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If they get one democrat to sign it the Dems will be unable to capitalize on this crap.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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If they get one democrat to sign it the Dems will be unable to capitalize on this crap.
That Dem will no doubt be primaried at the first possible opportunity.
Team Alucard
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I can't figure out of "Employee offered healthcare" means government as well so I figured I would ask here. Will the AHCA affect healthcare of government employees who receive it through their job in any way? I'm talking largely about Police Officers and Fighter fighters when I mean government employees.
If you're an employee of the US Government or a blue state then your healthcare benefits are safe. Those are negotiated in the collective bargaining agreements that exist nearly everywhere in public sector employment, Yay unions.
Rational choice theory might finally be stumped.I'm not sure I follow the logic of making a disaster of a bill that passes the house and then they scrap it and "fix" it in the Senate.
Like... why not just pass around a post-it saying "Obamacare sux and we're repealing it" and then punt it off to the senate? It has the same end goal of originating in the house, as needed, without the stigma of being a bill that strips the insurance away from 25 million people and causes the elderly's rates to sky rocket.
This whole process seems self destructive, unnecessary, and just plain weird.
excelsiorlef
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If they get one democrat to sign it the Dems will be unable to capitalize on this crap.
How would one Dem override every other one
If they get one democrat to sign it the Dems will be unable to capitalize on this crap.
This won't happen.
The Technomancer
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This won't happen.
I also do not think this is happen. There are conservative Dems but there's no-one insane enough to vote for this lunacy.
balladofwindfishes
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Rational choice theory might finally be stumped.
It just doesn't make any sense at all that they wasted the last two months, the terrible PR and the toxic, potentially career ending vote that has the same exact end goal that everyone knew was the end goal and everyone was saying was the end goal since they started the whole process, when a clean bill that didn't do anything but repeal Obamacare would have been sufficient.
There was literally no reason for the House to even come up with any complex bill at all if the goal for the last few months was to let the senate actually write the bill.
I guess technically the bill's now at where it was expected to be at the beginning rather than it taking weeks as far as passing house and going to the senate.
It's pretty funny that President P-Grabber is celebrating like his team just won the superbowl, when in reality they managed to pass a single bill in the house with a 40 seat majority. Score!
It's pretty funny that President P-Grabber is celebrating like his team just won the superbowl, when in reality they managed to pass a single bill in the house with a 40 seat majority. Score!
The majority is closer to 23.
Alabama can now deny gay couples to adopt.
Also: Flint residents can be foreclosed upon for not paying their bill on toxic water: 1 page
Clinton says she is going to start a grassroots movement to raise money: 9 pages of calling her terrible, telling her to fuck off, and fellating Bernie.
Also: Flint residents can be foreclosed upon for not paying their bill on toxic water: 1 page
Clinton says she is going to start a grassroots movement to raise money: 9 pages of calling her terrible, telling her to fuck off, and fellating Bernie.
balladofwindfishes
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Alabama can now deny gay couples to adopt.
Until it goes to a court...
It's like she shot someone on 5th Avenue.
Hey man you can't prove that, she had people bury the bodies.
Alabama can now deny gay couples to adopt.
Also: Flint residents can be foreclosed upon for not paying their bill on toxic water: 1 page
Clinton says she is going to start a grassroots movement to raise money: 9 pages of calling her terrible, telling her to fuck off, and fellating Bernie.
I mean the one is a talking point. It's like when you say don't watch Stephen A Smith or Colin Cowherd or whoever and they would just go away in the sports world. It's just, like, people are going to go to their talking points and flock to the place where they can bash Clinton. It's just a thing. I don't get people who do that, especially when they're not important anymore on a grand scale, but it's not surprising or disheartening anymore to me. People like talking about things they think they're comfortable with or feel like they can have an "opinion" on and so will go there and do it again. Some people love to rehash again and again.
whyamihere
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Dave Wasserman doubles down on being a dick.
@Redistrict
Not mocking anyone w/ cancer. Pointing out some of us who argued PA/MI/WI were in play felt dissed by the pod. Still enjoy you & @jonfavs.
balladofwindfishes
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Dave Wasserman doubles down on being a dick.
Has someone told him maybe he should just stop. He's looking like an ass.
"I had cancer, I might have cancer again, they're going to drop me, I'm freaking out"
"Why didn't you listen when I told you so! Election have consequences lol"
metalslimer
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Dave Wasserman doubles down on being a dick.
What a POS.
Macho Madness
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I'm just tired of losing the class war.
Dave Wasserman doubles down on being a dick.
He really doesn't get it. In what universe is this the time for gloating?
I'm just tired of losing the class war.
There's only one class that matters anymore, anyway. Rich, then everyone else.
There never has been and never will be a class war.I'm just tired of losing the class war.
There never has been and never will be a class war.
Wait, you're kidding, right?
There is one and the poor are losing.
Bonen no Max'd
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This is why we're losing the class war.There never has been and never will be a class war.
Dubbedinenglish
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There's only one class that matters anymore, anyway. Rich, then everyone else.
Rich and the displaced rich
Poor racist whites are winning. Because humans divide on race and never class.Wait, you're kidding, right?
There is one and the poor are losing.
Please define what you mean by this cause otherwise I think everyone's gonna response w/ their own interpretation and we'll have a mess on our hands.I'm just tired of losing the class war.
TestOfTide
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man the alt-right posters sure got a lot less subtle in those last two Clinton threads......
Poor racist whites are winning. Because humans divide on race and never class.
How familiar are you with human history? Because this is a curious interpretation.
UhhhhThere never has been and never will be a class war.
metalslimer
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Poor racist whites are winning. Because humans divide on race and never class.
It can be both. However, I mean maybe poor white people are winning in that they get to fuck over minorities, but overall they are far from winning anything for themselves.
How familiar are you with human history? Because this is a curious interpretation.
tfw I learned that the plebes were merely temporarily embarrassed patricians.
Fucking over minorities is all they care about.It can be both. However, I mean maybe poor white people are winning in that they get to fuck over minorities, but overall they are far from winning anything for themselves.
Poor racist whites are winning. Because humans divide on race and never class.
Understanding this topic is literally why intersectionality exists.
Got the Shakes
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Here is Donald Trump saying that Australia (they have universal health care) has better health care than the U.S. and Bernie Sander's reaction to that.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/860288727276556289
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/860288727276556289
You forgot nationality. Also before class.We divide ourselves on race, sex, and class--generally in that order.
You forgot nationality. Also before class.
Ehh. Most of those divisions are generally racial.
I wrote a game about colonialism a while back and one of the rules is that the richest player out-of-game gets a particular job.
Keep in mind this is a game about colonialism so most of the people who play it are at least open to discussing race and privilege. That's why they're there.
People very frequently outright refuse to follow this rule because they're totally unwilling to even talk about which of them is actually the richest.
Just something to think about!
I don't think poor racist whites are winning because they're clearly going to get fucked by the GOP. People of color are going to get fucked worse, in general, sure. But comparing privilege is not productive!
Keep in mind this is a game about colonialism so most of the people who play it are at least open to discussing race and privilege. That's why they're there.
People very frequently outright refuse to follow this rule because they're totally unwilling to even talk about which of them is actually the richest.
Just something to think about!
I don't think poor racist whites are winning because they're clearly going to get fucked by the GOP. People of color are going to get fucked worse, in general, sure. But comparing privilege is not productive!
Here is Donald Trump saying that Australia (they have universal health care) has better health care than the U.S. and Bernie Sander's reaction to that.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/860288727276556289
That was full-on Larry David.
The Technomancer
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I don't agree that class is that irrelevant, but I was thinking about this literally this morning (before the vote). I think I've finally figured out how to articulate my problem with historical materialism. I think economic relations constrain other social relations, but they don't determine them, and positions that start from economic and class relations as the only foundational infrastructure (gah can you tell the sort of texts I've been reading?) really don't seem to adequately explain race relations in the US
LyndonJohnsonquote.jpgI don't think poor racist whites are winning because they're clearly going to get fucked by the GOP. People of color are going to get fucked worse, in general, sure. But comparing privilege is not productive!
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I genuinely don't understand the GOP's political calculus today. How does passing a bill that won't get considered in the Senate and is enormously unpopular help them? Is it JUST about getting a "win" to energize their base, and they assume everyone will forget about this come 2018?
The house democrats are terrible at messaging though. That singing shit they pulled today was so fucking tone deaf it was absurd.
That's what the GOP did when ACA passed. Not saying it's right.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The house democrats are terrible at messaging though. That singing shit they pulled today was so fucking tone deaf it was absurd.
You're right, they should have had one of those cry-ins I heard about back in November.
IggyChooChoo
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Yeah, I think so. Their base was getting demoralized *and* everyone else hated them, so they decided to fix that first part. I don't think there's any strategy beyond "winning feels better than failing."I genuinely don't understand the GOP's political calculus today. How does passing a bill that won't get considered in the Senate and is enormously unpopular help them? Is it JUST about getting a "win" to energize their base, and they assume everyone will forget about this come 2018?
I genuinely don't understand the GOP's political calculus today. How does passing a bill that won't get considered in the Senate and is enormously unpopular help them? Is it JUST about getting a "win" to energize their base, and they assume everyone will forget about this come 2018?
The theory is that they can't go to 2018 saying "yeah you elected President Trump and we control both houses of Congress but we still can't repeal Obamacare."
They would either have to be totally incompetent or shameless liars. In fact they are both, but they'd like to keep that quiet.
So they have to do SOMETHING. The problem is that the thing they promised is impossible.
They have no good choices. Somebody decided that passing something bad was better than not passing anything. Not sure this will turn out to be correct.
excelsiorlef
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Here is Donald Trump saying that Australia (they have universal health care) has better health care than the U.S. and Bernie Sander's reaction to that.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/860288727276556289
This is pretty great omg
Macho Madness
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Rich people are the primary reason this bill passed. You can scream racism and sexism because of course those things helped these people get elected but it's the richest of fucks who wanted this bill so bad so they could get a tax cut. A bill that will be murderous to so many people.
Yet you want to tell me there's no class war.
Yet you want to tell me there's no class war.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The theory is that they can't go to 2018 saying "yeah you elected President Trump and we control both houses of Congress but we still can't repeal Obamacare."
They would either have to be totally incompetent or shameless liars. In fact they are both, but they'd like to keep that quiet.
So they have to do SOMETHING. The problem is that the thing they promised is impossible.
They have no good choices. Somebody decided that passing something bad was better than not passing anything. Not sure this will turn out to be correct.
idk, once the CBO score comes out, how do you defend against attack ads accusing you of wanting to take healthcare away from like 30 million people and make rape victims unable to be insured for subsequent rape-related problems they may have?
I wonder if there is just an assumption that Trump and the far right are going to be able to whip up anti-"snowflake" fever when the time comes, since things are so partisan?
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