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Yep.
The only oldster I would even consider is Biden, because he's near-universally loved on the left and even conservatives respect him. Unfortunately, at the end of the day he will just be too old.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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Yep.
The only oldster I would even consider is Biden, because he's near-universally loved on the left and even conservatives respect him. Unfortunately, at the end of the day he will just be too old.
Joe Shlabotnik
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So, wholly appropriate but they had to warn the CIA and NSA.
Okay, I've been a bit out of the loop here, but why is Fox and co obfuscating with this story? Who is this dude?
TestOfTide
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DNC Staff member that got shot in DC. Dumbasses on the right like to claim it must be a CONSPIRACY when someone gets shot in fucking DC.
Sirpopopop
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Honestly? This is more likely than Trump impeachment.
Perfect way to blunt Democratic headwinds. Get the new FBI director in there. Fabricate some evidence, if need be. Muddy the waters. Classic dictator move.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Seth Rich was a DNC staffer who got murdered a while ago.
There became this idea that Russia didn't hack the DNC, Seth Rich leaked the info to Wikileaks himself, and then Seth Rich was murdered by Hillary Clinton.
The "investigator" pushing this story is a Fox News contributor who did other "research" on lesbian rape gangs.
It's completely disconnected from reality and the wildest conspiracy you could think up.
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thepotatoman
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I don't think so for Clinton.
For Bush, Zogby found a majority supporting impeachment "if he lied about the war in Iraq". CBS found 61% of Vermont voters supporting starting the impeach process.
And I would still argue the Iraq War fuckup in general is one america's biggest mistakes in history that totally deserved an impeachment, even though it just wasn't in the cards politically to pursue it, especially with Hillary being weak to a lot of the charges they'd bring against Bush.
DNC staffered murdered in DC. Wikileaks decided to offer a reward of $20k for information several months ago on it. The extreme Bernies thought it was because he was going to leak information about the DNC to wikileaks.
I honestly have no idea why it is coming up again. It happened last summer and wasn't that big of a story.
I believe it is really just a distraction away from Dumbass blabbing his mouth to Russia.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed.
I do not feel the same way. I feel like after Trump was a complete disaster, people will want someone they know has done a great job before. They're going to want an expert with experience. By going new, you take the massive risk of untold skeletons being dug up. I don't care how old they are--get a young person in the VP role in case they need to take over. Just get in the White House.
Note: Still not a Bernie fan.
ArkhamFantasy
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Pie in the sky time, how many seats do we need to get rid of electoral college and implement a french like election system?
2/3rds of governships and congresses across the US.
Emerson
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Need control of state legislatures rather than just D.C.
Box of Kittens
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My thoughts would be more along the lines that the people who would make the strongest candidates are going to know what's up and sit this one out. Like I would be very surprised if Kasich were to jump into the Ohio Senate race.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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France's election system is bad... We were like a few inches away from a communist vs. fascist runoff.
How many seats would we need for parliamentary system? I mean, at least 55, but then we would also need all of the Dems willing to go along with it. I think a lot of Republicans would support a parliamentary system.
balladofwindfishes
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Given all the leaks and stuff this would never, ever work.
Abinash117
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If Jordan decides to stop sharing intel with the US. The results will basically be catastrophic in a geopolitical, political, militarily, national security, etc sense. It could much worse behind the scenes than him firing Comey as it would demonstrate a more physical repercussion than any negative action Trump has ever done.
GoldenEye 007
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2/3 of the House and Senate or 2/3 of state legislatures to propose one formally. Then 3/4 of state legislatures to ratify it.
Get that, then we're on our way! Oh, and the GOP is much closer to that. Just a few states away from reaching those needed supermajorities.
ArkhamFantasy
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Oh....that sucks.
balladofwindfishes
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The GOP isn't even (realistically) close to being able to ratify the constitution. That was a myth started by panicking liberals who love to run around with their heads cut off.
I mean, I guess they're "close" if you look at raw numbers and stuff like "they only need 14 senators!" not really realizing gaining 14 senators is basically impossible and stops the entire plan in its tracks, let alone the full control needed in all states.
The only time when this may have even been humored as possible would be Hillary winning in 2016, and the GOP absolutely crushing every election in 2018 and 2020, including the presidency.
Diamond Joe is 74 right now. It's almost unbelievable when you look at him. He'd be 78 on Inauguration Day 2021. Reagan was 77 when he left office.
It's excrutiating to think about what could have been if Biden ran last year. My dad, the indoctrinated red state Obama-hating archetype, openly admitted that he would have voted for Joe Biden had he ran. And this was months before the election.
I'm all for a young candidate and hope that a flood of candidates creates some healthy competition and a consensus winner that Dems can get behind. But Biden was a slam dunk and we missed it.
It's excrutiating to think about what could have been if Biden ran last year. My dad, the indoctrinated red state Obama-hating archetype, openly admitted that he would have voted for Joe Biden had he ran. And this was months before the election.
I'm all for a young candidate and hope that a flood of candidates creates some healthy competition and a consensus winner that Dems can get behind. But Biden was a slam dunk and we missed it.
Doc Holliday
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very low energy for Donald right now, he must be tired of screaming at his TV.
nature boy
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Will there be questions?
No way. I think he'll take off quickly or call on plants.
GoldenEye 007
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It looks like they have both chambers of the legislature (just the one in Nebraska) in 33 states. One short needed to call a convention. But yeah, they would need a few more to get to 75% to actually ratify one I guess. 5 more to be exact.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tes-to-change-the-constitution-but-its-close/
FDR was 50
JFK was 43
Carter was 52
Clinton was 47
Obama was 47
This is how we win elections.
BoogieWoogie
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Aaron Strife
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He's only a Lt. Governor though. I know he's running for gov in 2018 but it would look dumb to jump straight from that to running for president.Gavin Newsom from Cali:
IggyChooChoo
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So, not exactly apples to apples, but suggestive nonetheless. And that makes only 3 presidents in the modern era where a plurality or majority thought impeachment was appropriate: Nixon, Bush II, and now Trump.
Despite my Hillary support and admiration, I think 2018 and 2020 under a Hillary presidency would have been bad enough to make GOP constitutional amendments disturbingly possible.
nature boy
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Wayyyyyy over her head
I love how she blabs about this openly to the news while there is still someone occupying that position
off to a good start
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Gavin Newsom from Cali:
I'm uncertain about how well a guy who has done a bunch of coke in the past will do in the Dem primary.
Gillibrand will be 53
Harris will be 55
Cortez-Masto will be 56
Klobuchar will be 59
Brown will be 67
Franken will be 68
I'm sure I'm forgetting others not named Cory Booker, but generally, younger has won for the Dems, and Gillibrand/Harris/CCM are close enough to the sweet spot to make them attractive options. The older ages in general are likely a result of Hillary artificially pushing a generation back 4 years.
BoogieWoogie
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Vs a guy who was a reality tv show host? We're worried about experience?
Biden would've won is worse revisionism than Bernie would've won - which has some merits, given he actually got into the race and significantly outperformed expectations, even if I don't find it a particularly compelling argument.
For all intents and purposes, Biden did run - and he didn't make it through the primary because he is bad at all the blocking and tackling things that are required of Presidential candidates.
Well, you're basically giving up a potential advantage over Trump. Now, how much does that advantage really matter given the Democrat's electorate? I don't know. But not being a liability is not the same thing as being a strength.
For all intents and purposes, Biden did run - and he didn't make it through the primary because he is bad at all the blocking and tackling things that are required of Presidential candidates.
Well, you're basically giving up a potential advantage over Trump. Now, how much does that advantage really matter given the Democrat's electorate? I don't know. But not being a liability is not the same thing as being a strength.
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thepotatoman
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Electoral college just needs find enough states to enter a compact with a majority of electoral college votes, and hope the courts go along with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
It's unlikely, but feasible. You could be even more fancy with deciding the victor of the compact than straight nationwide national vote, but that's even more unlikely to pass.
It would be nice if just one state decided to restructure their own government away from the bicameral legislature and first past the post voting. At least Louisiana has some stuff kinda sounds similar to the french election?
The Republicans would have murdered the Democrats in 2018 and 2020.
Short term it's not good the Democrats lost, but jesus, it may have been worse than in 2010, especially considering how disliked Hillary is.
Bonen no Max'd
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Didn't Obama say he did coke in college?
StopMakingSense
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lol Newsom.
Im from CA and I do like him a lot. But come on.
Im from CA and I do like him a lot. But come on.
also ~hot take~ but I haven't really been impressed with Kamala Harris so far, at least based off her interviews on Pod Save America and the Axe Files. She's too performative in trying to come across as not a politician and authentic. And she has easy non-answers to tough questions (like, the MI-WI-PA-OH-IA problem).
StopMakingSense
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Box of Kittens
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The "problem" is that it's really hard to actually get those last few legislatures. A bunch of the legislatures that are still under Democratic control are very Democratic. You would need multiple incredibly strong Republican cycles in a row to topple those legislatures as well as get enough House and especially Senate seats. The last time a party had 3/4ths majorities in the House and Senate was following the 1936 election, after several strong Democratic cycles in a row due to the Great Depression. The far more common scenario is that once a party gets large majorities like the Republicans have now voters start to turn away from them. Add in that the next election is a midterm (bad for the incumbent party) and Trump is likely to still be unpopular and it's far more likely that they lose legislatures than gain them.
IggyChooChoo
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Andrew Cuomo will be 63 at inauguration 2020. Eric Garcetti will be a week away from 50. Chris Murphy will be 46. Jerry Brown will be 82.
Box of Kittens
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It's important that the person elected actually be qualified to do the job. Obviously he would be better than Trump (as would Kander and other names like that thrown about) but that's not exactly the bar we should be setting.
nature boy
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Uh oh
KAMALA👏 HARRIS👏Gavin Newsom from Cali:
Gavin Newsom from Cali:
Who used to be married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, lingerie model, Fox talking head and soon to be Spicey replacement.
WHAT A MOVIE!
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