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[GaimeGuy]

Umm Clinton v. Jones said the opposite of that. The holding was that the President is NOT immune from actions that occurred prior to entering office.

Also, I think the President is only immune from official presidential acts. So, if Trump were to hold a campaigm rally today, and omce again advocate for violence, yes, he could be sued civilly for it.

If he were to do this at a presidential address? I think the suit would have to be against the government itself, not him, personally.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Bernie never really mentions minorities because he's in a white state and hasn't had to actually try to win an election in decades, so he doesn't seem to really have any knowledge of minority specific issues, and just believes if everyone has more money, it'll help ease the minority issues.

I don't think it's because he doesn't want to acknowledge there are racial issues, it's just he has no real knowledge of how ingrained they are or what can be done to ease them because he's never had to address them to get elected or to represent the citizens of Vermont.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

When you think that being wealthy means you can hold all the cards and not face any discrimination, it isn't surprising that people think class and wealth is very heavily tied to racism. By making people richer racism should be lessened. It is different to those that think racism is the biggest obstacles that prevents PoC from getting richer, and be given fairer cases.

Bernie possibly very much believes in that.

I think he and most of his wing believe the former, and that wrongness fucks up how POCs see him. Especially the older ones.

Racism was a problem before POCs could even be in the class discussion. Why the hell would it be "lessened" due to money? It takes way more power than just money to do that.

The reason he talks about the WWC the most is one he is a politician, he is looking at the fact that the WWC is represents one the biggest voting blocks and his ideas helps them out, plus he doesn't have much interaction with PoC in his own state.

You're right.

I just thought that by now, he would have done way better at handling this weakness. But he hasn't.

 

[Mizerman]

You know, it's been a while.

And I am still not convinced that black people, namely black women, among other POCs, would really have a seat on the table if Sander's wing of the Dem's took power. Not one of any real influence.

Sanders himself hasn't convinced me, his supporters damn sure haven't, and the media figures, especially the black ones, have done anything but.



The whole wing just feels like a (white) working class is first priority, everyone else is a side issue at best.

Same.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Bernie never really mentions minorities because he's in a white state and hasn't had to actually try to win an election in decades, so he doesn't seem to really have any knowledge of minority specific issues, and just believes if everyone has more money, it'll help ease the minority issues.

I don't think it's because he doesn't want to acknowledge there are racial issues, it's just he has no real knowledge of how ingrained they are or what can be done to ease them because he's never had to address them to get elected or to represent the citizens of Vermont.

Here's my bigger problem with this.

That's Bernie's problem. That doesn't excuse the rest of the wing. The Intercept guys, Justice Dems, Young Turks, Jacobin, etc. etc.

His wing should be covering those bases, but they make it worse.


Like not even Symone Sanders could compensate for the fuckery throughout from those folks and others like Killer Mike.

 

[Blader]

Bernie never really mentions minorities because he's in a white state and hasn't had to actually try to win an election in decades, so he doesn't seem to really have any knowledge of minority specific issues, and just believes if everyone has more money, it'll help ease the minority issues.

I don't think it's because he doesn't want to acknowledge there are racial issues, it's just he has no real knowledge of how ingrained they are or what can be done to ease them because he's never had to address them to get elected or to represent the citizens of Vermont.

But he was arrested in the 60s

 

[Abinash117]

I think he and most of his wing believe the former, and that wrongness fucks up how POCs see him. Especially the older ones.

Racism was a problem before POCs could even be in the class discussion. Why the hell would it be "lessened" due to money? It takes way more power than just money to do that.



You're right.

I just thought that by now, he would have done way better at handling this weakness. But he hasn't.

Because wealthier people have more money to get out of problems, they are idolized, and are much less discriminated against. They have more influence in society and are more powerful. They also commit less crime. Those rich and powerful people keeps everyone down to solve the problems minorities face, redistribute the wealth. I guess is how they think.

Here's my bigger problem with this.

That's Bernie's problem. That doesn't excuse the rest of the wing. The Intercept guys, Justice Dems, Young Turks, Jacobin, etc. etc.

His wing should be covering those bases, but they make it worse.


Like not even Symone Sanders could compensate for the fuckery throughout from those folks and others like Killer Mike.

Perhaps, they always believed in that too. Think about it. What is one group that people on the left universally vilify? The rich, the 1%, Big Business, or whatever. They caused the problems to the unfortunate folk.

 

[Teggy]

Pretty good response

https://twitter.com/thedemocrats/status/854725273312534529

 

[pigeon]

Stop quoting GamerGate writers just because you currently like their narrative

 

[kirblar]

No way was Chaffetz going to lose to a Dem (I think, correct me if his district could actually swing) but there was talk of McMuffin sniping the seat from him, which I could see being successful.

Chaffetz->McMuffin, Hatch->Romney would be a major upgrade.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Jacobin has a fair number of people of color on its staff though, including the chief editor and publisher being the son of immigrants from Trinidad and Tobago? You can criticize their output but it's not like it's a bunch of white dudes. A quick look at the front page gives me articles about Asian poverty and the Model Minority stereotype, abuses by Erdogan against the Kurdish minority in Turkey, and the Black Power movement in Britain. In addition to those, it talks about international socialist movements in places like Serbia or Tanzania. That's just from looking at the front page.

Criticize their politics if you want but I don't think saying they're just a bunch of white only brocialists is a fair characterization.

Heck even their name comes from The Black Jacobins, a reference to the Haitian revolution.

 

[pigeon]

Here's my bigger problem with this.

That's Bernie's problem. That doesn't excuse the rest of the wing. The Intercept guys, Justice Dems, Young Turks, Jacobin, etc. etc.

His wing should be covering those bases, but they make it worse.


Like not even Symone Sanders could compensate for the fuckery throughout from those folks and others like Killer Mike.

I think this is the real problem. Whenever you press Bernie on racial justice he's like "oh yeah duh obviously racial justice." My assumption on that is just that he's 90 or something.

The problem is that people who really do believe in a class-only analysis latched onto him, and those people really are dangerous.

Heck even their name comes from The Black Jacobins, a reference to the Haitian revolution.

Wow, really? They know there's like another pretty prominent source for the name Jacobin that people are likely to get confused about, right? It's the one the Black Jacobins was referring to!

 

[kirblar]

Jacobin has a fair number of people of color on its staff though, including the chief editor and publisher being the son of immigrants from Trinidad and Tobago? You can criticize their output but it's not like it's a bunch of white dudes. A quick look at the front page gives me articles about Asian poverty and the Model Minority stereotype, abuses by Erdogan against the Kurdish minority in Turkey, and the Black Power movement in Britain. In addition to those, it talks about international socialist movements in places like Serbia or Tanzania. That's just from looking at the front page.

Criticize their politics if you want but I don't think saying they're just a bunch of white only brocialists is a fair characterization.

Heck even their name comes from The Black Jacobins, a reference to the Haitian revolution.

As an example of why they're correctly put on blast for this shit, compare their weird tiny factoid article on Asian Poverty to the response of others. They completely ignore the forest (the way in which the model minority stereotype is used as a cudgel against black people) for the trees (oh lets critique a small part of Sullivan's essay that ignores the actual reason that shit blew up.)

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I think this is the real problem. Whenever you press Bernie on racial justice he's like "oh yeah duh obviously racial justice." My assumption on that is just that he's 90 or something.

The problem is that people who really do believe in a class-only analysis latched onto him, and those people really are dangerous.



Wow, really? They know there's like another pretty prominent source for the name Jacobin that people are likely to get confused about, right? It's the one the Black Jacobins was referring to!

Just quoting wikipedia

The name of the magazine derives from the book The Black Jacobins: Toussaint L'Ouverture and the San Domingo Revolution by C. L. R. James, in which James ascribes the Black Haitian revolutionists a greater purity in regards to the ideals of the French Revolution than the "White Jacobins".[8] According to creative director Remeike Forbes, the logo was inspired by a scene in the movie Burn! referring to Nicaraguan national hero José Dolores Estrada,[9] but represents Toussaint Louverture, the most well known leader of the only successful slave revolt in human history.

As an example of why they're correctly put on blast for this shit, compare their weird tiny factoid article on Asian Poverty to the response of others. They completely ignore the forest (the way in which the model minority stereotype is used as a cudgel against black people) for the trees (oh lets critique a small part of Sullivan's essay that ignores the actual reason that shit blew up.)

lol Bruenig literally links and mentions the other critiques too, he's just pointing out that even "Asian-American success" isn't an accurate representation.

 

[Teggy]

Hm?

Senior Republican in Utah tells me it's not clear yet if Chaffetz will finish out his term or decide to resign early

 

[B-Dubs]

Ted is too smart and has too good of a work ethic to lose re-election. Even if he starts to slip, he'll know how to readjust.

Joaquin if he wanted to win would need to pull some crazy shit and cover literally every single inch of Texas to even have hope of having a shot.

Crazy shit like having his brother pretend to be him on one side of the state while simultaneously campaigning on the other?

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Crazy shit like having his brother pretend to be him on one side of the state while simultaneously campaigning on the other?

This sounds like a movie premise

He was busted for that during his mayoral race

Wait for real?

 

[Pastry]

Crazy shit like having his brother pretend to be him on one side of the state while simultaneously campaigning on the other?

Julian was busted for that during his mayoral race

 

[kirblar]

lol Bruenig literally links and mentions the other critiques too, he's just pointing out that even "Asian-American success" isn't an accurate representation.

No. He doesn't. He links to Sullivan's original problem post, to a 2016 article on the history of Asians and racism.

 

[B-Dubs]

He was busted for that during his mayoral race

Please tell me this is real.

 

[Pastry]

This sounds like a movie premise

Wait for real?

Yes lol I'll have to find an article on it

 

[pigeon]

Bruenig's article on this is actually good.

The chunking of ALL ASIAN PEOPLE is a constant source of misconceptions about the world. China isn't like Southeast Asia which isn't like Malaysia. China isn't even like Taiwan! I actually think the "Chinese" subgroup should be broken down even more for more accuracy but the census probably doesn't check.

The broken-down figures show that there are some Asian subgroups which have been able to accumulate the cultural capital to "assimilate," some which have achieved ethnic enclaves but not necessarily wider success, and some which haven't even been able to accumulate enough in-group wealth or status to effectively form enclaves. There are a variety of reasons why in each case. But a category that groups me, a Laotian refugee, and Jeremy Lin probably doesn't accurately describe any of us.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

No. He doesn't. He links to Sullivan's original problem post, to a 2016 article on the history of Asians and racism.

It's literally in the first paragraph.

One response to this kind of argument is that, as a historical matter, anti-Asian racism did hold Asians back and Asians only began to succeed when that racism receded for a number of badly motivated reasons (see Ellen Wu).

In addition to that point, I think it is useful to note that Asian economic success also varies a lot by group.

 

[Pastry]

Please tell me this is real.

You're welcome

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chro...andidate-s-twin-a-parade-stand-in-1953987.php

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

You're welcome

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chro...andidate-s-twin-a-parade-stand-in-1953987.php

omg this is amazing

they should co-run for president

two for the price of one

oh and speaking of white only brocialists

 

[VendettaRed07]

Crazy shit like having his brother pretend to be him on one side of the state while simultaneously campaigning on the other?

Sounds like a good plan.

But you never know. Ted will probably just get the zodiac killer to help him out and cancel out their tag team advantage

 

[kirblar]

It's literally in the first paragraph.

The biggest problem w/ Sullivan's article has nothing to do with Asian Americans.

Bruenig's mini-article is fine as a tangent, but if that's someone's first exposure to the Sullivan blow-up, they're going to badly miss the point. Yes, the topic comes up in the Wu interview, but it's not the focus.

 

[pigeon]

The biggest problem w/ Sullivan's article has nothing to do with Asian Americans.

Bruenig's mini-article is fine as a tangent, but if that's someone's first exposure to the Sullivan blow-up, they're going to badly miss the point. Yes, the topic comes up in the Wu interview, but it's not the focus.

I think Bruenig has many problems but you can't really blame him for assuming that a half-column insert in Jacobin will not be the first exposure to a complicated issue.

The real problem is that Jacobin in general just didn't think this topic was that important so all it got was a half column and a link to the Washington Post.

 

[kirblar]

I think Bruenig has many problems but you can't really blame him for assuming that a half-column insert in Jacobin will not be the first exposure to a complicated issue.

The real problem is that Jacobin in general just didn't think this topic was that important so all it got was a half column and a link to the Washington Post.

Ya, I'm not trying to make it about him - I don't know how the article originated. (I'm not familiar with him other than by name.) As you said, it's part of a long-standing pattern w/ them.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I think Bruenig has many problems but you can't really blame him for assuming that a half-column insert in Jacobin will not be the first exposure to a complicated issue.

The real problem is that Jacobin in general just didn't think this topic was that important so all it got was a half column and a link to the Washington Post.

This is fair but it wasn't the only article I linked to mentioning minority issues even on the front page. I just think it's unfair to criticize them as dismissive of minority issues or whites-only socialism.

 

[Wilsongt]

Well gee whiz who would have guessed???



https://www.wsj.com/articles/exxon-seeks-u-s-waiver-to-work-in-russia-despite-sanctions-1492620677

I am officially dead from smoke inhalation.

 

[sc0la]

Man that guy is made of strong stuff. I suspect he is fueled by a willful refusal to die under a Trump presidency.

I hadn't considered this. It would be a huge blow to the nation the Bush family if Trump got to appoint Jeb's new dad.

 

[jtb]

O'Reilly officially out at Fox

 

[Wilsongt]

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Wednesday painted the results in the special election to fill a U.S. House seat in Georgia, which the leading Democrat narrowly missed winning outright, as a “big loss” for the party.

Democrat Jon Ossoff garnered 48 percent of the vote, just shy of the 50 percent he needed to clear to avoid a runoff, while the top Republican vote-getter, Karen Handel, won 20 percent.

“They were clear going into this election, they said their goal was to get over 50 percent. They came up short,” Spicer said during the daily press briefing when asked about the race. “I think this was a big loss for them. The bottom line is they went all-in on it. They said that they — their goal was to get over 50 percent. They came up short.”

 

[pigeon]

This is fair but it wasn't the only article I linked to mentioning minority issues even on the front page. I just think it's unfair to criticize them as dismissive of minority issues or whites-only socialism.

Sure. I think Jacobin is USUALLY fine. As you noted, class-based analyses deserve space too.

 

[sc0la]

O'Reilly officially out at Fox

 

[Teggy]

Tucker Carlson taking over, as if that's better. How do we get Hannity kicked off fox?

 

[B-Dubs]

Tucker Carlson taking over, as if that's better. How do we get Hannity kicked off fox?

Same way as Bill: get his sponsors to abandon ship somehow.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Tucker Carlson taking over, as if that's better. How do we get Hannity kicked off fox?

Have him assault a ton of women over a couple of decades.

 

[Blader]

Soon, Carlson is going to be anchoring a four-show every night.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

O'Reilly officially out at Fox

For me, the sweetest part is that he doesn't get a last show to bid his fans farewell, with various conservatives luminaries lining up to kiss his ass, the way I'm sure he imagined. He'll just have to do some shitty angry YouTube message or whatever. That has to burn him up.

 

[Ac30]

Hm?

Ooooh baby, what's he hiding

Pretty good response

https://twitter.com/thedemocrats/status/854725273312534529

Why the expletive :/

 

[etrain911]

Ooooh baby, what's he hiding



Why the expletive :/

Tom Perez, current chair of the DNC, flat out said that the modern Republican party "doesn't give a shit about the poor" and then refused to back down or apologize, so they're basically paraphrasing him.

In other news, I like Tom Perez a lot.

 

[jtb]

Great to see that liberals are finally joining in on the Clinton-gossip cottage industry gravy train!

 

[Dan]

Hm?

Oh man, what's going on here? Is something going to drop on Chaffetz soon? Or does he already have a job lined up.

 

[Neodiablo22]

Oh man, what's going on here? Is something going to drop on Chaffetz soon? Or does he already have a job lined up.

::Why not both.gif::

 

[DonShula]

::Why not both.gif::

Yeah, I probably posted this in the other thread, but the next time we see this dude's name in the news, he'll be going to prison. Right now he thinks fading into the private sector and making big money will make people forget about him.

I want to see what happens if he tries to leave the country.

 

[chadskin]

Sources: WH exploring ways to revive Obamacare repeal next week before "100 day" milestone. "I think they have that in mind," I'm told.

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/854784329423212544

 

[Tamanon]

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/854784329423212544

Yeah, that's a great idea.

 

[Rebel Leader]

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/854784329423212544