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PoliGAF 2016 |OT7| Notorious R.B.G. Plans NZ Tour
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nature boy
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So he wanted Newt?
I'm sure he was at least aware of the optics but it wasn't like he was holding the event last night. He knew Pence had a deadline. With these reports coming out it's very likely they used that as cover for his hesitation.
What do you mean?
TestOfTide
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Yep.
Even Pence is looking unsure about this decision.
Why? Most millennials would be happy to vote for a ticket with Warren on it.
If Warren gets on the ticket, it's Scott Brown that will have to be put on Suicide watch.
Yep.
That woman in the glasses behind him is all like "Dear Jesus in Heaven, is this happening?"
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The Nice mass murderer was a domestic abuser too.
People who hit and choke (without consent and in a non-BDSM setting) their partners are worthless losers and sub-human.
People who hit and choke (without consent and in a non-BDSM setting) their partners are worthless losers and sub-human.
neurosisxeno
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I always have to explain that. It's insane how much people bitch about tax rates without even understanding the basics.
A lot of younger people wanted a Sanders/Warren ticket. I think they would go from "Bernie lost? Jill Stein it is!" to "but I do like Elizabeth Warren, wtf Democrats". It would probably be more accurate to say that if she selected Sanders as a VP. I know Warren made some comments that lead to her falling out of favor with some younger people, but I imagine she still has some name recognition. It would be one of those internal struggle moments for a lot of younger voters who don't like Hillary but really do like Warren.
Spoiled Milk
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Can someone PLEASE explain this bullshit to me?! Why would Trump need to "get out of" picking Pence? It's his campaign! I KNEW he wanted Gingrich, the chemistry and qualifications are so obvious to me and everyone else.
If this happens I will literally post the trollface meme unironically in this thread. I don't care if I get banned for that.
Wow we actually live super close then
minor effort
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I guess because someone from Trump or Pence's camp started leaking that Pence was a done deal yesterday, and the theory would be that Trump was dragged into picking Pence to avoid revealing serious campaign discord. If so, it was unsuccessful.
nature boy
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From the reporting, Trump was furious of the leaks and asked what it would take to ditch Pence.
From what I understand, it doesn't mean he *would*, but he explored the possibility.
Either way, Pence is locked now.
Hellsing321
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Yep.
I wonder if the deadline for the governor race also messed it up. Pence, by thinking he was the nominee, effectively forced Trump to choose him.
His whole team is. They're in over their heads. And we aren't even in high-gear yet.
Veep is the best.
I have no doubts now that politics is like veep way more than HoC.
TheLostBigBoss
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I guess the world decided 2016 wasn't an interesting enough year, and decided that a military coup in Turkey was needed to spice things up
Black Mamba
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If you ignore all policies and such, it's pretty obvious Trump has no business being anywhere near the Presidency. Dude is such an amateur.
Pence is basically a generic Republican. Won't help sway anyone who wouldn't normally vote Republican and conservatives were mostly already holding their nose for Trump.
This doesn't move the needle either way. I think he was the least bad of the 3 choices Trump had. Newt had disaster potential, especially.
As for Hillary, I don't want Kaine cuz I feel like it would be great if they could really fire up people to vote. I'm not saying it has to be Warren, as I originally wanted her to stay in the Senate, but somebody besides Kaine would be nice.
Kane vs Pence would basically mean nothing. Someone like Warren could eat Pence for dinner at a debate.
Pence is basically a generic Republican. Won't help sway anyone who wouldn't normally vote Republican and conservatives were mostly already holding their nose for Trump.
This doesn't move the needle either way. I think he was the least bad of the 3 choices Trump had. Newt had disaster potential, especially.
As for Hillary, I don't want Kaine cuz I feel like it would be great if they could really fire up people to vote. I'm not saying it has to be Warren, as I originally wanted her to stay in the Senate, but somebody besides Kaine would be nice.
Kane vs Pence would basically mean nothing. Someone like Warren could eat Pence for dinner at a debate.
DontBeThatGuy
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Yeah, so today, I saw someone pull out of their driveway with a MASSIVE Trump flag flying in the back. I almost lost control of my vehicle.
I ahven't been paying attention, Trump had to forced to take Pence?
Shit is hilarious., sad too
Them being able to coast through the Primaries did them no favors.
Shit is hilarious., sad too
Them being able to coast through the Primaries did them no favors.
TestOfTide
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No, it's going to be an easy choice for most millennials, especially non-white millenials. They care about social issues more than older generations.
It's especially going to be easy because Trump picked for VP the guy who everyone hated in spring 2015.
Obviously none of Trump's options were good, but honestly I think Christie would have been a better choice for him than Pence. Both had issues, but Pence's whole RFRA debacle was just last year. Christie is clearly more moderate than Pence.
Agreed on Kaine and Warren, especially now that Pence is the VP pick for Trump. The moment the VP debate goes into social issues Warren is going to destroy Pence.
Newts new Sharia Gestapo proposal is so Trumpian it hurts. A "what could have been" mating call from a spurned lover, just to make it sting.
It's clear Trump and Newtwould have made beautiful babies were made for each other, so the question is, did Manafort and his kids change the login credentials to his balls right after the got his Twitter?
It's clear Trump and Newt
Knuckle Sandwich
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I think he picked Pence and then maybe wanted to go with a military guy after the attacks in Nice but felt trapped? Just conjecture as I haven't been paying attention either.
whyamihere
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Oh man, I'm so excited for the debates.
If I was good at photoshop I would shop Newts tweet and Trumps head onto that Wolverine picture meme.
Is this the PPP poll in MO?
TheLostBigBoss
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Turkey is great, just fabulous, I love Turkey, it really brings the family together for Thanksgiving, just fantastic
Spoiled Milk
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It's not just because I'm a Democrat that really likes watching dumpster fires: if I were a conservative for whom race issues were minimally important, I would really want Trump to pick Gingrich.
The reasons are so obvious that they don't need to be stated but I'll delineate them anyway.
- Gingrich is a conservative intellectual. In a field of idiots who can hardly tie their own shoes, Newt often speaks eloquently and presents the conservative agenda with grace and aplomb. He's a great speaker and there was a reason he was the voice of conservative renaissance in the 90s. And by the way, Pence counts as one of those idiots.
- Gingrich is a beloved icon in conservative circles. Before there was a tea party demanding conservatives to shake things up and butt heads with the establishment, Newt pioneered the partisan politics we hold dear today. By getting his way so often by starting a fight with the Clinton administration, Newt discovered early on in his career that conflict, not compromise, was the way to get things done in politics, and the House was changed for the worse.
- Newt has incredible synergy with Trump. It doesn't matter that The Donald doesn't need an attack dog; Newt is a pit bull through and through and the two work very well together. They're also on the same page about most of Trump's policies. Meanwhile, Pence has publicly disagreed with Muslim ban. Newt doubled down on it this morning!
- Newt is fundamentally a SOMEBODY. Trump's campaign is such a disaster that he needs someone to make it credible and the fact is that a fucking nobody like Mike Who Pence is going to do diddly squat for the campaign.
- Newt has way more capacity to unify conservatives than Pence does. It's just a fact.
Trump should dump Pence as soon as possible. For the lawls, but also because it's the strategically correct thing to do.
The reasons are so obvious that they don't need to be stated but I'll delineate them anyway.
- Gingrich is a conservative intellectual. In a field of idiots who can hardly tie their own shoes, Newt often speaks eloquently and presents the conservative agenda with grace and aplomb. He's a great speaker and there was a reason he was the voice of conservative renaissance in the 90s. And by the way, Pence counts as one of those idiots.
- Gingrich is a beloved icon in conservative circles. Before there was a tea party demanding conservatives to shake things up and butt heads with the establishment, Newt pioneered the partisan politics we hold dear today. By getting his way so often by starting a fight with the Clinton administration, Newt discovered early on in his career that conflict, not compromise, was the way to get things done in politics, and the House was changed for the worse.
- Newt has incredible synergy with Trump. It doesn't matter that The Donald doesn't need an attack dog; Newt is a pit bull through and through and the two work very well together. They're also on the same page about most of Trump's policies. Meanwhile, Pence has publicly disagreed with Muslim ban. Newt doubled down on it this morning!
- Newt is fundamentally a SOMEBODY. Trump's campaign is such a disaster that he needs someone to make it credible and the fact is that a fucking nobody like Mike Who Pence is going to do diddly squat for the campaign.
- Newt has way more capacity to unify conservatives than Pence does. It's just a fact.
Trump should dump Pence as soon as possible. For the lawls, but also because it's the strategically correct thing to do.
Joe Shlabotnik
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If the gubernatorial deadline hadn't just passed I would absolutely be predicting a "voluntary" bow-out from Pence.
Qualifications are for job applicants, not drive by Photoshopping or running for president. Shoot for the stars!
Aaron Strife
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Really goes to show how pitiful the Republican Party is and how unwilling they are to stand up to their fringe (which might as well just be their base).
Conventional wisdom shouldn't be "Wow, Trump is great, he beat all the Republicans!" it should be "Holy shit, they lost to Donald Trump"
Obviously if the fundamentals of the election favor him he could win, but a nonexistent campaign will cost him votes on election day.
Honestly not sure.
Word is that Newt's attempt to go Trump to the nth degree last night did him in. You can be too Trumpish, it turns out.
BotoxAgent
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haha, this is amazing if this becomes the central takeaway for his VP pick this weekend
hahahahahahaha
Black Mamba
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I think a big reason why Trump settled on Pence was because Newt and Christie has the potential to steal headlines, Pence does not.
Obviously, Pence gets headlines from being picked, but after that no one will care about him post RNC speech until the VP debate.
On the other hand, Newt and Christie are loud and say tons of shit and would grab headlines from Trump and make Trump answer questions about them rather than him. He doesn't want that.
edit: Ras has Trump +7 at 44-37. LOL.
Obviously, Pence gets headlines from being picked, but after that no one will care about him post RNC speech until the VP debate.
On the other hand, Newt and Christie are loud and say tons of shit and would grab headlines from Trump and make Trump answer questions about them rather than him. He doesn't want that.
edit: Ras has Trump +7 at 44-37. LOL.
Makes sense, as much as Trump can be made to make sense
Plinko
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Good summation of the issue. I agree with everything except Pence being "an idiot." He just seems like a backup plan. Somebody Trump chose to mend fences with establishment. I don't think that's what he needed.
This was more of a not so subtle fishing trip to get someone to do the legwork for me.
Haha that's even better!
User 463088
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Omg that logo. Omg fucking up your Veep pick so bad. This is beautiful. My god...
Oh I know. That's why I quoted you. and the results are delicious.
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