Pretty much this.
Don't see a policy like this helping rural business hire employees or prevent outsourcing.
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Pretty much this.
Don't see a policy like this helping rural business hire employees or prevent outsourcing.
NATO should have given him a gold medal.
Aaron Strife
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Is someone introducing a bill or what?$15 minimum wage rollout:
Bernie should be happy, next PresiDem will probably make this and Conyers' bill top priorities.
Macho Madness
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I think this is setting the stage for the 2018 platform. Raising the minimum wage is popular and this would take probably a decade or so to fully mature.
I am correct:
@eschor
Pelosi commits to taking up a $15 minimum wage bill within first 100 hours if Dems take House in 2018.
nature boy
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New job for Kushner: shadow National Security Adviser
https://twitter.com/ilangoldenberg/status/867763851311423488
https://twitter.com/ilangoldenberg/status/867763851311423488
It seemed good for the leaders who were brown nosing him.
Poodlestrike
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I always liked the idea of a smart national minimum wage tied to local cost of living. 15 everywhere feels like it'd do real damage in places like Mississippi.
That's hard to campaign on, though.
That's hard to campaign on, though.
That's a bad idea. $15 in the major cities sure, but they should instead make the minimum wage adjustable based on where you live and just make it automatically increase with inflation
Nazgul_Hunter
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If you have a choice of 1) Getting $15 now or 2) Pegging minimum wage to inflation; you take option 2.
Pandora012
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That would be the best. A flat $15 does not make sense, it just sounds nice. Mind you they should probably increase it for some rural areas just not that high.
Poodlestrike
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I mean, it almost certainly would increase in some rural areas,if you're doing it right.
Agreed, although even if they do tie it to inflation, they still need to increase it anyway. A national minimum of $9-10 would be best
balladofwindfishes
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15 is fine for places like New York or California, but it seems crippling in places like Mississippi where there just isn't the money there to do it.
Certainly we want to help raise up the underemployed in states, but we also don't want their economies to crash and have minimum wage be blamed.
Yea, 10, but tied to inflation seems fine. Blue states can set it to what they want if they can go higher.
Come to think of it, are there any poor blue states?
Certainly we want to help raise up the underemployed in states, but we also don't want their economies to crash and have minimum wage be blamed.
Yea, 10, but tied to inflation seems fine. Blue states can set it to what they want if they can go higher.
Come to think of it, are there any poor blue states?
Aaron Strife
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The 100 hours strategy is a good one, it worked great for 2006 and gives the party something to rally around.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-Hour_Plan
Beer Monkey
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It's gonna be fun when Mueller's investigation results in Kushner losing his security clearance.
Another reason to dump Pelosi. We need a speaker who will bring up a bill in the first 100 seconds.
ShadowSwordmaster
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How many jobs does he have at this point?
Carpe Libertatem
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The only negative part of leaving minimum wage to states is that GOP governments can fuck over cities in their states (which they are well within their right to do).
Tying it to inflation is better policy but worse politics imo
Tying it to inflation is better policy but worse politics imo
Aaron Strife
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lol
100 Nanoseconds Plan
"Do you swear to uphold the Constitution"
"Yes, also free college is law now"
Abinash117
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Perhaps they are rallying behind the idea for now, but will work out something once they get control of the House. I imagine a lot of businesses both small and large, and some rural Democrats will voice their concerns more aggressively once the legislation process starts.
cartoon_soldier
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15$ minimum wage at National Level uses Dems the house again
QuiteWhittle
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New Mexico?
balladofwindfishes
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Dems are losing the house in 2022 anyway. Might as well go out with a bang
Bonen no Max'd
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New Mexico, Maine, Vermont and Rhode Island all have a GDP per capita that is below the nation's. If we're counting states that have become recently purple but are historically blue, so does Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania (lol)
Fenderputty
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I believe if minimum wage was always tied to inflation it would be around $11 bucks an hour currently. It's only higher in some estimates because they also tie minimum wage to productivity as well as inflation. $15 bucks is high for a national wage IMO.
Aaron Strife
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I agree with this take but I really hope it doesn't pan out.
I just want to see Dems get three good cycles in a row and have massive House and Senate majorities ready to get shit done. The 2018 Senate class is already near maxed out if we're being realistic, but I want the 2020 and 2022 classes like that too.
Oh yeah, we probably won't have the Senate. So it can't pass anyway. Thus, votes are likely to be entirely symbolic. (If we did have the Senate, they'd probably end up fixing the bill cause of the rural state over-representation anyway.)
Correct, 11/12 is the actual range we should be shooting for as a baseline.
I like how he opens his arms, thinking he'd be first, then leans over several times wanting to be next.
balladofwindfishes
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2022, he's going to retire and McCain's seat is ours. That feels like such an opportunity opening up for a new permanent Democrat Senate seat.
Or he'll be an old curmudgeon, run anyway, retire/die a year into his term and never really open the seat to Democrats to win...
We need to break this back and forth cycle. It's TERRIBLE for legislation. You can't rely on only two years of full majorities to pass anything. We haven't had any major piece of legislation passed in this country since the ACA almost a decade ago...
Yes, it's a problem if you don't have a functioning central banking system.
Thankfully, we've had one here for a long time and there's no signs of their turf being encroached.
If it is, we're fucked anyway.
The point is probably to start the conversation at 15, then when it settles on 12 you can say, it's a good spot, it's where it would have been based on inflation.
Fenderputty
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Aaron Strife
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I think both Grassley and McCain retire in 2022 and we should play for both of their seats.
Would also gun for FL, PA, NC, WI, MO if Kander runs again.
No. This is not how things work. Negotiation in politics does not work like this. (Hell, I used this exact example argument as the liberal corollary to Trump's approach yesterday!)
The $15/hr movement is backed/bankrolled by labor groups. They have been successfully getting $15/hr in blue cities across the country. (I believe the only statewide law so far is NY, which did allow for lower amounts in the suburbs and rural areas.)
There is no real negotiation going on here. They're generally getting what they want.
exmachina64
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Actually, no. If the minimum wage had always been tied to inflation, it would be $4.26 today.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
(Up from $4.23 in 2015.)
Bam Bam Baklava
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Isn't this the type of Trump deal making tactics that people think is brilliant negotiating?
Fenderputty
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It was a common complaint about Obama NOT operating in that way when making policy proposals and 'negotiating himself down" to an already compromised starting position, particularly in budget battles etc.
Hooligan69
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I completely agree, even as someone who would love a society without guns. Gun control and abortion are the two issues so many people will carry to their grave defending. Freedom to do what you want with your body is worth fighting for, but drop gun control, it can't hurt, but can definitely help.
Spoiled Milk
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Can you read that graph? It says exactly what exmachina said.lol
The fallacy that 2A voters will suddenly flip to Dems if they stop criticizing guns is silly. NRA will push the narrative that Dems are going to take your guns even if the democrat running is in an ad shooting a fucking rifle.
Quist is all in on 2A and the NRA literally put out an ad saying he's full of shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsMlhdrz7nE
Quist talking about defending the 2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGIrYUci114
NRA giving him shit about it.
Democrats will never win on 2A, fullstop. So why act like backing off of it will bring any meaningful change.
Quist is all in on 2A and the NRA literally put out an ad saying he's full of shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsMlhdrz7nE
Quist talking about defending the 2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGIrYUci114
NRA giving him shit about it.
Democrats will never win on 2A, fullstop. So why act like backing off of it will bring any meaningful change.
VendettaRed07
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I wouldn't say only changes but I agree.
Our rhetoric on guns is toxic to rural voters. Sure we should support background checks and other things but wasting so much political capitol on trying to shove through stuff like "no fly no buy", which, even if we passed it would likely get shot down for being blatantly unconstitutional, is pointless. We gain nothing and just lose seats
And also honestly given that half of gun deaths per year are from suicide I actually think that healthcare/ mental health care improvements would actually save more lives per year than any of the legislation on guns Dems are trying to pass would.
Fenderputty
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Maybe not then. Using 2013 dollar it looks like it would have maxed out at 11 in the 60's and would have been 8 dollar in 2010. What am I missing?
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