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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.

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IggyChooChoo

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Cesare Borgia said:
The convention was good. I've never been the type to spend a lot of time inside the convention so I wasn't there much on the first day thankfully. The obstruction and dumb shit I did see from Sanders delegates in the little time I was there was more than enough. The second day was a lot better. I hung out with the Guam delegates who traveled through like 6 timezones to get to Philly. Met with some old friends and got on television a couple times while I chilled with the Illinois delegation.

I spent more time inside during the third day. Got to see the VP and his wife. Briefly saw the president and gave him a hug. Didn't get to talk with Kaine. I did get to meet and speak with some Hillary campaign folks, mainly those who had worked on the Obama campaign. Obviously polls look meh but nothing has really changed on the ground where it matters. Hillary still has a commanding lead in terms of GOTV, grassroots infrastructure, and just about every other measurable campaign metric.

Speech wise I thought the third day was really great. Biden gave a commanding performance and showed how you're supposed to use a microphone. I thought Kaine was very down to earth and likely scored well with audiences. He's just a man of great decency and kindness.

Obama's speech felt like a full circle moment to me, a feeling I've had a handful of times over the last year and a half. I couldn't help but be taken back to 2007. I knew of him at the time, and had briefly spoken to him before since I'm a Chicago machine guy, but going into that campaign I honestly didn't expect much. I thought he was too nice to do what was necessary to defeat the Clintons. I didn't know anything about his experience heading a campaign. I did know he was surrounded by a lot of aides who didn't have much experience. But I signed on anyway. And I watched how he went town to town, how voters slowly or quickly responded to his message, and the way he won people over as a man before winning them over as a politician.

The entire speech demonstrated his qualities, the same qualities that won Iowa and sparked an actual political revolution. I've never met someone in politics at that level (senator/governor/president/etc) who is as genuine and focused. The contrast between how he carries himself and how Trump acts is glaring, and I'd hope Americans will begin to think about that as we get closer to Labor Day. I could go on but ultimately Obama came into office, did a whole lot of what he said he was going to do, and is going to leave office without being changed.

The last day saw a return of Sanders support nonsense, especially outside the convention. Inside a lot of officials were on edge, wondering what was going to happen. They didn't go completely overboard but once again their behavior was pathetic. Thankfully I won't be spending anymore time thinking about them. Hillary handled it pretty well.

To briefly go back to the third day, one of the coolest things I saw was simply Obama and Hillary interacting. There's an interesting warmness there. They aren't the best of friends and both sides have allies who aren't big fans of the other (including myself)...but I think they've bonded from a mutual experience of facing unrelenting hatred and opposition. It's rare to meet someone who has gone through something like that. In Hillary's case she's gone through it for decades. So I think they both understand how important it is to lift each other up. I could tell Hillary wasn't happy about some of the protests that happened, but Bill and Obama were constantly there sharing stories or memories or discussing family.
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Thanks for the inside view, Cesare.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
North Carolina and Georgia (and Arizona) are states we need to flip long term. PA is slowly but surely trending Red. It might be 20 years, but it's a state we need to be very aware of moving away from Democrats. I'd love to get a couple of states with a high black and growing hispanic population with high % of college whites in the deep south to start moving the way VA did.
 
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Aaron Strife

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StoOgE said:
North Carolina and Georgia (and Arizona) are states we need to flip long term. PA is slowly but surely trending Red. It might be 20 years, but it's a state we need to be very aware of moving away from Democrats. I'd love to get a couple of states with a high black and growing hispanic population with high % of college whites in the deep south to start moving the way VA did.
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Yep. Any creeping GOP advantage in the Midwest needs to be blunted as soon as possible by a resurgence in the South/Southwest.
 
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Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
StoOgE said:
North Carolina and Georgia (and Arizona) are states we need to flip long term. PA is slowly but surely trending Red. It might be 20 years, but it's a state we need to be very aware of moving away from Democrats. I'd love to get a couple of states with a high black and growing hispanic population with high % of college whites in the deep south to start moving the way VA did.
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I'm certainly not basing this on much other than my own feelings, but NC going reliably blue (or at least more blue than red) feels like an inevitability. Just a matter of when, not if.
 
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darkstar0155

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Cesare Borgia said:
The convention was good. I've never been the type to spend a lot of time inside the convention so I wasn't there much on the first day thankfully. The obstruction and dumb shit I did see from Sanders delegates in the little time I was there was more than enough. The second day was a lot better. I hung out with the Guam delegates who traveled through like 6 timezones to get to Philly. Met with some old friends and got on television a couple times while I chilled with the Illinois delegation.

I spent more time inside during the third day. Got to see the VP and his wife. Briefly saw the president and gave him a hug. Didn't get to talk with Kaine. I did get to meet and speak with some Hillary campaign folks, mainly those who had worked on the Obama campaign. Obviously polls look meh but nothing has really changed on the ground where it matters. Hillary still has a commanding lead in terms of GOTV, grassroots infrastructure, and just about every other measurable campaign metric.

Speech wise I thought the third day was really great. Biden gave a commanding performance and showed how you're supposed to use a microphone. I thought Kaine was very down to earth and likely scored well with audiences. He's just a man of great decency and kindness.

Obama's speech felt like a full circle moment to me, a feeling I've had a handful of times over the last year and a half. I couldn't help but be taken back to 2007. I knew of him at the time, and had briefly spoken to him before since I'm a Chicago machine guy, but going into that campaign I honestly didn't expect much. I thought he was too nice to do what was necessary to defeat the Clintons. I didn't know anything about his experience heading a campaign. I did know he was surrounded by a lot of aides who didn't have much experience. But I signed on anyway. And I watched how he went town to town, how voters slowly or quickly responded to his message, and the way he won people over as a man before winning them over as a politician.

The entire speech demonstrated his qualities, the same qualities that won Iowa and sparked an actual political revolution. I've never met someone in politics at that level (senator/governor/president/etc) who is as genuine and focused. The contrast between how he carries himself and how Trump acts is glaring, and I'd hope Americans will begin to think about that as we get closer to Labor Day. I could go on but ultimately Obama came into office, did a whole lot of what he said he was going to do, and is going to leave office without being changed.

The last day saw a return of Sanders support nonsense, especially outside the convention. Inside a lot of officials were on edge, wondering what was going to happen. They didn't go completely overboard but once again their behavior was pathetic. Thankfully I won't be spending anymore time thinking about them. Hillary handled it pretty well.

To briefly go back to the third day, one of the coolest things I saw was simply Obama and Hillary interacting. There's an interesting warmness there. They aren't the best of friends and both sides have allies who aren't big fans of the other (including myself)...but I think they've bonded from a mutual experience of facing unrelenting hatred and opposition. It's rare to meet someone who has gone through something like that. In Hillary's case she's gone through it for decades. So I think they both understand how important it is to lift each other up. I could tell Hillary wasn't happy about some of the protests that happened, but Bill and Obama were constantly there sharing stories or memories or discussing family.
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Awesome recap, thanks. My personal view watching Bill's reactions to Obama's speech, and the interaction between Hillary and Obama, than on some level both Hillary and Bill know that Obama was meant for that moment, and that he was the right person for the job in 08. Watching Bill's face and expressions during Michelle and Obama's speeches I get the vibe that they are content about not making it all the way in 08. Very easily could be wrong, but its the impression I get.
 
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Brinbe

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Thanks for the insight, CB. That was a great read. I suppose it isn't surprising that HRC would be unhappy about the protesters. I mean we're livid and we're not even there haha.

But I think that they pulled off that convention despite resorting to extreme measures about their bullshit is ultimately testament to the party's strength and diversity. Anyway, hope you enjoyed. That must've been really cool to see, if only for the behind-the-scenes interactions.
 
Metaphoreus

Metaphoreus

This is semantics, and nothing more
teiresias said:
I wonder how many of these cases have to land back at the SCOTUS for them to realize that striking down the requirement for prior Federal approval has done nothing but increase the number of these obviously racially-targetted laws have to crowd up their docket every session? Yet another moronic decision by Kennedy because he completely misreads the state of the country and the consequences of the ruling - just like Citizens United.
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What's important is whether he's misreading the Constitution or the law, not whether he misreads the state of the country or the consequences. The problem with the preclearance requirement was not that it was completely unnecessary everywhere, but that it wasn't targeted to where it was necessary today.

(And Citizens United was correctly decided, of course, and the terrible consequences predicted by liberals have failed to materialize.)
 
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BotoxAgent

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Cesare Borgia said:
The convention was good. I've never been the type to spend a lot of time inside the convention so I wasn't there much on the first day thankfully. The obstruction and dumb shit I did see from Sanders delegates in the little time I was there was more than enough. The second day was a lot better. I hung out with the Guam delegates who traveled through like 6 timezones to get to Philly. Met with some old friends and got on television a couple times while I chilled with the Illinois delegation.

I spent more time inside during the third day. Got to see the VP and his wife. Briefly saw the president and gave him a hug. Didn't get to talk with Kaine. I did get to meet and speak with some Hillary campaign folks, mainly those who had worked on the Obama campaign. Obviously polls look meh but nothing has really changed on the ground where it matters. Hillary still has a commanding lead in terms of GOTV, grassroots infrastructure, and just about every other measurable campaign metric.

Speech wise I thought the third day was really great. Biden gave a commanding performance and showed how you're supposed to use a microphone. I thought Kaine was very down to earth and likely scored well with audiences. He's just a man of great decency and kindness.

Obama's speech felt like a full circle moment to me, a feeling I've had a handful of times over the last year and a half. I couldn't help but be taken back to 2007. I knew of him at the time, and had briefly spoken to him before since I'm a Chicago machine guy, but going into that campaign I honestly didn't expect much. I thought he was too nice to do what was necessary to defeat the Clintons. I didn't know anything about his experience heading a campaign. I did know he was surrounded by a lot of aides who didn't have much experience. But I signed on anyway. And I watched how he went town to town, how voters slowly or quickly responded to his message, and the way he won people over as a man before winning them over as a politician.

The entire speech demonstrated his qualities, the same qualities that won Iowa and sparked an actual political revolution. I've never met someone in politics at that level (senator/governor/president/etc) who is as genuine and focused. The contrast between how he carries himself and how Trump acts is glaring, and I'd hope Americans will begin to think about that as we get closer to Labor Day. I could go on but ultimately Obama came into office, did a whole lot of what he said he was going to do, and is going to leave office without being changed.

The last day saw a return of Sanders support nonsense, especially outside the convention. Inside a lot of officials were on edge, wondering what was going to happen. They didn't go completely overboard but once again their behavior was pathetic. Thankfully I won't be spending anymore time thinking about them. Hillary handled it pretty well.

To briefly go back to the third day, one of the coolest things I saw was simply Obama and Hillary interacting. There's an interesting warmness there. They aren't the best of friends and both sides have allies who aren't big fans of the other (including myself)...but I think they've bonded from a mutual experience of facing unrelenting hatred and opposition. It's rare to meet someone who has gone through something like that. In Hillary's case she's gone through it for decades. So I think they both understand how important it is to lift each other up. I could tell Hillary wasn't happy about some of the protests that happened, but Bill and Obama were constantly there sharing stories or memories or discussing family.
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fuck, im jealous
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Anoregon said:
I'm certainly not basing this on much other than my own feelings, but NC going reliably blue (or at least more blue than red) feels like an inevitability. Just a matter of when, not if.
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I completely agree, and Georgia is about 8 years behind it, Arizona is likewise a when not if, but it's demographics are a bit off because the African American population isn't really there the way it is in GA/NC. The job is to flip them Blue before Penn flips.

This is the electoral map of the future of Democrats: Obviously, not saying we are going to completely lose the midwest, but if WI/MI ever start drifting away it's a path to victory without the midwest at all.

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Black Republican

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StoOgE said:
I completely agree, and Georgia is about 8 years behind it, Arizona is likewise a when not if, but it's demographics are a bit off because the African American population isn't really there the way it is in GA/NC. The job is to flip them Blue before Penn flips.

This is the electoral map of the future of Democrats: Obviously, not saying we are going to completely lose the midwest, but if WI/MI ever start drifting away it's a path to victory without the midwest at all.

YDVo2.png
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will middle america ever go blue again?
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Black Republican said:
will middle america ever go blue again?
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You mean Rural America in the plain states? IA is a pretty reliably lean Blue state and seems to be trending further that direction. Omaha's 2nd district seems to be doing the same. The rest? Nah

Seems pretty unlikely. Back when it was going Blue was back when Dems were the pro-white racist party before LBJ pushed the Civil Rights Act through.

Texas/LA/Arkansas/Tenn/GA/NC are the most likely to one day flip blue in some sort of order with NC/Texas being the most likely, and the rest needing massive demographic changes over a period of time.

Texas is getting there. Most major cities in the state are now progressive bastions. The old "Austin and a sea of Blue" jokes no longer apply. San Antonio, Dallas, Houston, El Paso are all turning into liberal hot beds. The burbs of those cities (and Austin's burbs to the North) are a different story.. we'll get there one day in my lifetime, probably just later than the Democrats want us.
 
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Frank the Great

Banned
Metaphoreus said:
What's important is whether he's misreading the Constitution or the law, not whether he misreads the state of the country or the consequences. The problem with the preclearance requirement was not that it was completely unnecessary everywhere, but that it wasn't targeted to where it was necessary today.
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Yeah, fixing the VRA decision should be relatively easy, we just need Congress to hold some hearings and re-up the coverage formula (or come up with a new one). We don't need SCOTUS to do anything, nor can it at this point.

In other words, Section 5 will be restored when Democrats take Congress.

Not taking the bait on your Citizen's United comment.
 
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nature boy

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TV ratings: 28 million watch final night of DNC

An average of approximately 28 million viewers watched Hillary Clinton's acceptance speech on the final night of the Democratic National Convention Thursday evening, according to preliminary ratings data from Nielsen.

For comparison, 30 million watched the final night of the RNC last week in the preliminary ratings, and 35.7 million watched the final night of the DNC back in 2012.

From 10-11 p.m., when the broadcast networks and cable news channels were covering the DNC, CNN averaged 7.5 million viewers, MSNBC averaged 5.3 million viewers, NBC 4.5 million viewers, ABC 3.8 million viewers, CBS 3.6 million viewers and Fox News 3.0 million viewers,

From 8-11 p.m., when cable news was wall to wall with coverage, CNN averaged 5.7 million viewers, MSNBC 4.2 million, and Fox News 3.1 million.

The numbers do not include people watching on some other channels, like PBS, C-SPAN or Univision, nor do they include those that may have streamed the event online. Final numbers will likely be a little bit higher, and will come in later this afternoon. We will update this post when we get them.
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Do you think Trump calling for Russia to hack Hillary's emails is appropriate/inappropriate?:

D: 10/80
R: 61/22
I: 32/48

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/...-trump-urging-russia-to-find-hillarys-emails/
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Those I numbers are mostly Republicans who refuse to be associated with the party by name anymore. Those R's are people identifying are Republicans, which means it's tons of Trumps base, so that's not shocking.

Still, good to see numbers of the country still mostly being sane.
 
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thcsquad

Member
StoOgE said:
I completely agree, and Georgia is about 8 years behind it, Arizona is likewise a when not if, but it's demographics are a bit off because the African American population isn't really there the way it is in GA/NC. The job is to flip them Blue before Penn flips.

This is the electoral map of the future of Democrats: Obviously, not saying we are going to completely lose the midwest, but if WI/MI ever start drifting away it's a path to victory without the midwest at all.

YDVo2.png
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I think that by the time we get to that map (we're talking 8/12 years from now, right?), TX will be in the undecided category.
 
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User1608

Banned
Damn, wish the ratings were higher.
StoOgE said:
He is losing his fucking mind on Twitter.

Someone needs to take his phone from him again.

It's a matter of a day or two before he holds a press conference and says some dumb shit just to get the attention back. He can't fucking stand not being the center of attention.
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Oh, he will enough.

I'm embarrassed that a manchild is a candidate even if some of the tweets are funny.
 
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DataStream

Member
StoOgE said:
He is losing his fucking mind on Twitter.

Someone needs to take his phone from him again.

It's a matter of a day or two before he holds a press conference and says some dumb shit just to get the attention back. He can't fucking stand not being the center of attention.
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I don't think anyone is taking that phone away now. He is going supernova.

Most of the GOP has gone completely silent after that hacking comment and I don't expect much cover coming his way any longer.

I expect we're going to see some endorsements rescinded and will not be shocked to see a significant member of the GOP endorse Clinton.
 
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Felix Lighter

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Trump is a morbid curiosity for a lot of people and entertainment for those that are completely apolitical. I'm not really surprised that the reality TV star was able to get more viewers for his acceptance speech with all things considered.
 
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