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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why

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Aaron Strife

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Oblivion said:
Unless I'm mistaken, Larry Sabato's not some hardcore democrat, is he? Cause he's tearing CNN a new one with their bullshit false equivalency:


http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/get...uivalency-on-both-parties-fostering-violence/

It's really a shame cause those two anchors are actually pretty decent, but to compare the reporter getting bodyslammed to Tom Perez....saying "naughty" words? Are you fucking kidding me?
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Sabato always struck me as fairly even in his analysis, which in today's political environment might as well make him a communist given how much the Republican Party benefits from this false equivalency bullshit.
 
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Ogodei

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VendettaRed07 said:
If the Tories blow it I think we can write off 2016 as just being the worst year ever and the universe just course corrected at the beginning of this year
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I don't think the Tories will blow it entirely (i.e. lose seats), but a gain of less than 50 or so seats are going to make the whole thing seem like a big waste of time, and that is more in the realm of possibility.
 
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Y2Kev

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VendettaRed07 said:
If the Tories blow it I think we can write off 2016 as just being the worst year ever and the universe just course corrected at the beginning of this year
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I think, in reality, when you run the two least popular people ever...surprises can happen when one person loses by less than 100k votes. Sucks but whatever.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Y2Kev said:
I think, in reality, when you run the two least popular people ever...surprises can happen when one person loses by less than 100k votes. Sucks but whatever.
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May has positive favourability, and was a considerably better candidate than any of the alternative leadership contenders. It's not a perfect analogy.

Corbyn is also more popular than Farron, which is unusual since normally Lib Dem leaders poll very favourably since everyone decides that at least they're not as bad as Labour/the Conservatives depending on whether you are the Conservatives/Labour.
 
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ivajz

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Former White House press officer Boris Epshteyn under investigation in Russia probe

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...shteyn-investigation-russia/story?id=47731166

The Congressional investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election continues to grow, as yet another Trump associate, Boris Epshteyn, has acknowledged that he has received a request from for information from lawmakers.

Epshteyn, a Trump campaign adviser who briefly served in the White House press office, confirmed to ABC News that he has received a lengthy list of questions from the House Intelligence Committee. His lawyer provided a brief statement to ABC News.

"Like many others, Mr. Epshteyn has received a broad, preliminary request for information from the House Intelligence Committee. This is a voluntary request. Mr. Epshteyn has not been subpoenaed nor do we anticipate that he will be. We have reached out to the Committee wth several follow up questions and we are awaiting their response in order to better understand what information they are seeking and whether Mr. Epshteyn is able to reasonably provide it."

The Trump associate, 34, most recently served as the special assistant to the president in charge of surrogate operations before leaving his post in March.
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TestOfTide

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VendettaRed07 said:
If the Tories blow it I think we can write off 2016 as just being the worst year ever and the universe just course corrected at the beginning of this year
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The correct answer is that 2015 and 2016 were years in which neo-fascism was on the rise. But luckily 2017 has been consistently the year in which the western world has second thoughts and goes "oh wait. No I didn't realize THAT'S what you fascists were going for. Fuck that and fuck off."
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
The Associated Press‏ @AP
BREAKING: AP Exclusive:Three men probing worker abuse allegations at Chinese factory making Ivanka Trump shoes arrested or missing.

The Associated Press‏ @AP
BREAKING: AP source: Ex-National Security Adviser Flynn will provide some documents under subpoena to Senate intelligence panel.
 
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rokkerkory

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Dan said:
The Associated Press‏ @AP
BREAKING: AP Exclusive:Three men probing worker abuse allegations at Chinese factory making Ivanka Trump shoes arrested or missing.

The Associated Press‏ @AP
BREAKING: AP source: Ex-National Security Adviser Flynn will provide some documents under subpoena to Senate intelligence panel.
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He's buying time again
 
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TestOfTide

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thepotatoman said:
What could he possibly be getting ready for that requires twitter bots following him?

Probably just someone mad that Trump has way less followers than Obama and is trying to fix it.
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Honestly it's probably just more efforts at bot nets for spreading more fake news. Nothing big just more of the same
 
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kirblar

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TestOfTide said:
The correct answer is that 2015 and 2016 were years in which neo-fascism was on the rise. But luckily 2017 has been consistently the year in which the western world has second thoughts and goes "oh wait. No I didn't realize THAT'S what you fascists were going for. Fuck that and fuck off."
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Wouldn't be surprised if Trump is singlehandedly bringing May down.
 
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1.21Gigawatts

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TestOfTide said:
I wouldn't worry too much for a few reasons:

1) Fox is losing popularity, as evidenced by their ratings dip. I've been predicting their downfall lately and I stand by that prediction. They were only successful pre-Trump because back then they weren't full-breitbart and this could appeal to a wider audience. Now that they have gone full-breitbart they are losing their appeal to a lot of viewers, including moderate conservatives.

2) Trump is still getting hit with death by a thousand cuts. The same sort of constant negative narrative is what caused 60% of voters to hate Hillary and Trump is not immune to such a thing either.

3) The moment Trump actually goes down, so too does the morale of Trump's fanbase. It's the main reason (besides being primaried) that the GOP is afraid to turn on Trump and just make Pence POTUS. They know that if Trump goes down, then Pence is nothing more than Gerald Ford but with an unlikable amount of religiousness to him (Trump's rise in the primaries proves that being religious is not that appealing these days).

The only real problems to worry about for the next 4 years are:

1) Voter Suppression efforts by the GOP. Luckily it seems the Dems are getting smarter about actually tackling those efforts.

1a) Gerrymandering is still a problem that favors the GOP

2) Trump's fanbase are a majority of the GOP voters these days, which makes it hard to win over to our side any GOP politicians that rely on being voted in by GOP voters.

3) Fake News and "political psychosis" is becoming a bigger and bigger problem in America and needs to be dealt. Hopefully there will be ways to section 12 people so we can figure out cures for political psychosis.
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1. Fox News might be losing popularity, but not because people prefer real news, but because they found even worse stuff online.

A considerable part of US voters are so disconnected from reality, so deeply misinformed, that it was enough for someone like Trump to become president.


2. Trump already had a dozen scandals that would've ended the careers of normal politicians. But his entire persona is built in a way that makes him largely immune to this stuff.

I am pretty sure that Trump will stay for his entire term and the way things are currently looking dems won't gain anything back in 2018 and Trump has good chances to be re-elected in 2020.



I really don't share the optimism of many liberals in the US.

Trump isn't even the problem. Trump is a symptom. The changes that happened over the recent decades in the US voter base that made Trump possible are actually concerning me.
Liberal western values aren't that widely accepted and shared in the US anymore.
And thats fucking dangerous.

A lot of Americans are scared of Muslims, scared of globalization, they don't believe in climate change, they don't believe in the must fundamental of western values.

Many Liberals seem to think that the racists, the islamophobes, the nationalists, the conspiracy theorists can just be ignored, but unfortunately these groups are now way to big to be ignored.



I just feel like Trump is seen as the problem instead of a symptom, so people are fighting Trump instead of the spreading ideology that caused Trump.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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why dont the democrats have a song

Labour has THINGS

CAN ONLY GET

BETTER

plus the old favourite that is the Red Flag. What do Democrats sing when drunk on expectations?
 
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Spoiled Milk

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Dan said:
The Associated Press‏ @AP
BREAKING: AP Exclusive:Three men probing worker abuse allegations at Chinese factory making Ivanka Trump shoes arrested or missing.
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Regional politics can be extremely dangerous in China. These factories provide huge opportunities and wealth and trying to disrupt the status quo is precarious.
 
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TestOfTide

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1.21Gigawatts said:
1. Fox News might be losing popularity, but not because people prefer real news, but because they found even worse stuff online.
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Bullshit. Fox has been going full-Breitbart lately. Hannity was LITERALLY pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy nonsense.

The people that are extreme enough for Breitbart were still watching fox even when fox was more subtle, because fox was the only channel on cable that they could watch people suck up to conservatives so much.

The problem is that before, fox had a formula that allowed it to attract more than just the type of people who listen to talk radio. People like Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly, and Greta Van Susteren were masters at tricking more moderate people into watching Fox News. But now they have none of the top bullshit artists, so their Shit doesn't sell as well anymore.

A considerable part of US voters are so disconnected from reality, so deeply misinformed, that it was enough for someone like Trump to become president.


2. Trump already had a dozen scandals that would've ended the careers of normal politicians. But his entire persona is built in a way that makes him largely immune to this stuff.
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I think you underestimate how much Trump won due to antiHillary propaganda working. There are a shitload of Trump voters who literally only voted for Trump because they bought into the antiHillary bullshit. I'm talking about people who acknowledge that Trump is bad and still like Obama, but fell for the antiHillary propaganda so they LITERALLY thought that Hillary had gotten away with everything including murder.

I am pretty sure that Trump will stay for his entire term and the way things are currently looking dems won't gain anything back in 2018 and Trump has good chances to be re-elected in 2020.
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Name me someone who got reelected on Trump's kind of approval numbers.

I really don't share the optimism of many liberals in the US.

Trump isn't even the problem. Trump is a symptom. The changes that happened over the recent decades in the US voter base that made Trump possible are actually concerning me.
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Trump's fanbase is a problem, but:

1) You are overestimating the size of his fanbase

2) You have to realize that his fanbase are a TRUMP fanbase, not a Pence fanbase, not a Paul Ryan fanbase, not even a GOP fanbase. They are specifically a TRUMP fanbase and without Trump they lose a lot of their enthusiasm.


Liberal western values aren't that widely accepted and shared in the US anymore.
And thats fucking dangerous.

A lot of Americans are scared of Muslims, scared of globalization, they don't believe in climate change, they don't believe in the must fundamental of western values.
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What we are seeing is the rural urban divide going national. Rural whites are siding with the bigots unfortunately, but the good news is that it seems the suburban voters actually tend to side more with the urban voters on social issues.

Many Liberals seem to think that the racists, the islamophobes, the nationalists, the conspiracy theorists can just be ignored, but unfortunately these groups are now way to big to be ignored.
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When did I say we can ignore them? All I'm saying is that we outnumber them. It didn't seem that way in 2016 because their side turned out in high numbers while our side had much lower turnout, but all evidence suggests that we have the numbers.
 
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tuxfool

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1.21Gigawatts said:
I just feel like Trump is seen as the problem instead of a symptom, so people are fighting Trump instead of the spreading ideology that caused Trump.
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It isn't like you can fight the ideology of gross wanton ignorance. The cure for that is education, but these people are ignorant by choice.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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kirblar said:
We have POPGAF for this.

How did you miss the memo last election.
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popgaf sucks though. it shows the commercialist and urbane nature of the democratic party that you can be convinced pop music has anything other to offer than baubles and trinkets to pacify the masses. truly, capitalism devoured your soul when the song of your history and your people and your politics and the wrench and the plough and the smoke and the blood and the family is... fight song.

Where's the soul music? Where in your heart of hearts, you've seen the future, and it's fully automated luxury gay space communism? What do you belt out instead of

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

There must be some good gospel music somewhere that I'm just not aware of the associations to the Dems.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
Crab said:
why dont the democrats have a song

Labour has THINGS

CAN ONLY GET

BETTER

plus the old favourite that is the Red Flag. What do Democrats sing when drunk on expectations?
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Democrats sang Na Na Na Na and everyone got mad at them

America, where being cheeky is worse than voting to remove health insurance from 23 million people
 
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etrain911

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Aaron Strife said:
Democrats sang Na Na Na Na and everyone got mad at them

America, where being cheeky is worse than voting to remove health insurance from 23 million people
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Who got mad at them? Republicans? Republicans pull that shit all the time. Hell, the reason the beer garden party thing took off was because it was so believable.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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do none of you know the words to Solidarity Forever?
 
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Spoiled Milk

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Crab said:
popgaf sucks though. it shows the commercialist and urbane nature of the democratic party that you can be convinced pop music has anything other to offer than baubles and trinkets to pacify the masses. truly, capitalism devoured your soul when the song of your history and your people and your politics and the wrench and the plough and the smoke and the blood and the family is... fight song.

Where's the soul music? Where in your heart of hearts, you've seen the future, and it's fully automated luxury gay space communism? What do you belt out instead of

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

There must be some good gospel music somewhere that I'm just not aware of the associations to the Dems.
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Please don't tell me I have to listen to Garth Brooks in four years.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Crab said:
do none of you know the words to Solidarity Forever?
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It was we who plowed the prairies, built the cities where they trade
Dug the mines, worked the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid
Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made
But the union makes us strong

Which Side Are You On is my preferred labor song though, or This Land is Your Land.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Bonen no Max'd said:
It was we who plowed the prairies, built the cities where they trade
Dug the mines, worked the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid
Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made
But the union makes us strong

Which Side Are You On is my preferred labor song though, or This Land is Your Land.
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You picked exactly the verse of Solidarity I was thinking of - every Democratic prospect needs to go to a union and hear that belted out by what proud remnants of American manufacturing remain and hear the history and the weight and the dignity.

Which Side Are You On is also good. This Land is Your Land is a bit timid for me.
 
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sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
Crab said:
why dont the democrats have a song

Labour has THINGS

CAN ONLY GET

BETTER

plus the old favourite that is the Red Flag. What do Democrats sing when drunk on expectations?
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Some song by Queen.
I don't remember the name, not "Bohemian Rhapsody", the other one

Edit: Oh i remember it was "Yassss"
 
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Deleted member 231381

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shinra-bansho said:
Get with the times, commies.
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The past is a curious thing. It's with you all the time. I suppose an hour never passes without your thinking of things that happened ten or twenty years ago, and yet most of the time it's got no reality, it's just a set of facts that you've learned, like a lot of stuff in a history book. Then some chance sight or sound or smell, especially smell, sets you going, and the past doesn't merely come back to you, you're actually in the past.
 
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kirblar

Member
Crab said:
The past is a curious thing. It's with you all the time. I suppose an hour never passes without your thinking of things that happened ten or twenty years ago, and yet most of the time it's got no reality, it's just a set of facts that you've learned, like a lot of stuff in a history book. Then some chance sight or sound or smell, especially smell, sets you going, and the past doesn't merely come back to you, you're actually in the past.
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I remember the '80s and '90s.

Today is way better!
 
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aspiegamer

Member
Dan said:
That was a nearly 20 second pause before he started answering the question. Amazing.
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I figured this was an exaggeration, but, nope, it's 19 full seconds of silence! Had I not known this might be there I'd have checked the video for errors after that much of a pause. Followed by a non-answer and someone off screen telling him to flee. Nice. Defending the absolutely indefensible has to suck, but remember the man chose this as a job. Well, I assume he's an administration lackey and that everyone else was long ago purged from the department.
 
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