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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!

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lol she wants him to release his tax return, after she gave such a run around for months about her speeches.


What a circus. I start to like her and then she has these kinds of moments.

She released her taxes, so should everyone else. Let's drop the double standards at the very least and then we can move on to speeches. Sounds good?
 
lol she wants him to release his tax return, after she gave such a run around for months about her speeches.


What a circus. I start to like her and then she has these kinds of moments.

These two things are not related whatsoever.

Presidential candidates have always released their tax returns. There has never been a candidate for President who has been told s/he needs to release speeches delivered as a private citizen.

But, sure...if it gives you something to hate on, cool, I guess.
 
lol she wants him to release his tax return, after she gave such a run around for months about her speeches.


What a circus. I start to like her and then she has these kinds of moments.
You were never gonna like her if you care at all about her speech transcripts.

Never has there been a larger nothingburger.
 

Kid Heart

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lol she wants him to release his tax return, after she gave such a run around for months about her speeches.


What a circus. I start to like her and then she has these kinds of moments.

Why? Considering she has released hers, I'm not sure why Trump shouldn't release his. Especially since releasing tax returns, unlike speeches, has been a thing for quite some time.
 

ampere

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At the end of this promotion, Cards Against Humanity will tally up the sales of both packs, and depending on which pack gets more support, we will donate all the money in support of Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

lmao

Give me a broad band of student loan forgiveness -- like for everyone that graduated 2004-2012 -- and I'll give you an exploding economy. Single biggest issue for an entire generation and will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

Hillary if you fix this, you fix everything.

I don't think full loan forgiveness is necessarily a good idea, but much much more lenient payment schedules at the very least.
 

mo60

Member
We can't just bank on a Hillary victory but at this point the focus should all go to the congressional races. They may try to lock her down worse than Obama. No justice submissions, shutting down the government and just doing everything they can to tank her term.

We need majority movement big time.

This will depend on how badly trump loses. If trump loses in a landslide or loses really badly I expect the more moderate republicans to work with her on things that won't be that much of a problem for them.
 

Doc Holliday

SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Never understood why more democrats don't use "Medicare for all" instead of "single payer"

I mean who doesn't like Medicare that has it?
 
lol she wants him to release his tax return, after she gave such a run around for months about her speeches.


What a circus. I start to like her and then she has these kinds of moments.

Clinton said she'd release the transcripts after Bernie released his tax returns.

Which he never did.

Trump and Bernie were the ones not following tradition, not Clinton.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Never understood why more democrats don't use "Medicare for all" instead of "single payer"

I mean who doesn't like Medicare that has it?

100% agreed. Democrats are horrible at marketing and messaging.
 

Doc Holliday

SPOILER: Columbus finds America
My wife got on Medicare a few years back, compared to our insurance before, it's been fucking amazing.

I thought you only got Medicare if you're retired or above a certain age.

Is it a disability thing? If you don't mind me asking :)


Funny thing is single would kill tons of jobs!

Health insurance jobs that is lol
 

Prologue

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She released her taxes, so should everyone else. Let's drop the double standards at the very least and then we can move on to speeches. Sounds good?

Speeches thing is dumb but candidates have released their tax returns for like decades.

These two things are not related whatsoever.

Presidential candidates have always released their tax returns. There has never been a candidate for President who has been told s/he needs to release speeches delivered as a private citizen.

But, sure...if it gives you something to hate on, cool, I guess.

You were never gonna like her if you care at all about her speech transcripts.

Never has there been a larger nothingburger.

Why? Considering she has released hers, I'm not sure why Trump shouldn't release his. Especially since releasing tax returns, unlike speeches, has been a thing for quite some time.


You don't beat around the bush for months and demand for other people to release their speeches before you release yours( a cheap answer), and then demand something else from someone. Its not a double standard, its not sexism, its hypocritical. The speeches came up during every debate and her response kept getting worse and worse. And most of of the concern is a question of character. After every debate, her trustworthiness and character polls were always extremely low. So you can put your fingers in your ears and keep singing the same tune, but those particular concerns are out there. And now she's questioning Trump's character with his taxes.

I'll vote democratic, but just because I dislike something she's doing, doesn't mean I'm hating on her. I haven't participated in any poli discussion in months, so I have no agenda.


Clinton said she'd release the transcripts after Bernie released his tax returns.

Which he never did.

Trump and Bernie were the ones not following tradition, not Clinton.

link?
 
At the end of this promotion, Cards Against Humanity will tally up the sales of both packs, and depending on which pack gets more support, we will donate all the money in support of Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

RIGGED!
 

teiresias

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I mean, there's nuance there. If you've already paid yours off then you were not overburdened by tuition (via your parents, local funding, etc) or didn't have hampered success in your chosen field due to technological, economic, or socioeconomic forces. Meaning if you are suffering economically at this minute it's not because you're carrying student loans.

It's kinda like asking "me too?" if you have a job and are wondering why people get unemployment.

So? I took out student loan debt in the period you specified. Just because I happen to have already paid mine off means not only do I get no relief from that debt (money that was used to pay it back could have been used to further pad my retirement savings for example), on top of having my taxes put into a program to fund this relief.
 
Hillary has always been more Liberal than Obama on social programs . I'm glad that she is returning to her original position on health care.

Bernie supporters who labeled her as Republic-light were hyperboliozing
 

gcubed

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You don't beat around the bush for months and demand for other people to release their speeches before you release yours( a cheap answer), and then demand something else from someone. Its not a double standard, its not sexism, its hypocritical. The speeches came up during every debate and her response kept getting worse and worse. And most of of the concern is a question of character. After every debate, her trustworthiness and character polls were always extremely low. So you can put your fingers in your ears and keep singing the same tune, but those particular concerns are out there. And now she's questioning Trump's character with his taxes.

I'll vote democratic, but just because I dislike something she's doing, doesn't mean I'm hating on her. I haven't participated in any poli discussion in months, so I have no agenda.




link?

yeah no, its stupid, and arguing about it is stupid. Its not hypocritical, its fucking stupid.
 
It's been clear the economics aren't there for providers to dig cable in most areas - you have to subsidize it.

Timeline's clearly too aggressive, but it's something that needs to be supported at the federal level.

It shouldn't be too far off if you frame as a military thing. "Our internet blows and the Russians will steal our cyber stuff!"

Put that military budget to use like Ike did.
 
Ultimately, this is why I'm pretty confident that CCM will win NV:

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/au...ilies-who-fear-deportat/#.V6x6C7cPDXE.twitter

Senate candidate Catherine Cortez Masto met for lunch Wednesday with families who live in the shadow of deportation, drawing parallels between their stories and her own family's immigrant roots.

The Democratic former Nevada attorney general met at Lindo Michoacan Mexican restaurant in Las Vegas with immigration activists and families who would've been eligible for deportation relief under Deferred Action for Parents of Americans, a now-suspended program that President Barack Obama called for through an executive order.

"Your story is no different than mine. I just happen to be generations down from my grandfather, who came from Mexico," said Cortez Masto, who will be the first Latina in the U.S. Senate if she's elected.

Her grandfather crossed the Rio Grande to settle in the U.S. in the 1940s, a time when the emphasis was on assimilating and learning English, she said. She explained at the event, which alternated between two languages, that she doesn't speak Spanish fluently but can understand it.

Some of the children and teenagers who attended tearfully told about their fears that their families would be separated by deportation. She vowed to stand by them and work on immigration reform.

"I can't imagine a worse thing in the world as a child — the concern you have every day that your parents may be taken away from you," she said.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
You don't beat around the bush for months and demand for other people to release their speeches before you release yours( a cheap answer), and then demand something else from someone. Its not a double standard, its not sexism, its hypocritical. The speeches came up during every debate and her response kept getting worse and worse. And most of of the concern is a question of character. After every debate, her trustworthiness and character polls were always extremely low. So you can put your fingers in your ears and keep singing the same tune, but those particular concerns are out there. And now she's questioning Trump's character with his taxes.

I'll vote democratic, but just because I dislike something she's doing, doesn't mean I'm hating on her. I haven't participated in any poli discussion in months, so I have no agenda.




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The speeches thing was holding her to a standard that NO ONE has EVER been held to. EVER. Releasing taxes is bog standard, literally everyone does it. To conflate the two is dishonest and ignores all history.
 

kirblar

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Hillary has always been more Liberal than Obama on social programs . I'm glad that she is returning to her original position on health care.

Bernie supporters who labeled her as Republic-light were hyperboliozing
The left has an issue where the left-most part of the "reasonable economic thought" axis (aka everything ranging from Socialism up until you hit social democracy) has been sawed off like Florida. Economics moved right because of this (and then back left once the push towards far-right Lassez-Faire style has been debunked), but tons of people don't want to listen to experts/history/data, they just want to do what their emotions tell them (which is to pine for unachievable dystopian systems.) Mix this with the populist/protectionist backlash that also fueled Trump, and you get all the rage at an arcane trade agreement primarily designed to squeeze China.
 
Good that Hassan and McGinty appear to be staking out leads in NH/PA.

I still think Rubio goes down and NV is a hold for Dems, giving us 52 seats. There may be one or two other Dem pickups (feeling NC and AZ right now in that order).
 

banktree

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You don't beat around the bush for months and demand for other people to release their speeches before you release yours( a cheap answer), and then demand something else from someone. Its not a double standard, its not sexism, its hypocritical. The speeches came up during every debate and her response kept getting worse and worse. And most of of the concern is a question of character. After every debate, her trustworthiness and character polls were always extremely low. So you can put your fingers in your ears and keep singing the same tune, but those particular concerns are out there. And now she's questioning Trump's character with his taxes.

I'll vote democratic, but just because I dislike something she's doing, doesn't mean I'm hating on her. I haven't participated in any poli discussion in months, so I have no agenda.




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Of course it's a hypocritical double standard.

Let me explain it to you very simply.

Every Presidential Candidate releases their tax returns. There's an expectation that is going to happen. Everyone has done it since Nixon. It's a thing.

There is no expectation that a Presidential Candidate needs to release details on private events that they were invited to and paid for. There is no expectation that a Presidential candidate needs to do anything with "Transcripts" that there is no evidence of anything negative in. It's a nothing issue dreamed up by the same minds who thought Emails and Benghazi were winning issues that we had to be drumming on for years even though NOBODY CARES. There's certainly nothing illegal about giving a speech. If there was something negative, wouldn't anyone have said something by now?

Ok, even simpler. Tax returns DO NOT EQUAL transcripts. Is Donald Trump releasing transcripts of every speech he ever gave? Granted, nobody is asking for them because the man has about a fifth grade vocabulary, but still.

Everyone releases Tax Returns. Sidestepping the argument about Donald Trump not releasing his Tax Returns is a giant red flag to the world that you have nothing of substance against Clinton, you just want to muddy the waters.

Wait, this is Neogaf? So Sonic Demands Dr. Robotnik release records of all the animals he's kidnapped over the years to ensure that they are all free. Instead of doing that, most likely because he's still got some animals kept somewhere, Dr. Robotnik tries to change the issue and demands Sonic release how many rings he's collected, without acknowledging or following the original request.

NOW do you understand?
 
Good that Hassan and McGinty appear to be staking out leads in NH/PA.

I still think Rubio goes down and NV is a hold for Dems, giving us 52 seats. There may be one or two other Dem pickups (feeling NC and AZ right now in that order).

Hillary needs Obama 2008 margins in NC to win the Senate seat. If she gets that, Dems win the seat.

McRory (current NC governor) is going to lose badly because of HB2. That race was over as soon as the NBA pulled the All-Star Game from Charlotte.
 

Slayven

Member
I was watching an old epsiode of Murder She Wrote the other day, and it was set in 80s Russia. And the way way the communist party was respresented reminded me of the GOP. No one would speak out for fear of going against "The Party"
 
Helpful countdown clock to the election.

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There's a long way to go.
I have a sneaky feeling that the worst is yet to come from Donald Trump's mouth.

I dont particularly think he will drop the n word or call Hillary a bitch. He doesn't seem like the guy who is blatant like that. He will dig a deeper hole with his own words. Like right now, if you push him he will probably say Obama sympathizes with Islam which is why hes not aggressive towards ISIS.
 
Catherine Cortez Masto will win in NV and it won't be close.

I don't have any faith in Murphy or Florida democrats in general, but the hope is that Trump will sink Rubio. The thing I wonder about is whether Rubio can convince enough Hispanics to give him another chance.
 
Wait, this is Neogaf? So Sonic Demands Dr. Robotnik release records of all the animals he's kidnapped over the years to ensure that they are all free. Instead of doing that, most likely because he's still got some animals kept somewhere, Dr. Robotnik tries to change the issue and demands Sonic release how many rings he's collected, without acknowledging or following the original request.

NOW do you understand?

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