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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why

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Wilsongt

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Wrap it up.

No obstruction of justice here

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.

As a matter of law, Comey is 100 percent correct. As I have long argued, and as Comey confirmed in his written statement, our history shows that many presidents—from Adams to Jefferson, to Lincoln, to Roosevelt, to Kennedy, to Bush 1, and to Obama – have directed the Justice Department with regard to ongoing investigations. The history is clear, the precedents are clear, the constitutional structure is clear, and common sense is clear.

Yet virtually every Democratic pundit, in their haste to “get” President Trump, has willfully ignored these realities. In doing so they have endangered our civil liberties and constitutional rights.

Now that even former Director Comey has acknowledged that the Constitution would permit the president to direct the Justice Department and the FBI in this matter, let us put the issue of obstruction of justice behind us once and for all and focus on the political, moral, and other non-criminal aspects of President Trump’s conduct.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...nd-all-democratic-commentators-are-wrong.html
 

Teggy

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Deirdre Walsh @deirdrewalshcnn

Sen. Graham on Comey calling Trump a liar :"everybody accuses the president of lying, like everybody in the primary accused him of lying."
3:09 PM · Jun 8, 2017

Is this comment supposed to mean anything? :p
 

Barzul

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People need to learn to just take an L. If he'd done that, it would have just boiled over now he's ensured this story will trend for hours, days maybe and every reply to his tweets going forward will reference it. Ridiculous stuff.
 
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More years of a useless oversight committee. I'm sure he's getting ready for email and benghazi hearings.
 

Spladam

Member
I really want Trump to testify.

On TV

Everyone watching
I thought his testimony was going to be on twitter, but it looks as if they hid his phone from him today.
Comey's word vs the President's word.

Only trust what Trump says and what he posts on Twitter and what comes out of Fox News.

Everything else is FAKE NEWS and liberals being cry babies.

This fucking country... I am just sick to my stomach by it all.



Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr

Today's Winners:
@realDonaldTrump
The DOW
America/#MAGA

Losers:
Comey
Loretta Lynch
#MSM but especially NYT
1:50 PM · Jun 8, 2017
Remember the "Biggest Douche-bag in the Universe" episode of South Park? Yeah, aliens are about to make first contact just to take Donald Jr. to the ceremonies.
"Dear President Comey...."
Lol
Putin is probably laughing his ass off.

Four months is all it took to reduce the US to an untrustworthy laughing stock, lol
How fucking effective are psy-ops though? Wow. I mean, kudos to the Russian electronic espionage divisions. We need to recruit some of these guys.

I play minecraft with a Russian dude who is slightly ironically Russian patriotic, and he keeps trolling me with a "Putin riding bear across river" picture in discord, with a his own caption under it reading "majestic". I give him that one.
 
Why do people leave porn tabs open? I honestly don't understand how that continually happens to high-profile people every year. You got sidetracked while jerking off and decided to go check your email and then forgot to close the tab for days? You have it as an automatic homepage/bookmark in non-private browsing because you apparently need immediate access at all times despite the risk of anyone being able to see it?

I mean, we are talking about some intense regularity of porn consumption if someone is deciding to share a screenshot of their computer and doesn't actively realize they have porn open. It means that they have those kinds of tabs open so much by default that its presence didn't even cross their mind.
 

Barzul

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Why do people leave porn tabs open? I honestly don't understand how that continually happens to high-profile people every year. You got sidetracked while jerking off and decided to go check your email and then forgot to close the tab for days? You have it as an automatic homepage/bookmark in non-private browsing because you apparently need immediate access at all times despite the risk of anyone being able to see it?

I mean, we are talking about some intense regularity of porn consumption if someone is deciding to share a screenshot of their computer and doesn't actively realize they have porn open. It means that they have the tab open so much by default that it's presence didn't even cross their mind.

This, it's the reason incognito exists ffs, gives you buffer and separation from your actual work.
 

Spladam

Member
Coming from ignorance here... Are hentai and manga impossible to confuse? Why is his comment funny?

I'm not the expert here, but one is porn and the other is the printed media as a whole. The joke is the line between the two is blurred due to, well, modern Japaneses culture. And this dude's crazy story.

I mean, there is a... 20% chance that the dude is telling the truth.. should have played it better regardless.
 
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/872877108766310401
Taniel (@Taniel)
The Hill confirms: Sens. Portman & Capito, both from Medicaid-expanding states, are on board with expansion repeal. https://t.co/Og9CM9JLQW


Like I said, GOP congress are rats on a sinking ship looking for anything that floats to save their asses. ACHA is going to pass, healthcare will take a hit sooner or as late as they push it back, but the net effect is the same if delayed.

Wouldn't that take into effect the moment it passes though?

Like, that would be political suicide for the GOP. I get that they want to advertise the fact that they repealed Obamacare, but they will then be advertising the fact that they immediately took away healthcare from millions of people.

Like good job GOP, you just passed something that everyone is going to fucking hate and that the AARP will probably have your head on a spike for.
 

Hindl

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Coming from ignorance here... Are hentai and manga impossible to confuse? Why is his comment funny?

Manga is japanese comics like anime is japanese animation. Hentai is japanese cartoon porn, which can either be in anime form or in manga form. If you want a video analogue it would be somewhat like a foreigner saying they thought they were on YouTube instead of Pornhub or something
 

Kevinroc

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https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/872877108766310401
Taniel (@Taniel)
The Hill confirms: Sens. Portman & Capito, both from Medicaid-expanding states, are on board with expansion repeal. https://t.co/Og9CM9JLQW


Like I said, GOP congress are rats on a sinking ship looking for anything that floats to save their asses. ACHA is going to pass, healthcare will take a hit sooner or as late as they push it back, but the net effect is the same if delayed.

Heller is on board with ending the Medicaid expansion too.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...en-year-phase-out-of-medicaid-expansion-funds
 

Plinko

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https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/872877108766310401
Taniel (@Taniel)
The Hill confirms: Sens. Portman & Capito, both from Medicaid-expanding states, are on board with expansion repeal. https://t.co/Og9CM9JLQW


Like I said, GOP congress are rats on a sinking ship looking for anything that floats to save their asses. ACHA is going to pass, healthcare will take a hit sooner or as late as they push it back, but the net effect is the same if delayed.

Oh look, more evidence it is going to pass.

They must have internal polling that says far-right voters won't vote for them if they don't repeal Obamacare. Problem is that doesn't take into account the backlash of what will take place when they lose coverage.

The main problem is that it probably won't really start affecting people until after the 2018 elections because they'll work up some sort of delay.
 

Wilsongt

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Wouldn't that take into effect the moment it passes though?

Like, that would be political suicide for the GOP. I get that they want to advertise the fact that they repealed Obamacare, but they will then be advertising the fact that they immediately took away healthcare from millions of people.

Like good job GOP, you just passed something that everyone is going to fucking hate and that the AARP will probably have your head on a spike for.

Why would the GOP congresspeople care? They're rich with tax payer funded healthcare with great coverage, or they are over 65 with Medicare/AARP coverage.
 
Wouldn't that take into effect the moment it passes though?

Like, that would be political suicide for the GOP. I get that they want to advertise the fact that they repealed Obamacare, but they will then be advertising the fact that they immediately took away healthcare from millions of people.

Like good job GOP, you just passed something that everyone is going to fucking hate and that the AARP will probably have your head on a spike for.

There's clearly some unseen force at work here that makes the GOP think that failing to repeal Obamacare is more dangerous to them than doing... This. Probably a confluence of factors. Anti tax groups lobbying for the cuts, fears over an actual Obamacare implosion being blamed on them, a total dearth of intellect or morality, terror at the prospect of primary challenges from the right...
 

Gruco

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It is surprising to me that a massive healthcare march wasn't organized the day after the AHCA made it through the house.
 

Plinko

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Averon

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Can we finally put to bed to notion that the Senate GOP aren't as radical as their peers in the House?

I never understood why so many gave them the benefit of the doubt.
 
There's clearly some unseen force at work here that makes the GOP think that failing to repeal Obamacare is more dangerous to them than doing... This. Probably a confluence of factors. Anti tax groups lobbying for the cuts, fears over an actual Obamacare implosion being blamed on them, a total dearth of intellect or morality, terror at the prospect of primary challenges from the right...

But like, I would think that the smart move for them would be to have the worst effects be delayed until later on (2020 or later), not have shit like medicaid repeal go into immediate effect.

Having it go into immediate effect means that the healthcare markets are gonna fucking panic and that the effects can be easily blamed on Trump and the GOP.
 

Plinko

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But like, I would think that the smart move for them would be to have the worst effects be delayed until later on (2020 or later), not have shit like medicaid repeal go into immediate effect.

Having it go into immediate effect means that the healthcare markets are gonna fucking panic and that the effects can be easily blamed on Trump and the GOP.

A seven-year phaseout isn't immediate, though.
 
7 year phase out assumes the market won't get rocked well beforehand.

Oh right I forgot about that. The house has so many parts that go into effect immediately that will cause the healthcare markets to get really unstable.

Watch premiums manage to go UP as a result of the instability.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Odds on any pent-up Oppo that was waiting until after the Comey testimony to drop?

I admit my desire for such is childish. But I want it!

Slim to none. Tons of news came out from that testimony.
 

Gruco

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Can we finally put to bed to notion that the Senate GOP aren't as radical as their peers in the House?

I never understood why so many gave them the benefit of the doubt.

It's not so much as that they aren't as radical so much as that they're just as willing to fold to radicals. Not that it makes that much of a difference.

Like, we've already reached the point where every Republican Congressman/Senator is willing to hide from their constituents. The parliamentarian agreed to ignore the Byrd rule and allow this under reconciliation. If this comes back to the house I can't believe the Freedom Caucus would nix it.

It really is on us to generate a shitstorm, but it's all Russia all the time. And Russia is important! But the path is WAYYYYY too smooth at this point. Is there an Obama bat signal or something? Wasn't ACA repeal one of the issues he said would cause him to speak up? How much could an Ossoff win scare them?
 
Odds on any pent-up Oppo that was waiting until after the Comey testimony to drop?

I admit my desire for such is childish. But I want it!

Probably won't drop until Tomorrow evening at the earliest.

It's not so much as that they aren't as radical so much as that they're just as willing to fold to radicals. Not that it makes that much of a difference.

Like, we've already reached the point where every Republican Congressman/Senator is willing to hide from their constituents. The parliamentarian agreed to ignore the Byrd rule and allow this under reconciliation. If this comes back to the house I can't believe the Freedom Caucus would nix it.

It really is on us to generate a shitstorm, but it's all Russia all the time. And Russia is important! But the path is WAYYYYY too smooth at this point. Is there an Obama bat signal or something? Wasn't ACA repeal one of the issues he said would cause him to speak up? How much could and Ossoff win scare them?

Trust me. Obama knows that if he speaks up, it only makes it easier for the GOP to make just blame things on him.

Obama was great, but we need to stop relying on him and find our next Obamas.
 

Blader

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If Heller, Moore Capito, and Portman are on board with repealing the Medicaid expansion, then it's over. Maybe Collins and Murkowski will be allowed to vote against it, but McConnell has his 50. The AHCA they pass likely won't be radically different from the House bill either if everyone who had concerns about that bill can just suddenly about face with an "I'm ok with it now", prompted by absolutely nothing.

Like, that would be political suicide for the GOP. I get that they want to advertise the fact that they repealed Obamacare, but they will then be advertising the fact that they immediately took away healthcare from millions of people.

I'm not entirely convinced. Senators like Portman and Cotton were elected by Republican voters whose healthcare and lives depend on Medicaid assistance. Voters who have repeatedly elected Republican politicians who have openly run on platforms of repealing Obamacare and its Medicaid expansion.

I linked to a Vox article yesterday about how Republican voters in Kentucky who rely on the ACA and Medicaid not only voted for Trump and Hal Rogers last year, but continue to support Rogers and the GOP even though Rogers and the GOP voted on a bill that would effectively ruin their lives. The party identity grip on these people's minds, and the disconnect between who they elect into office and how that decision impacts their healthcare, is just too fucking entrenched.

It really is on us to generate a shitstorm, but it's all Russia all the time. And Russia is important! But the path is WAYYYYY too smooth at this point. Is there an Obama bat signal or something? Wasn't ACA repeal one of the issues he said would cause him to speak up? How much could an Ossoff win scare them?

The path is smooth because Republicans have majorities in both the House and Senate and only need majorities to pass this bill. As long as they have that, and don't give a shit about their constituents screaming at them, there's nothing to stop them.
 
I'm not entirely convinced. Senators like Portman and Cotton were elected by Republican voters whose healthcare and lives depend on Medicaid assistance. Voters who have repeatedly elected Republican politicians who have openly run on platforms of repealing Obamacare and its Medicaid expansion.

Correction: Those republicans ran on repealing "Obamacare". They didn't run on "I'm gonna vote for this AHCA that, when signed into law, will immediately fuck over your healthcare in ways that will be easy for your to notice and trace right back to my vote.

What's gonna happen is a lot of voters are gonna learn the hard way that their Senators just voted to fuck over their healthcare, and that will snap them out of the "repeal Obamacare trance" and into the "wait what the fuck did you just do to my healthcare" mode.

We already saw a lot of this sort of thing happen with the ACA suddenly becoming a lot more popular now that it might actually get repealed.
 

Kevinroc

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It also means it can get reversed if everything flips by 2020.

Will Democrats need 60 Senators to do that?

(Because it's straight up BS that Republicans can destroy healthcare with a majority in the Senate and Democrats will need 60 votes to do anything about it.)
 

Averon

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I think most of those voters wanted a repeal and replace with something better, not repeal and replace with something worse that will raise their premiums and lose them coverage.

The GOP is clearly doing the latter, and I think that will cause enough GOP voters to flip in 2018 for the Dems to have a good 2018 election result.
 

Emerson

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AHCA polls roughly on-par with the idea of having a red-hot pair of tongs stuck up your asshole.

So if they pass it, it'll be a major fucking shame for the people the legislation hurts, aside from the Republicans in the House and Senate who will absolutely get very badly hurt by it.

These guys afraid of getting primaried if they don't do it? You think the AARP and every other damn lobby won't fund another Republican to primary you too?
 
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