I don't see many conservative sites/programs really talking highly of this bill whereas the left is PISSED AS FUCK. I think for the GOP its just TAXCUTS!!!!!!!!!!! and fuck everything else.
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I don't see many conservative sites/programs really talking highly of this bill whereas the left is PISSED AS FUCK. I think for the GOP its just TAXCUTS!!!!!!!!!!! and fuck everything else.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Some aspects of the right are not just quiet on it, they are negative to it.
IggyChooChoo
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Josh Marshall has that bitch-slap theory of politics among conservatives, that strength breeds strength and weakness reinforces weakness. Doing something for the sake of doing something (even something seemingly self-destructive) would seem to conform with that mindset.
seems to conform to that analysis.
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I had the same reaction as bernie
excelsiorlef
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One person did and everyone else disagreed but hey you got to once again talk down to those concerned about the impact of bigotry by calling it "screaming" racism/sexism...
balladofwindfishes
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I think quite a lot (most?) rich people that look down on poor people have it rooted in racism. Poor = black to them.
Macho Madness
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It's all connected. The rich use sexism and racism as weapons to get what they want. That's what I meant. Get out of here with this "downplaying" shit.
excelsiorlef
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Don't call it "screaming" next time...
And don't talk about one person as if they are everyone.
The Technomancer
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I don't disagree but I also think that it would be a mistake to think that sexism and racism are economically derived, modalities of capitalist power. They often operate orthogonally to it and jesus christ I need to stop reading Foucault at 1am
Infinite Stars
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I know I'm late, but I'm happy to see Clinton get into raising for Grassroots. If there's one thing I don't think anyone can deny it's that she's great at fundraising
He really doesn't know what's in his own goddamn bill...
He's too busy winning, he doesn't have time to read.
AntraxSuicide
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Saying there's no class war is insane in my opinion, but statements like "you can scream racism and sexism" makes me think I'm listening to Rush Limbaugh.
Do....Do you mean butt stuff? I mean it's cool if you do, just, I'm just curious is all.
Will this make a major difference?
AntraxSuicide
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I was actually curious about this a few years ago so I asked my relatives to describe a poor white person. They mostly described people that looked like Eminem (who looks really "urban" to them). Never mind that we are literally poor white people and my dad sitting in the goddamned room is a broke redneck with a mullet, warrants for his arrest, and prison tattoos. Nope, that picture of poor white people just didn't come to mind. Gotta go for the guy with baggy pants who raps.
Bonen no Max'd
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Probably not, but it is currently a very tight race so it could mean something.
I would do some particularly crazy
electoral campaigning and fundraising
More Obama->Trump voter stuff, this time focus group quotes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ories_obama-trump-voters-930pm:homepage/story
excelsiorlef
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"benevolent" racism is totally something that I think is vastly examined.
Economic anxiety though
shinra-bansho
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Eat the rich.
Save the racists.
Save the racists.
JesseEwiak
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Yup, multiple columnists have talked about how lots of swingy white Democrats were extremely upset that black people didn't stop complaining about things after we elected a black President.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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This is pretty much the only person who mentions race so overtly, everybody else seems several shades of, "I just didn't like Hillary", which, well, we ain't running her again, so we're starting with a leg up, already.
Basically, Trump walked into the eye of the perfect storm. Racial unrest, big increase in healthcare premiums, big changes to the economy, conspiracy theories, and the second least-liked politician in modern political history. Things were going to swing Repub, and Trump was lucky enough to be that Repub. I'm fairly convinced Hillary could have beaten only Cruz and Bush.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Rubio/Kasich would have gotten 340+ electoral votes.
TestOfTide
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Eh it's kinda 50/50.
But you ARE right that a lot of Trump/Obama voters still like Obama, but they had been convinced that Hillary was basically the devil.
Haha what the fuck?
As outrageous as that is, I still love some of the other quotes more because even the WPost editorial staff felt they had to mention again inline that these people voted for Trump:
"They made Trump, I think, I, well, I shouldn't say it was the media's fault, it was pretty much his mouth's fault but he made himself look like a very mean, cruel person that just was very racist. And I thought he would, everyone was going to vote for Hillary because of that.
Translation: I thought my vote didn't matter. (but even that still doesn't make this make sense)
I think they all lie, but Trump was more is more obvious.
Translation: At least I know he's evil.
There were quite a few opportunities for him to stand up to defend things, and all he did was just roll over and show his belly every time.
Translation: But Clinton is a woman.
Oh, you know, Obama is like a very entertaining speaker. Like he's captivating, and but he, yeah, he just, he tries to appease everybody.
Translation: I'm tired of the snowflakes, only MY problems matter.
Well, on top of that, she had an earwig in, and they were feeding her the answers. (This was a conspiracy theory pushed by the Drudge Report and others. A woman on the panel seemed to agree, responding: Right, well, that's what I'm saying.")
Translation: I'm a fucking nutter.
shinra-bansho
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On Australian healthcare. It is an underlying public system with an auxiliary private insurance system.
It looks like this.
There are depending on where you go what would be the equivalent of I guess copays for Medicare provided services. E.g. GPs that "bulk bill" will charge you nothing.
I'm not sure this is what people envisage in the socialist utopia.
It looks like this.
There are depending on where you go what would be the equivalent of I guess copays for Medicare provided services. E.g. GPs that "bulk bill" will charge you nothing.
I'm not sure this is what people envisage in the socialist utopia.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I really think the effect of "I watched him on tv for a decade, he seemed like a nice guy, and he's pretty funny and entertaining, and I just REALLY don't like Hillary" has been underestimated amidst all the talk of everything else that went down.
Reading through those quotes, like half of them seem to have voted for him because "fuck it". This is horrendously stupid, but these are votes that can be won back.
TestOfTide
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Honestly, reading that article I couldn't help but think "Some of these voters are so easy to win back we barely have to do anything different besides not run Hillary or Warren."
Exactly. You get a charismatic New Blood democrat to run that is too new to find dirt on, give them an experienced old, charming white guy as the VP on the ticket, and you now got yourself another Obama/Biden stew cooking.
Harris/Franken 2020
VendettaRed07
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What about the cars?
shinra-bansho
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Converted to ecopottery.
Dubbedinenglish
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Jeb(!)/Stien would've gotten more.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Rubio would have gone on Fallon with stylish, vaguely effeminate shoes or boots every other week, and Kasich would have done an eating contest on Conan or Kimmel or some shit. Talk about normalizing!
pretty sure we confirmed that Jeb! won all 538 electoral votes in the primary timeline
I think it was a play for 2018. Trump kind of previewed it in his tweet the other days when he said they need to elect more republicans to the senate in 2018 to repeal Obamacare.
They know it's dead in the senate and that's fine. If they let healthcare die without passing the House then all those House members go back into elections with no real excuse as to why they didn't repeal Obamacare even though they said they would. Now, by voting this through and sending it to the senate they can go back and say "Hey we tried!" The bill ends in the Senate and Trump can start screaming at his enemy: Schumer and the Democrats in the senate. Trump and republicans largely work best with an enemy. Now they can say the dirty Democrats blocked it, so go vote Republican so we can do something!
Even if this goes nowhere it puts House Republicans back in the same position they were in before with countless obamacare repeals that went nowhere and they knew it'd go nowhere.
Note: I don't think this is Trump doing 12 dimensional chess. I think this is house and republican strategists as a whole possibly.
whyamihere
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The problem with Kamala running is that there isn't anyone who enjoys working with Kamala and her campaign will be a Hillary 08 disaster ¯_(ツ
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_/¯What else lies in our futureThe problem with Kamala running is that there isn't anyone who enjoys working with Kamala and her campaign will be a Hillary 08 disaster ¯_(ツ
Dubbedinenglish
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Counting on the President's party gaining seats in midterms? That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The problem with Kamala running is that there isn't anyone who enjoys working with Kamala and her campaign will be a Hillary 08 disaster ¯_(ツ
Depends on if she can sell herself as a Hopey Changey gal, and how much opposition she gets from the Left.
I know it's early, but I am into fantasy rosters for who people think will run that will have a shot. Gabbard fucking decapitated herself a few weeks ago, so my early favorite (in terms of who I thought might have mainstream appeal) is out. I've got my money on Harris, now. I don't think people will go for Franken, Tim Kaine is a walking melatonin pill, Warren's appeal will be too narrow by then, and Bernie is going to continue to be Bernie.
whyamihere
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Pretty sure the entire city of Sacramento was thrilled to see Kamala go to D.C.
Bonen no Max'd
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I'd be interested in reading more about this?The problem with Kamala running is that there isn't anyone who enjoys working with Kamala and her campaign will be a Hillary 08 disaster ¯_(ツ
neurosisxeno
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They're not counting on jack shit. They were never counting on gaining seats when they voted to repeal Obamacare the first billion times. They're counting on keeping their own seats. They were put there to try and repeal Obamacare. They tried. They can blame the dems now and wait it out. Without passing anything in the house, however, only they would have the blame. They could get hit from the right.
Hah, Robert Costa just said exactly what I was talking about on twitter, too:
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