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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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Teggy

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Looks like they really will be taking another shot at trumpcare. They came up with some tortured way to technically say they are keeping preexisting conditions while actually getting rid of them.
 
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Chumley

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They need to ban him for that.

Like, they need to.

People should circulate that and put pressure Twitter. Deleting it like he probably will any minute now should not let him off the hook.
 
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chadskin

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Well this doesn't sound ominous at all:
The highly secretive meeting being held in Queenstown this weekend is a gathering of intelligence and security agencies related to the Five Eyes spying network, the Herald understands.

Among the people believed to be attending are Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) director James Comey and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director Mike Pompeo.

It is understood about 15 agencies which carry out intelligence for Five Eyes - the spying partnership of the United States, Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and New Zealand - are attending the conference.

In a statement released yesterday, a spokesman for Prime Minister Bill English confirmed a number of senior officials were coming for a conference hosted by the Government, but would not reveal what the conference was.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11842034
 
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Diablos

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Some Republicans Think They May Have A Health Care Deal http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-health-care-deal_us_58f819f7e4b0cb086d7df486

WASHINGTON ― GOP moderates and conservatives are nearing a deal on health care that in theory could get the Republican alternative to the Affordable Care Act out of the House and over to the Senate. The changes also might move Republicans even further away from passage ― no one really knows.

The deal, brokered between House Freedom Caucus chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Tuesday Group co-chairman Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), would allow states to get waivers eliminating the so-called community rating provision ― the rule that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions. In order to obtain the waiver, states would have to participate in a federal high-risk pool or establish their own, and satisfy some other conditions.

In exchange for that conservative concession, the amendment would reinstate the Essential Health Benefits that were already taken out of the bill ― though, again, states could waive those provisions as well if they were able to show that doing so would lower premiums, increase the number of people insured, or “advance another benefit to the public interest in the state.”
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More at link.

Here we go again~~
 
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Aaron Strife

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Diablos said:
Some Republicans Think They May Have A Health Care Deal http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-health-care-deal_us_58f819f7e4b0cb086d7df486



More at link.

Here we go again~~
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Additionally, with Republicans effectively going back on their repeated promises to guarantee coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, the amendment could lose a number of Republicans who already supported the legislation. In short, even though the Tuesday Group and the Freedom Caucus think they have a deal, Republicans writ large might have nothing.

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Those concerns may be significant enough that, even with MacArthur's blessing, the deal does not win over moderates. The concessions also might not be enough for some conservatives, who have expressed issue with Republicans establishing an advance refundable tax credit to help pay for insurance.
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Pretty sure the only principle the Republicans can actually agree on is they want Obamacare gone, but they know it would be political suicide not to cobble together at least some token effort at a replacement. I don't believe for one second any of them is actually concerned for anyone's livelihood here, but they know booting off millions upon millions of people from their insurance plans would give the Democrats a firm House majority come 2019. Maybe even the Senate.

Best case scenario for the Democrats looking to play politics here is some version of this passes the House and dies in the Senate, that way everyone is pissed. GOP base is disillusioned by Republicans not following through, Dem base is still mad as hell (tbh there's no outcome where this isn't true), Independents/swing voters are annoyed by incompetent leadership. Actually getting a plan through would probably mean a worse electoral outcome for the GOP, but imo the cost of losing the ACA is far greater.
 
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Plinko

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Aaron Strife

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Plinko said:
Still sounds just as horrible as before, and will cripple health care in this country.

Their obsession with revenge on Obama will lead to their loss of control of the House.
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It would be nothing but poetic justice if Republicans' attempts to destroy Obamacare led to them losing the House, when the passage of Obamacare is (arguably) what gave them their majority in the first place.
 
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Diablos

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Meh. We'll just have to wait and see. The fact that the moderates and FC are even talking is a step forward for them. It really seems like they won't proceed on taxes until they do something to the ACA. And they are all desperate to get started on taxes, soooo...
 
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Aaron Strife

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Diablos said:
Meh. We'll just have to wait and see. The fact that the moderates and FC are even talking is a step forward for them. It really seems like they won't proceed on taxes until they do something to the ACA. And they are all desperate to get started on taxes, soooo...
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MacArthur and Meadows both ended up supporting the final bill, look what happened there.

They also fell short of the reconciliation deadline.

"They'll get it done because they want to do it" is not a reason.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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So they're going to try again with the bill that was ultra unpopular with some minor tweaks that don't even change anything, and they think this time is must work!

Isn't that the definition of insanity?

Plus they don't even have reconciliation this time, are they expecting McConnell to end the filibuster to pass a bill 75% of Americans do not want?
 
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Chumly

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The house must be desperate to just make it not their fault. So they are just going to get a bill passed even if it dies in the senate
 
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Pixieking

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balladofwindfishes said:
So they're going to try again with the bill that was ultra unpopular with some minor tweaks that don't even change anything, and they think this time is must work!

Isn't that the definition of insanity?

Plus they don't even have reconciliation this time, are they expecting McConnell to end the filibuster to pass a bill 75% of Americans do not want?
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An argument could be made that the public feels like they've "won" against Trumpcare, and have now moved on to other things, as have the media. As such, the GOP could try and push the new deal through quickly on the assumption that it's old news to the public and the media.
 
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numble

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Pixieking said:
An argument could be made that the public feels like they've "won" against Trumpcare, and have now moved on to other things, as have the media. As such, the GOP could try and push the new deal through quickly on the assumption that it's old news to the public and the media.
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Muslim ban part 2.
 
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BoogieWoogie

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So the Healthcare thing is so perplexing because:

1.) The way this is set up, giving states the option to waive essentials, means you can't use the new bill to effect taxes because you have no idea which states are going to do this, making it a moot point in trying to get your tax cuts through.

2.) And again, they need 60 votes now since we're past reconciliation. McConnell sure as fuck isn't nuking any filibusters over this shit.

3.) You're telling me that GOP congressmen in purple states are going to vote on this after seeing what just happened in Kansas and Georgia? You'd DECIMATE them in their precincts with ads saying how they voted.

I think it's seriously just Trump being the mindless idiot that he is and the GOP groveling to attempt to make him look good in his first 100 days.
 
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nature boy

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Grassley says he expects Supreme Court Justice resignation within the year


MUSCATINE — During a visit to Muscatine Tuesday morning, U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he expects a Supreme Court Justice resignation within the year.

"I would expect a resignation this summer," he said.

An upcoming resignation has been "rumored," he said, but he did not name a justice. The question was posed to him during a question-and-answer session at Kent Corporation headquarters, by Kent employees, National Association of Manufacturers members and elected officials at Kent Corporation headquarters.

A person would likely be nominated from the same list from which recently appointed Justice Neil Gorsuch was chosen, Grassley said, most of whom he said are well-qualified.

"I don't know about racial and ethnic divisions, but there's some very good females on there that would make good Supreme Court Justices as well," he said.

When questioned about the possibility of more resignations, he said it could be possible, but hearings would likely not be held during an election year. When former President Barack Obama nominated Merrick Garland to take the place of the late Justice Antonin Scalia, Grassley and other Republicans opposed holding hearings until the election was over.

"If there's a vacancy in the last year of a presidency, people ought to have a voice," he said.

He referred to a speech Joe Biden made in 1992, urging former President George H. W. Bush not to nominate a Justice during a contentious election year, if a seat were to come available.

"I took the same view that Democrats did," Grassley said. "You can be sure the Democrats are going to remind me of that."
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Hindl

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Wilsongt said:
Who is Colin Mo-whatever, why does GAF like him, and why should I care about his tweets?
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Colin Moriarty was an IGN editor/producer for a long time and was one of the mainstays there. Then he, Greg Miller, and a few others broke off and made Kinda Funny, basically their own site along the lines of Easy Allies being former GameTrailers people, Giant Bomb being former Gamespot people, etc. So people on GAF like him because he's been a prominent journalist in the industry for years, many people probably grew up listening to him on IGN. But he's got some pretty extreme libertarian views and is generally pretty unpolitically correct and has a naive view of the world that SJWs should stop bitching. Pretty much your bog-standard libertarian. He's been posting his opinions on Twitter more (he even has the Don't Tread on Me snake as an avatar) and that's naturally drawn in elements of the alt-right for being a journalist that'll stick it to those liberals. This caused strife and division in Kinda Funny with this new audience, and about a month ago he left Kinda Funny and has now made his own podcast/site devoted to his political views, called "Colin's Last Stand". So you can imagine the type of person he is. But he's a big Sony fan and has a lot of gamer fans from his time at IGN, and can be pretty insightful when it comes to games, so some people like him
 
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Blader

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"some very good females"


Republicans have been speculating Kennedy would retire this year ever since Scalia died, based on circumstantial evidence that Kennedy's spokespeople have batted away.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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Probably Thomas. Dude has to know that after this debacle there's u likely to be another opportunity to guarantee a Republican pick for a while.
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Thomas is old and him not retiring within the next 3 years will quickly turn him into the right's version of Ginsburg, where they should have retired years ago because now they need to sweat being replaced by the opposite party. He's not as old as Ginsburg, but he's getting up there, and two terms of a Democrat after 2020 would mean his seat likely was replaced with a liberal.
 
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FyreWulff

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Yeah, it's probably Thomas. Especially since he can't just do his weird non-talking thing in this day and age and just vote along with Scalia anymore.
 
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Wilsongt

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Hindl said:
Colin Moriarty was an IGN editor/producer for a long time and was one of the mainstays there. Then he, Greg Miller, and a few others broke off and made Kinda Funny, basically their own site along the lines of Easy Allies being former GameTrailers people, Giant Bomb being former Gamespot people, etc. So people on GAF like him because he's been a prominent journalist in the industry for years, many people probably grew up listening to him on IGN. But he's got some pretty extreme libertarian views and is generally pretty unpolitically correct and has a naive view of the world that SJWs should stop bitching. Pretty much your bog-standard libertarian. He's been posting his opinions on Twitter more (he even has the Don't Tread on Me snake as an avatar) and that's naturally drawn in elements of the alt-right for being a journalist that'll stick it to those liberals. This caused strife and division in Kinda Funny with this new audience, and about a month ago he left Kinda Funny and has now made his own podcast/site devoted to his political views, called "Colin's Last Stand". So you can imagine the type of person he is. But he's a big Sony fan and has a lot of gamer fans from his time at IGN, and can be pretty insightful when it comes to games, so some people like him
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That's why I don't know him. I never grew up listening to individual personalities on gaming websites, so I was never drawn into that fandom. I really only know of people from IGN/Gamespot/Kotaku/Polygon from gaf threads in passing when they start acting like shitheads.

The only gaming personalities I really knew were TotalBiscuit who was doing a Shining Force 3 Let's Play on Youtube before ge exploded in popularity, and then Jim Sterling, and finally the main review voice guy from Gametrailers.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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I know we think it's terrible and the Supreme Court will be conservative forever or whatever, but looking at their ages, winning 2024 and 2028 will be incredibly important, because that's when folks like Alito, Thomas, Roberts and Sotomayor will be hitting critical retirement age.

Losing in 2020 would be even more devastating for liberals than 2016, since that's Ginsburg (there's no way she could possibly go longer than that) and probably Breyer.
 
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Wilsongt

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balladofwindfishes said:
I know we think it's terrible and the Supreme Court will be conservative forever or whatever, but looking at their ages, winning 2024 and 2028 will be incredibly important, because that's when folks like Alito, Thomas, Roberts and Sotomayor will be hitting critical retirement age.
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Yeah, but can basic civil rights and liberities for non white, straight Christian males hold out that long with a possible 6-3 SCOTUS breakdown?
 
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BoogieWoogie

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HMMM

While some Fox News staffers were happy that O’Reilly had been fired, others were crying, according to a recent report by Vanity Fair. One Fox News insider told the publication that “there’s more to come” — referring to other women who will go public about sexual harassment that they endured at the hands of their co-workers at the network. Two other people who claimed to have heard such stories directly shared the same observation. In addition, there are concerns that 21st Century Fox’s handling of the allegations will draw scrutiny within the company.
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https://www.salon.com/2017/04/20/fo...illys-departure-is-just-the-beginning-report/
 
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Plinko

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BoogieWoogie said:
All signs are pointing toward Warren running in 2020.

Sigh. I don't think she'd beat Trump.
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I have faith that democratic voters will realize she'd have a really tough time winning a general election.

She may be the only democrat out there more unrelatable than Hillary was.
 
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