Nazgul_Hunter
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Have you seen "Get Me Roger Stone"? The last 30 minutes of that with Manafort etc. feels almost like a prequel to the Russia Collusion movie.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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Have you seen "Get Me Roger Stone"? The last 30 minutes of that with Manafort etc. feels almost like a prequel to the Russia Collusion movie.
A Serious Man
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"This would later become known as the Covfefe Bump, when a politicians lovable, goofy incompetence endears him to the public."
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/31/playbook-mitt-romney-event-paul-ryan-238965
Interesting group of people there.
He has said it plenty of times, each time there was a TV interview of him or so finished with "Enjoy!", even in the campaign.
Anyway, who fucking cares? The whole thing is stupid as hell. Trump is really the president this era of eternal search of entertainment deserves.
BoogieWoogie
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What is Trump's bullshit about Dems not wanting Carter Page to testify?
NYT is getting rid of the public editor position. Don't let the door hit your ass, Liz.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_592ec472e4b0e95ac1956706/amp
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_592ec472e4b0e95ac1956706/amp
balladofwindfishes
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Look at all those old people ready to yell at him about their healthcare
It was terrible. Worse than nothing at all because all she was was a pr face for the paper and trying to conceal it. The NYtimes response to their article on the Manchester attack was pathetic and cowardly, and made me unsubscribe from them. So much for the 'paper of record'.
Officerrob
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We all knew this, he was just too much of a pussy to do it at the G7 summit
radios shipping overview
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The right have been been running any way they can in order to try to disavow this guy or distract from him. Never mind that he wants the same things they do.
IggyChooChoo
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The public editor at least had some condemnatory pieces following the NYT's role in helping the Bush administration push the Iraq War via Curveball, aluminum tubes, and the editorial page.
That disapproval is higher than the national average, no?
Certainly the previous public editor was fantastic. Less PR, and more actually engaging with the issues that caused readers to write in. At one stage - in some conversation or another - I was actively arguing for larger videogames sites to have a public editor position in order to engage with low-knowledge, irritated readers instead of them just spamming the comments sections about whatever thing they were angry about at the time.
But, yeah, Liz Spayd, plus the NYT's editorial stances during the 2016 campaign, cocked it up.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The right seems to be overplaying this griffin thing to milk it as much as possible. If people don't care that trump boasts about sexual assault and all the other shit personally wrong with him, they shouldn't care about griffin. I sure as hell don't. But it's their chance to try to shift the story from things that matter so they pounce on it. They don't care. It's just swill for their followers to drink and become more intoxicated with their own bullshit.
hawkshockey11
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I would seriously go on a hike with Mitt Romney
Aaron Strife
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Michigan is probably the easiest flip in 2020, it's the closest state Trump won.
By about six points yeah.
Lot of undecideds too which makes that spread (12-61, -49 favorability) dreadful. Rust belt is going to turn hard on Trump, mark my words.
TestOfTide
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Honestly I see the right's focus on Kathy Griffin backfiring because it completely undermines their arguments against political correctness and because the vast majority of people on both sides don't actually give a shit about what Kathy did.
I get why Kathy had to apologize (any kind of death threat to a POTUS or candidate is a no-no), but liberals and progressives should just keep their political correctness within the realms of legal while still sticking with the uncomfortable.
Every time the right gets outraged over liberals and progressives being politically incorrect is a win.
Box of Kittens
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What really elevates this above strategery is that the latter was actually coined by Will Ferrell on an SNL debate sketch, whereas this is actually just Trump being Trump.
Even keeping in mind how poorly Michigan polls have fared recently, those are awful numbers for Trump.
Yes. His national disapprovals have generally been hovering around the mid 50s.
TestOfTide
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I still say that the easiest flips are Florida and Pennsylvania. Trump only won those two states because he got record high white rural turnout in those states.
Also, the fact that so many respondents are undecided tells me that a lot of Michigan Trump voters KNOW Trump is fucking up but are ashamed to admit it.
Aaron Strife
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The silver lining of 2016 is we don't have to move the needle that much to win back the presidency. Those three and Wisconsin give us over 300 EVs. Every state moving to the left by four points gives us AZ and NC as well, and almost wins us GA.
Mobius and pet octopus
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True, the hypocrisy is palatable. Unless Griffin did something illegal, and from what I understand it wasn't...
Besides, I've almost never seen a right winger make exceptions for freedom of speech, I get the impression they think all speech should be free regardless of content. It's just all wrong. I think our education system failed hard in the civics department.
Cesare Borgia
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Trump won Michigan by 10k votes, it's very flippable if dem strongholds show up.
You don't flip PA without it also flipping WI and MI. Those 3 should be the easiest to flip.
There's no scenario where WI and MI flip but PA stays red. I remember on election night playing with the map "Where the path" once she lost PA. I knew it was over once that happened knowing FL and NC were gone.
There's no scenario where WI and MI flip but PA stays red. I remember on election night playing with the map "Where the path" once she lost PA. I knew it was over once that happened knowing FL and NC were gone.
Bernie is speaking at a university in Berlin today. Live stream if anyone's curious: https://www.facebook.com/ZEITmagazin/videos/10154433929601927/
benicillin
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Bonen no Max'd
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WI/MI and AZ + ME-2 or NE-2 also gets you to 270 if you lost PA but narrowly held onto WI and MI. I think AZ is more likely to be blue in 2020 than NC tbh.
Get the fuck oooooouuuuut
She was the worst.
EDIT: She was probably a symptom rather than a cause, but at least there won't be a weekly column smarmily defending their both-sides bullshit.
Spladam
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Flipping them will have little to do with Trump's approval ratings and everything to do with who the Dem's put forward, not being Hillary is the biggest advantage though.
Maiden Voyage
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Dominican Power
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Kathy Griffin giving Trump supporters more ammo. Don't know wtf she was thinking.
Joe Shlabotnik
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You'll pry Kathy Griffin's right to appear on TV out of our cold dead hands, said no one on the left in the country ever
Also Sean Hannity is trying to get advertisers to pull out of Rachel Maddow's show lol
They are not good at this
Also Sean Hannity is trying to get advertisers to pull out of Rachel Maddow's show lol
They are not good at this
Box of Kittens
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Honestly, Trump's approvals are probably the single biggest factor in whether those states will flip back. Not that the candidate doesn't matter (Obama was a strong candidate for those states and Clinton was weak) but if Trump's still sitting at sub-40 approval on Election Day the Dems would be in position to win WI+MI+PA by running a ham sandwich. Where the candidate matters most is in a scenario where Trump's net approvals are about even or slightly negative.
excelsiorlef
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Dude they make up their own reality....
Who the fuck turns to Kathy Griffin for a source of... well anything.
TestOfTide
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Oh, there is absolutely precedent for interpreting what Kathy did as illegal. That's why she apologized.
Trump literally only won Florida because he got the rural white voters turning out in unprecedented numbers in that state.
What does anyone realistically expect people to do with the Kathy Griffin bit. Her agent got paid, focus on the actual issues of substance. Healthcare is still on the table, Paris Climate, Birth Control.
Pissing around worried about some higher profile idiot pulling some publicity stunt doesn't help anyone. Griffin isn't going to shift public perception beyond a day or two unless you're one of those nuts who thought she needed to be strung up for the picture. Get your shit right.
Pissing around worried about some higher profile idiot pulling some publicity stunt doesn't help anyone. Griffin isn't going to shift public perception beyond a day or two unless you're one of those nuts who thought she needed to be strung up for the picture. Get your shit right.
BlastProcessing
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She just took their calls for an end to Political Correctness to heart.
BoogieWoogie
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Funny about Trump's Carter Page tweets....so he does know him now?
RustyNails
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Feel like I'm out of the loop re: Liz Spayd...why is her ouster a good thing?
The alt-left deep state fake news liberal jihad must end.
I was going to say that too, but figured the voter ID laws in WI might be bad enough to insulate the state from whatever Dem-friendly demographic trends are happening in PA and MI in an election year.
Mobius and pet octopus
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What precedence? The exception to free speech protection only covers calls to imminent action. If what she did did not call for imminent acts of violence, first amendment usually wins. Unless I am missing something in the content.
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