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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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FloydtheFathead
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Probably
Morally and strategically that would make the most sense.
Well that's a lot better than what I thought it was originally.http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...e_magazine_profile_of_marla_maples_while.html
Donald Trump Was Reading a People Magazine Profile of His Ex-Wife While Eating Infamous Taco Bowl
Aaron Strife
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The making of a metaphor is a lot like a good marriage.
User 463088
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While I agree, after seeing what my bf went through because of bigoted assholes, I'd be running through the streets with EDNA.
So, I want to get ya'lls opinion on this:
We have two Mexican restaurants in town. One is owned by a great family that immigrated from Mexico in the 1990s. The other one is a "fancy" place (owned by a white family and staffed by 100% white people.) So, I wanted to go to the first, while Kyle was being alpha "I can provide, I'm taking you to the expensive one so shut up" male and wanted the second.
So, we go to the nice one....and the entire wait staff is wearing tiny little sombraros and fake Mustaches in honor of Cinco de Mayo. I thought it was INCREDIBLY racist, or at the very least racially insensitive.....am I alone in this? I complained to the manager when we left.....maybe I was out of line, but I feel that's really racially insensitive. Not a single person there was Latino/a.
Or is this okay in Trump's America now?
balladofwindfishes
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You know an anti-Hillary story is junk when it hasn't even been posted to reddit
Which this particular one hasn't been
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, it's definitely racially insensitive, even if it doesn't seem like there's much malice behind it.
The fact that they don't employ any Latino/as seems like the bigger problem, to be honest.
User 463088
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I don't think it's on purpose...but I've never, ever seen a PoC working there. They're all white college age kids. I live in a racially diverse area that it shouldn't look that way. I hate, hate eating there and almost never do...but I didn't feel like getting into it with my Bernie Bro.
Glad I didn't overreact. Just was weird.
bodyofanamerican
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Well, let that be a lesson to me then. Should know better than to take Politico headlines at face value.
Prodigal Son
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That's pretty weird. I notice 'liberal' is a bit of a dirty word in the US for some reason. Both Clinton and Sanders seem to distance themselves from it. I wonder what the results for exit polls would be if they substituted 'liberal' with 'progressive.'
I don't think it'll be any different. That's likely part of the "not Clinton" block that's supporting Bernie. You saw the same thing last time with the "not Obama" vote.
Aaron Strife
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I also find in general the way people describe themselves doesn't always line up with what their actual positions are.
Prodigal Son
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"Not Clinton" didn't really help O'malley Webb or Chafee, did it? You're not giving Sander's appeal enough credit.
I doubt very many Sanders voters think they're opting for the less progressive candidate.
Macho Madness
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I've seen the word liberal take a beating in the past from the right and now it's taking one from the left. Now there's neoliberal and blah blah blah
Basically people just use words to mean things they don't like without knowing much about what they mean
Basically people just use words to mean things they don't like without knowing much about what they mean
Perfect for Trump.
User 463088
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Actually the Democratic electorate had been far more liberal in 2016 than in 2008. Nearly 65-70% of voters in most states have claimed to be a liberal.
It didn't line up behind O'Malley because he was never even a contender. Is it so hard to admit that not everyone is voting for Bernie because of Bernie? Even on GAF you see Bernie supporters who seem to hate Clinton more than they like Bernie.
Prodigal Son
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I'm sure that's the case, yet many still demonize the word liberal specifically. Both Clinton and Sanders when asked on multiple separate occasions, said they prefer the word progressive.
Or Chafee or Web? Clinton and Sanders were always the only two competitors. People didn't just get behind Sanders because he wasn't Hillary. If "not Hillary" dem voters were such a large crowd, we'd have seen a more dispersed distribution of support for the other dem candidates.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Reagan stigmatized the word in the '80s.
Macho Madness
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It's gotten to be less of a "bad word" since Obama got elected.
Also, I'm not really sure the left cares about it.
I never said it was a large number of voters! Also, even if it was it wouldn't have dispersed because all those guys were polling at -12%. They went to the challenger most likely to dethrone her, just like how it happened in 2008.
Yeah, the number of Americans who willingly identify as liberal has reached new highs almost every year since 08.
Prodigal Son
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That's good to hear. Maybe Sanders and Clinton still perceive the word poorly because of how it was viewed before. I wish one of them wouldn't shy away from the word.
EDIT: It's also occurred to me that a lot has happened since 2008 that doesn't necessarily relate specifically to President Obama that has also played a role in the increase in liberal voters.
Social media has boomed quite a bit since 2008. More people are using that than ever.
If they weren't a large number of voters why would it have had such an impact on Sanders voters who oppose liberal policy as per the exit polls we were just discussing?
hammysaurusrex
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I think it's unquestionable this cycle that "progressive" and "anti-establishment" have somehow become conflated.
I would say it's pretty racially insensitive considering those costumes invoke pretty stereotypical images of Mexicans on a Holiday that has very little to do with that.
It would be like wearing fake afros or donning blackface on MLK day. Or, somewhat less egregiously, people who wear Rastafarian colors and celebrate Bob Marley on 4/20, as if marijuana was all that man was about.
Cinco de Mayo is supposed to be about Mexican pride. You operate a Mexican restaurant. Do a damn special and call it a day.
Good for them!
It was racist as fuck. Like black history month frat party black face racist. If I had seen that I probably would have yelled at them and stormed out, I don't think I would have been able to maintain composure.
If you took pictures this could easily go viral in today's climate.
Macho Madness
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eBay Huckster
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i guess they aren't very large at the national level, they just had somewhat more outsized of an impact at individual state levels (particularly in OK)
I thought that was May 7?
eBay Huckster
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Aaron Strife
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As if to reaffirm people everywhere, don't worry that he's got the nomination wrapped up, he's still an idiot.
StopMakingSense
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Unspoken subtext: vote in the Democratic primary instead
Prodigal Son
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Yeah. You're probably right.
StopMakingSense
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It's only semi-closed primaries, though.
If you save your vote up it counts double in the GE. Liberals would know this if they were smart!
Macho Madness
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Charlie Dent disagrees with Trump's Muslim proposal.
Macho Madness
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Charlie Dent falling all over himself to not support Trump while supporting Trump. Hayes is having fun with him.
If you save up enough votes it becomes a special move. That's why Trump voters are so powerful.
StopMakingSense
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Man, if Trump is still real low into October, shit is going to get U G L Y.
It's just sad at this point.
Are we sure about this? He's basically been drowned out the last few days. Maybe he has been screaming about Shillary all day and someone just happened to point a microphone/camera in his direction just then.
Probably already posted, but new Super Deluxe:
https://youtu.be/VsZ5VAoHq3E
/airhorn
Wowfunhappy
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PoliGAF, I have a question, I think.
I'm only 21 and doesn't really remember any presidencies before Obama. And as much as I like Obama, I've been somewhat disappointed with his ability to get things through Congress. Healthcare was a big win, but since then it seems as though Republicans have blocked him at every turn. Guns are as easy to buy as ever, we're threatened with government shutdowns seemingly every year, and, most importantly to me by far, we've seen absolutely no meaningful climate change legislation passed (the new EPA rules aren't going to do much long-term). Obviously, none of this is Obama's fault, but from what I understand of the time period, Bill Clinton was able to get a lot more accomplished.
I have been rooting for Hillary throughout this primary, because she strikes me as as a really skilled/experienced politician. She actually kind of reminds me of Frank Underwood, in a positive I'm-going-to-get-stuff-done-whatever-it-takes kind of way. I'm not actually 100% sure where I got this idea from, but Hillary certainly has the experience.
I am convinced that HIllary will win the precedency this November. What's beginning to worry me though are her favorability ratings. If she's this unpopular now, and we haven't even gotten into the real election yet, will she have the public support necessary to be a productive president?
Asked another wayand I guess this is my real questiondo favorability ratings generally have an impact on a president's power, and if so, are they likely to hamper HIllary?
I'm only 21 and doesn't really remember any presidencies before Obama. And as much as I like Obama, I've been somewhat disappointed with his ability to get things through Congress. Healthcare was a big win, but since then it seems as though Republicans have blocked him at every turn. Guns are as easy to buy as ever, we're threatened with government shutdowns seemingly every year, and, most importantly to me by far, we've seen absolutely no meaningful climate change legislation passed (the new EPA rules aren't going to do much long-term). Obviously, none of this is Obama's fault, but from what I understand of the time period, Bill Clinton was able to get a lot more accomplished.
I have been rooting for Hillary throughout this primary, because she strikes me as as a really skilled/experienced politician. She actually kind of reminds me of Frank Underwood, in a positive I'm-going-to-get-stuff-done-whatever-it-takes kind of way. I'm not actually 100% sure where I got this idea from, but Hillary certainly has the experience.
I am convinced that HIllary will win the precedency this November. What's beginning to worry me though are her favorability ratings. If she's this unpopular now, and we haven't even gotten into the real election yet, will she have the public support necessary to be a productive president?
Asked another wayand I guess this is my real questiondo favorability ratings generally have an impact on a president's power, and if so, are they likely to hamper HIllary?
Trump on the ballot means the Senate will flip and much of the House could change. With that kind of possibility, she could have a really effective first 2 years. Remember, the first two years of Obama's presidency when all 3 were liberal controlled was a super successful congressional period.
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