He has the brains not to.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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He has the brains not to.
Carpe Libertatem
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I don't think McConnell will ever lose, but Tom Daschle begs to differ about your point of leadership being safe.
Harry Reid came close to losing too, maybe if they didn't nominate Sharron Angle. It might just be a Democratic thing I guess.
eBay Huckster
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because people wanna keep getting clowned, apparently
"the Constitution forbids an individual mandate, right there in Article Nowhere."
Lol
Watching some of the clips from SNL, and on some news videos, I'm noticing something different, which is the comments and like/dislike. All the top comments are now anti-Trump comments, and there's no wave of dislikes. Likewise I've noticed things like Trump's tweets get hordes of hostile replies with very few pro-Trump bots/stans in comparison, and I haven't gone there but I've been told places like the politics subreddit are almost universally anti-Trump/anti-Republican and the masses of Russian bots are no longer spamming them, perhaps someone who browses can verify.
It feels like the foot is off the pedal on the whole "Russian/alt-right bot brigade" and much of it has retreated to their safe spaces like the_donald and 4chan.
It feels like the foot is off the pedal on the whole "Russian/alt-right bot brigade" and much of it has retreated to their safe spaces like the_donald and 4chan.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Real low, but the idea has me feeling real giddy.
I just want him and Ryan to pay. Somehow, some way.
Spoiled Milk
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David Frum calling for a select committee instead of a special prosecutor.
I disagree. I don't care about the truth, I just want an impeachment.
I disagree. I don't care about the truth, I just want an impeachment.
whyamihere
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Nevada is a barely lean blue state and South Dakota is red. Not really great fits for D leadership.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Eh, this is a good tactic, actually. Getting the truth is a good thing, because if it gets out and the GOP still refuses to get him out of office, we'd see a huge swing toward democrats.
ArkhamFantasy
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I'm not satisfied with just impeaching Trump, i want Ryan and McConnel arrested for protecting him and sabotaging the investigations going into Trump. Send these mother fuckers a message.
TestOfTide
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Didn't Grimes manage to do fairly decently against McConnell?
A special prosecutor can't impeach.
The route to impeachment is through public presentation of information that forces a political reaction. A select committee is potentially better than a special prosecutor for that. The problem is that the select committee can't be trusted if it's run by the Republicans.
A select committee would report to congress right? A special prosecutor or whatever today's closest would report to the attorney general. Until dems control congress it seems like our best bet is the FBI.
The kind of special prosecutor that existed in watergate/Clinton isn't a thing anymore.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/special-prosecutor-democrats-want-no-longer-exists/
The kind of special prosecutor that existed in watergate/Clinton isn't a thing anymore.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/special-prosecutor-democrats-want-no-longer-exists/
I think unseating McConnell is definitely possible (though obviously not likely by any means), given the politics of Kentucky (similar to WV in a lot of ways) - but it would require going beyond a wave election to an actual political realignment. Which is certainly on the table, given the Republican party just experienced a literal hostile takeover, how Trump is screwing his own base, and McConnell's consistent unpopularity.
But it shouldn't be a priority, especially with so many better 2020 targets.
But it shouldn't be a priority, especially with so many better 2020 targets.
Thillis, Ernst, Purdue will all be top targets I think.
The rest of the states will depend on how badly the next three years go, but I think depending on the political landscape in 2020 and just how awful the AHCA ends up, big Medicaid states like AR, LA, and WV will be potential pickups for bringing back D senators. And let's finally boot Susan Collins out too.
gutter_trash
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SNL's Weekend Update did a better job summarizing this week's news than actual cable news
Autodidact
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Aaron Strife
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To add to the names mentioned above (Ernst, Tillis, Perdue, Collins), I'm hoping for a Mark Begich comeback bid in Alaska and for Steve Bullock in Montana. The timing works out perfectly for Bullock as he's term-limited, and Democrats do really well in Montana except for at the presidential level.
I'd also like to echo jtb's point about states like AR, LA and WV - should AHCA pass, they're totally fucked without the Medicaid expansion and we should make every effort to win them back. Hell, add McConnell to that list, Kentucky relies heavily on ACA. We could win back nearly every seat we lost in 2014 and then some.
I'll also add that Texas is up in 2020 as well, though should Cornyn take the FBI job that may be a hold for us
IIRC Maine's Senate seats are governor-appointed in case of vacancies.
No one has the same clout as Collins in Maine though, except Olympia Snowe who's already retired. Anyone but Collins in 2020 would be in for a real fight, and maybe even Collins should AHCA pass.
IggyChooChoo
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Steve Beshear is three years younger than Mitch. Could do worse.
Aaron Strife
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Andy Beshear is even younger.
whyamihere
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Tbh those are all lower than I expected.
Autodidact
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Same. I think it's also encouraging that he's lost the support of most non-college educated white women. That group helped him a lot in the election.
Aaron Strife
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Gravis GA-6
Ossoff 47
Handel 45
Among voters who didn't vote in the primary, Ossoff leads 53-32.
AHCA favorabilty is 33-42.
Oh god we're gonna lose
Ossoff 47
Handel 45
Among voters who didn't vote in the primary, Ossoff leads 53-32.
AHCA favorabilty is 33-42.
Oh god we're gonna lose
Gravis sucks
Spoiled Milk
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A special prosecutor reveals actual criminal acts, which are the impeachable offenses. I agree on both your other points: a select committee is more expedient and germane to impeachment but a select committee is more susceptible to becoming political circus.
Huh. I expected higher margins.
You'd think that most of them would jump up in support, but I guess not even they wanna touch it with a ten foot pole.
cartoon_soldier
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I like this because McCain has also called for a select committee. This would definitely have more Republican support.
IggyChooChoo
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I'm hoping he might win back the governorship in 2019.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/863828447604473888
Young people hate the bill that doesn't hurt youngs nearly as bad as other groups.
Huh.
Young people hate the bill that doesn't hurt youngs nearly as bad as other groups.
Huh.
How is it that the group it fucks over the most likes it the most? ("Likes it the most" being relative, of course. Those numbers are still abysmal.)
Hmm. I don't think so. West Virginia doesn't throw out incumbents.
Team Alucard
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We have parents and grandparents that it fucks over.
Also considering that we make significantly less income and gave much less stability in employment than older people in the middle of their careers, the medicaid expansion getting axed fucks us over a lot more.
That's wild, 50-64 is the age group hit the absolute worst. 65+ shouldn't give a damn because they're barely effected.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, the difference between 50-64 and 18-34 is still small in importance since both groups loathe the bill and most of the gap can probably be explained by party affiliation.
But still kind of interesting to see.
But still kind of interesting to see.
I remember specifically from the exit polls, as worthless as they ended up being, that Trump's biggest base of support wasn't from the 65+ age group; it was from the 50-64 group.
Which isn't exactly good if the group most receptive to Trump has presumably quite a while left to live.
Which isn't exactly good if the group most receptive to Trump has presumably quite a while left to live.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Any other polls that deal with the special election?
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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That's why, when trump and co go down for treason(hopefully), all his voters should lose their rights to vote in presidential elections.
They gladly sold out the country for what? To fuck minorities? To say fuck you to the constitution?
His base should be considered traitors.
They don't know what's in the bill they just know their racist GOP pals are behind it and according to them it'll make everything cheaper and better
Well, he'll be 80 by then. Maybe he'll just retire.
Democrats may be fucking stupid enough to entertain this idea, but I'm guessing Garland wouldn't be.
Aaron Strife
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They might if Capito ends up signing off on a death sentence for hundreds of thousands of coal miners.
Especially if the Dem nominee ends up being a Midwestern white dude like Franken or Brown who can't as easily be fearmongered about.
(Brown especially could probably do well in Appalachia since he played a big part in getting health benefits for coal miners, I doubt it'd be enough to win a state like West Virginia however. Just that he wouldn't drag down any Dem nominees downticket as much)
There's been a few internals from Ossoff and the DCCC showing him up by a few, Landmark showed Handel up by like two points. Looking like a pure tossup either way.
ShadowSwordmaster
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I would figure it would be like that.
Garland would work because he can grant himself a leave of absence and the seat is not vacant. It will never happen because the republicans don't care about being conciliatory and Trump would never nominate someone Obama nominated for anything. It's not going to happen.
what ever political shill trump ends up nominating the democrats should hammer the following questions.
Just hammer the sorry sucker who takes this devils bargain.
what ever political shill trump ends up nominating the democrats should hammer the following questions.
- Would you take an oath of loyalty to the president if he asked you?
- Has the president already asked you for your loyalty to him personally?
- Did the president tell you if he was recording your conversations, either on the telephone or in person, when you discussed accepting this opportunity with him?
- if he did not tell you he was recording would you be surprised to learn such a recording existed? Would you be comfortable with the content of those hypothetical recordings if they were released to the public at a later date?
Just hammer the sorry sucker who takes this devils bargain.
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