It would require constitutional change. At best you have to get enough states to sign up to the popular vote compact, but even that doesn't really help because it's mostly democrat states so all it would do is make it harder for democrats to win by giving republicans votes from california (but not democratic votes from texas).
Aaron Strife
Banned
If Clinton had won the EC and Trump the popular vote, the EC would have been gone by last Tuesday.
metalslimer
Member
Samantha Bee had a great piece last night on the whining about identity politics coming from certain people *cough* on the left.
https://youtu.be/CH7GCMm1ngA
https://youtu.be/CH7GCMm1ngA
Frank the Great
Banned
I don't think that's how the pact would work. IIRC California et al. (totaling 270) would just automatically assign all their electors to the winner of the national popular vote. It would definitely help Democrats.
The states that sign onto the pact don't matter. All that matters is that they total 270.
So, that Newsweek/Eichenwald piece...
This is just related to Turkey, btw... There's a lot more to the article it seems, but let's focus on this:
And this seems to be exactly the kind of conflict of interest problems that all of Trump's businesses could provide.
This is just related to Turkey, btw... There's a lot more to the article it seems, but let's focus on this:
And this seems to be exactly the kind of conflict of interest problems that all of Trump's businesses could provide.
balladofwindfishes
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What are the reactions to the CEO of a major company being SoS from the "drain the swamp" crowd?
I haven't heard a single thing from the "drain the swamp" crowd in weeks. I'm tempted to say that they're just hypocritical as fuck, and are of the belief that if a Dem/librul did any of this, they'd scream bloody blue murder, but since it's a Republican, it's all fine.
Meanwhile... via Vox: Why Obamacare enrollees voted for Trump
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