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[tmarg]

Would be interesting seeing the spin from republicans on how the shutdown is democrats fault.

Some have already tried to float some of it, but I haven't seen anyone buying it.

 

[whyamihere]

Some have already tried to float some of it, but I haven't seen anyone buying it.

They have the presidency and congress, who would buy this besides the faithful? That's almost as dumb as saying Obamacare imploding would be Democrats' fault.

 

[Veritigo_X]

This is going to be another Inauguration crowd size fiasco, isn't it?

President Trump had the most New England Patriots show up to the White House. Period.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

President Trump had the most New England Patriots show up to the White House. Period.

But not the one that everyone wants.

 

[Aaron Strife]

They have the presidency and congress, who would buy this besides the faithful? That's almost as dumb as saying Obamacare imploding would be Democrats' fault.

It'll work because Republicans always fall in line.

Something something Kennesaw

 

[broz0rs]

I don't know much about the man with the keys to the throne, Tucker Carlson, but after watching some of his clips I googled "Tucker Carlson confused face" and I knew there was going to be a shitload of results.

 

[Paches]

I don't know much about the man with the keys to the throne, Tucker Carlson, but after watching some of his clips I googled "Tucker Carlson confused face" and I knew there was going to be a shitload of results.

Most well known for being the Republican on Crossfire, the show Jon Stewart got cancelled after calling out their bullshit on live TV.

 

[Holmes]

How is Karen Handel taking this news of the AHCA revival?

"Donald Trump? Don't know her. AHCA? Don't know her."

 

[whyamihere]

~probably~ not Bernie's best move to say that he doesn't know if Ossoff is a progressive before he goes to stump for an anti-abortion candidate.

 

[Abinash117]

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/854784329423212544

The White House can figure out ways to revive it all they want. Congress isn't stupid enough to touch it when they have like 3 days to fund the government.

 

[Aaron Strife]

~probably~ not Bernie's best move to say that he doesn't know if Ossoff is a progressive before he goes to stump for an anti-abortion candidate.

Intersectionality*

*except issues liberals care about

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

~probably~ not Bernie's best move to say that he doesn't know if Ossoff is a progressive before he goes to stump for an anti-abortion candidate.

Quist or someone else? Because I thought Quist was pro-choice.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

Quist or someone else? Because I thought Quist was pro-choice.

Someone else..

Can't remember the name

 

[neurosisxeno]

Quist or someone else? Because I thought Quist was pro-choice.

From his campaign site;

Rob believes women should have the right and freedom to make their own healthcare decisions without government intrusion. He stands against the defunding of Planned Parenthood, which provides vital health care services to thousands of Montana women.

 

[whyamihere]

Heath Mello.

 

[Ac30]

He's aiming to be mayor of Omaha so it's not like he'll be influencing national policy. Looks to be facing an uphill battle though unless first-round results aren't representative.

 

[dramatis]

He's aiming to be mayor of Omaha so it's not like he'll be influencing national policy. Looks to be facing an uphill battle though unless first-round results aren't representative.

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that Sanders doesn't really give a shit if you're conservative about women's issues, you're a progressive in his book if you're economically progressive.

 

[whyamihere]

He's aiming to be mayor of Omaha so it's not like he'll be influencing national policy. Looks to be facing an uphill battle though unless first-round results aren't representative.

I mean, sure, yes, federal races have a lot more at stake with abortion policy, but when he was a state senator...

http://journalstar.com/news/local/g...cle_3e406d52-1489-5adf-b16c-c627a48ac03e.html

Fulton, who said he opposes abortion, also introduced a less restrictive bill (LB676) in Nebraska. It requires the physician performing the abortion to tell a woman an ultrasound is available, but it doesn’t require the ultrasound to be performed.

Sen. Heath Mello, a Democrat who said he opposes abortion, signed on as a co-sponsor, calling the measure a “positive first step to reducing the number of abortions in Nebraska.”

“It seemed like a good compromise, without bringing in the constitutional issues seen in other states,” he said.

I guess I'm not sure if Mello is progressive!

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

He's aiming to be mayor of Omaha so it's not like he'll be influencing national policy. Looks to be facing an uphill battle though unless first-round results aren't representative.

Mayors have a lot of power over local laws, though. If Nebraska is anything like other nearby states, Omaha might be the only place in the state where a woman could go to get an abortion if she wanted one. As mayor, he would have substantial influence over whether that could even happen.

 

[whyamihere]

I think people need to be more okay with the fact that Democrats are a multitude of things and that because of our party system, we really don't have a cohesive unit. A Democrat from GA-06 and a Democrat from MT-AL will have to be different, and that's okay. Just don't expect huge cohesion in a two-party system and work within the contradictions.

I'm merely pointing out the absurdity of this sort of one-size-fits-all definition of progressivism.

 

[kirblar]

~probably~ not Bernie's best move to say that he doesn't know if Ossoff is a progressive before he goes to stump for an anti-abortion candidate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRdqMpqkdEY

I wish I knew how to make a gif of this.

I think people need to be more okay with the fact that Democrats are a multitude of things and that because of our party system, we really don't have a cohesive unit. A Democrat from GA-06 and a Democrat from MT-AL will have to be different, and that's okay. Just don't expect huge cohesion in a two-party system and work within the contradictions.

Ya, I don't have a problem w/ local Ds running conservative locally in order to get elected. I have an issue w/ a national standard bearer endorsing it.

 

[Ac30]

Mayors have a lot of power over local laws, though. If Nebraska is anything like other nearby states, Omaha might be the only place in the state where a woman could go to get an abortion if she wanted one. As mayor, he would have substantial influence over whether that could even happen.

I wasn't aware they had that much control over this, sheesh.

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that Sanders doesn't really give a shit if you're conservative about women's issues, you're a progressive in his book if you're economically progressive.

Democrats gotta win somehow, I guess, but it feels like they're violating what they've always supposedly stood for. I don't like it either.

I mean, sure, yes, federal races have a lot more at stake with abortion policy, but when he was a state senator...

http://journalstar.com/news/local/g...cle_3e406d52-1489-5adf-b16c-c627a48ac03e.html



I guess I'm not sure if Mello is progressive!

Ugh.

 

[excelsiorlef]

~probably~ not Bernie's best move to say that he doesn't know if Ossoff is a progressive before he goes to stump for an anti-abortion candidate.

Jesus...

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Yeah, that's unfortunate and I'm disappointed in Bernie here. Hopefully the City Council is more progressive (and has more power) to keep the city safe for women who need abortions.

 

[Suikoguy]

I think people need to be more okay with the fact that Democrats are a multitude of things and that because of our party system, we really don't have a cohesive unit. A Democrat from GA-06 and a Democrat from MT-AL will have to be different, and that's okay. Just don't expect huge cohesion in a two-party system and work within the contradictions.

What's sad is "Babies' First Election" syndrome is not wearing off for a swath of Dem voters. They are not learning, and it's fucking frustrating.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I think people need to be more okay with the fact that Democrats are a multitude of things and that because of our party system, we really don't have a cohesive unit. A Democrat from GA-06 and a Democrat from MT-AL will have to be different, and that's okay. Just don't expect huge cohesion in a two-party system and work within the contradictions.

I'm merely pointing out the absurdity of this sort of one-size-fits-all definition of progressivism.

Problem is Sanders has on some level crafted himself as the one who gets to name who and who isn't progressive...

 

[The Technomancer]

I think people need to be more okay with the fact that Democrats are a multitude of things and that because of our party system, we really don't have a cohesive unit. A Democrat from GA-06 and a Democrat from MT-AL will have to be different, and that's okay. Just don't expect huge cohesion in a two-party system and work within the contradictions.

I'm merely pointing out the absurdity of this sort of one-size-fits-all definition of progressivism.

A lot of this I think is a really bad side effect of the nationalization of local politics. I hold the candidates we run in various states and the figures who form the party leadership, including presidential candidates, to vastly different standards. That's not me saying that we need to run "shut down PP" levels of anti-abortion candidates but...they can be quiet on the issue. They can make statements that are ambiguous

 

[whyamihere]

What's sad is "Babies' First Election" syndrome is not wearing off for a swath of Dem voters. They are not learning, and it's fucking frustrating.

I was talking more of a certain Bernard Sanders that seems to have one definition of progressivism when we should be more okay with socially-liberal-fiscally-conservative Dems in suburban districts and socially-conservative-economically-left Dems in rural districts.

This has always been, to me, one of Bernie's biggest weaknesses.

 

[jtb]

I'm already over it. Saves the Republicans from having to draft up an attack ad. The suburbs are probably the last stronghold where Bernie's unfettered populist message has yet to break through and indoctrinate the masses. Whatever.

 

[kirblar]

I'm already over it. Saves the Republicans from having to draft up an attack ad. The suburbs are probably the last stronghold where Bernie's unfettered populist message has yet to break through and indoctrinate the masses. Whatever.

Populism is and always has been a primarily rural thing.

 

[whyamihere]

Just wanted to say, once more, I consider myself a Democratic Socialist but also realize that for a multitude of reasons I would be a poor fit for a rural district despite generally agreeing with Bernie on economic policy. But that doesn't mean that the only standard bearer of "progressivism" is economic progressivism, and knocking Ossoff and THEN going to stump for Mello is bad.

 

[Suikoguy]

I was talking more of a certain Bernard Sanders that seems to have one definition of progressivism when we should be more okay with socially-liberal-fiscally-conservative Dems in suburban districts and socially-conservative-economically-left Dems in rural districts.

This has always been, to me, one of Bernie's biggest weaknesses.

True, but I see the same thing among many posters on this forum.

A litmus test for economic issues, but leniency for social issues.
'Don't think about supporting Trade, or increased regulation instead of splitting up banks.'
'On the other hand, perhaps we should slow down Black Issues, or Trans Rights.'

I wonder what degree was caused by Sanders and what degree was the other way around.

 

[The Technomancer]

I've bounced around a few labels in recent years, and ultimately don't think I've found one I like. Not in some "ugh people who adopt labels are so shallow" way, just I don't think there's any one movement in US politics right now I feel totally comfortable identifying with

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

The weird thing about this guy is that you can't even really call Omaha rural right? Like it's obviously not a major metropolis but I imagine it's much more socially liberal than the state as a whole, even if it is pretty white. I doubt they needed to run a pro-life guy even if they wanted to be pragmatic.

I think he's just pro-life because he's a Catholic and it's his personal conviction but it seems weird to me that he'd be the candidate as a result. Maybe they just don't have the bench for someone better?

 

[The Technomancer]

The weird thing about this guy is that you can't even really call Omaha rural right? Like it's obviously not a major metropolis but I imagine it's much more socially liberal than the state as a whole, even if it is pretty white. I doubt they needed to run a pro-life guy even if they wanted to be pragmatic.

Eh its pretty damn red. Like, Clinton carried the rural areas by 3 points or so?

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/nebraska

Dunno how they feel about abortion specifically though

 

[Ac30]

I've bounced around a few labels in recent years, and ultimately don't think I've found one I like. Not in some "ugh people who adopt labels are so shallow" way, just I don't think there's any one movement in US politics right now I feel totally comfortable identifying with

Which is why proportional representation is such a great thing! Too bad Trudeau killed it in Canada...

 

[FyreWulff]

The weird thing about this guy is that you can't even really call Omaha rural right? Like it's obviously not a major metropolis but I imagine it's much more socially liberal than the state as a whole, even if it is pretty white. I doubt they needed to run a pro-life guy even if they wanted to be pragmatic.

I think he's just pro-life because he's a Catholic and it's his personal conviction but it seems weird to me that he'd be the candidate as a result. Maybe they just don't have the bench for someone better?

hi i'm from omaha

we're gonna pass the million population mark as of the next census. Also, Democrat mayors can win here, and often do. Our last dem mayor passed a controversial restaurant tax to help fund things the city didn't have money for, the current GOP mayor ran against him and criticized the tax, he got voted out of office for it, and surprise surprise she said she wasn't going to get rid of it because the city needed the money.

and also yeah omaha is not rural at all, it's a sprawling as fuck city, but it's probably one of the few cities where the GOP still has a huge stronghold (basically depends on what side of 72nd street you're on, west is republicans, east of it tends to be democrats)

edit: also the mayoral office of omaha is officially nonpartisan.. I have no idea why Bernie is sticking his nose into this since our mayoral elections tend to be tossups, and also have absolutely piss poor turnouts. I actually did the math for the last election and -I- could have fucking won it, because Jean won with 47,000 votes. Total. A good canvassing strategy and you could win only with support of a small section of the city.

 

[Oblivion]

Patriots WH visit 2015 vs. 2017

https://twitter.com/NYTSports/status/854793140125020160

This was the biggest gathering of players in the New England Patriots in history. Period.

 

[Ogodei]

The problem with the government shutdown is that the Freedom Caucus, et al, will demand something other than a clean CR, and sorting out the details of that will take time and cost potential votes.

 

[whyamihere]

hi i'm from omaha

we're gonna pass the million population mark as of the next census. Also, Democrat mayors can win here, and often do. Our last dem mayor passed a controversial restaurant tax to help fund things the city didn't have money for, the current GOP mayor ran against him and criticized the tax, he got voted out of office for it, and surprise surprise she said she wasn't going to get rid of it because the city needed the money.

and also yeah omaha is not rural at all, it's a sprawling as fuck city, but it's probably one of the few cities where the GOP still has a huge stronghold (basically depends on what side of 72nd street you're on, west is republicans, east of it tends to be democrats)

Of the top 50 cities in America, only:

San Diego
Jacksonville
Fort Worth
Oklahoma City
Albuquerque
Fresno
Mesa
Virginia Beach
Colorado Springs
Omaha
Miami
Tulsi
Wichita

Have Republican mayors. And a lot of these cities have been trending D on a federal level.

 

[kirblar]

State/Local GOP parties are more liberal in blue areas. The GOP knows how to play the game. Nationalization is almost certainly hurting them there.

 

[Tankman]

I think he's just pro-life because he's a Catholic and it's his personal conviction but it seems weird to me that he'd be the candidate as a result. Maybe they just don't have the bench for someone better?

Nebraska's Democratic Party doesn't have the luxury of ideological purity if they want to become relevant. We just lost a Congressional Seat to a nobody.

Omaha is 25% Catholic, with a large fraction of those people being single issue voters(abortion). Mello has a better chance of winning by appealing to the issues voters care about.

 

[FyreWulff]

Nebraska's Democratic Party doesn't have the luxury of ideological purity if they want to become relevant. We just lost a Congressional Seat to a nobody.

Omaha is 25% Catholic, with a large fraction of those people being single issue voters(abortion). Mello has a better chance of winning by appealing to the issues voters care about.

yeah, the dem party basically doesn't have a depth chart here. or a bench. it's pretty much whoever shows up.

 

[Suikoguy]

Oh, and for the record, I have no issue with a soft on pro-choice Dem if it means having a seat versus not.

It's just that logic needs to be applied for all issues.

Electorally, especially with the Senate, getting 60 votes for legislation is probably going to require some 'Blue Dog' dems. Of course that may mean nothing if they nuke the filibuster before that has a chance to happen.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Tom Perez, current chair of the DNC, flat out said that the modern Republican party "doesn't give a shit about the poor" and then refused to back down or apologize, so they're basically paraphrasing him.

In other news, I like Tom Perez a lot.

Virtually no one does hence their outcomes. Hopefully someone will step up to the plate and successfully help them out.

 

[KingK]

I was just listening to This American Life for a bit while driving. The episode is about Putin and it was incredible from what I heard. Definitely downloading the full episode later.

 

[Lucky Forward]

The Judge Trump Smeared As 'A Mexican' Will Preside Over DACA Deportation Suit

The same judge who Donald Trump smeared as “a Mexican” during the presidential campaign will preside over the case of the first known recipient of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) protections to be deported.

USA Today first reported that Juan Manuel Montes, 23, would have his lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security heard by Judge Gonzalo Curiel. Curiel’s assignment to the case was coincidental, the publication reported, as judges are selected based on a rotating schedule.

 

[DonShula]

The Judge Trump Smeared As 'A Mexican' Will Preside Over DACA Deportation Suit

Even odds that Trump goes all in and just claims it's rigged because the judge is Mexican. No shame. Just racism.

 

[Poodlestrike]

The Judge Trump Smeared As 'A Mexican' Will Preside Over DACA Deportation Suit

Somewhere, on the universal control panel, there's a dial marked "irony." At some point in 2016 that dial got turned way, WAY too far up.

 

[Grexeno]

EDIT: Wrong thread