smokeandmirrors
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yeah but the last time this was tried it killed a trillion gazillion people!11
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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yeah but the last time this was tried it killed a trillion gazillion people!11
ArkhamFantasy
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Someone offer to drive him home in exchange for the pee pee tapes.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump still hasn't figured out that the leaks are coming Ivanka trading info for puff pieces so I believe he is that stupid.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Unions will be unnecessary when the government provides a consistent safety net that is not under siege. Until that is the case, Unions are the best way for people in the private sector to give themselves the leverage to consistently make decent, livable wages and benefits. At the very least, there should be fewer systemic barriers, and companies should not be allowed to propagandize against labor organization.
Like, when you fire the guy investigating your ass, your reason has to be more than ironclad. I should be reading about how Director Comey got caught fucking a Russian spy, or would that be an act of projection too? But the best the president could do with his fucking elementary school level writing skills is "well gosh, my racist-ass AG whispered in my ear and thanks for trying to validate my so-called innocence anyway"? THAT'S WHAT YOU GO WITH?
whyamihere
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Unions are even more important as we transition to a gig economy. You specifically singled out the importance of unions in "have gig work that results in naturally inconsistent work"!
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shinra-bansho
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I mean you all say this. But old lefty union peoples haven't shown much interest in adapting to the changing nature of work...
Particularly the growth in the professional classes. Who haven't really been clamouring to organise.
Particularly the growth in the professional classes. Who haven't really been clamouring to organise.
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thepotatoman
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Fox News person saying this isn't trump covering his ass over russia because all this does is put Andrew McCabe in the position.
Proposal: Keep McCabe as official FBI director.
Proposal: Keep McCabe as official FBI director.
ArkhamFantasy
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Look at some conservative messageboards, they love this.
Poodlestrike
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I feel a little bit better now that the whole "we didn't think it'd be a big deal you guys" leak is out there, but I still think that there's a strong possibility that they implement a fascist dictatorship in the next 1.5 years.
Ehhhh I wouldn't read too much into that. Conservative professional troll game is on point. Doubt there's that many people represented there.
Ehhhh I wouldn't read too much into that. Conservative professional troll game is on point. Doubt there's that many people represented there.
Gig work will never be the norm though? It works in entertainment media production because of the nature of production cycles, but that gig work cycle isn't true for people working at a TV station. It's getting more prevalent, but it's not the future. People (and employers!) like stability.
The good news is that gardening and woodworking are both very good for the soul. The labour is relaxing and productive!
Fenderputty
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If a special investigation isn't possible even in 2018, are we all basically hoping the FBI/IC are furious enough to leak more info keeping public interest alive?
shinra-bansho
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You just posted a graph showing very little corollary between % unionisation and presence of social safety nets...? I mean the group od Scandinavian countries have high membership and strong services, they're also all Scandinavian.
And Norway is just an oil reserve pretending to be a country.
Also wouldn't it make more sense to use figures at the time these public benefits were introduced.
whyamihere
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I mean, the gig economy is NOT just entertainment media. When we talk about gig work, it's a lot bigger than that, and it's become a huge part of our economy!
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/13/gig-economy-is-growing-heres-how-much.html
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thepotatoman
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This makes me really wish cabinet filibuster was still in place. I don't blame Ried because McConnell probably would have already killed it long before now given how easily he killed the supreme court filibuster, but I do still miss it.
On a scale of mild fart to explosive diarrhea...
This is stomach virus shooting shit out of both ends.
Fenderputty
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Also ... is it just dispair, or is there an actual reason people are bringing up the cancellation of 2018 midterms?
OrangeGrayBlue
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WV is a great example of the old lefty union people. Used to be one of the most reliably blue states in the country and is now one of the most reliably red, and the change happened in like three election cycles. It's pretty much ground zero of the workers-rights democrats who are indifferent to or actively turned off by the Dems' stances on social issues. And instead of voting in favor of retraining programs or stronger safety nets, they just flock to the guy (Trump, in this case) who promises to make things how they used to be.
Bonen no Max'd
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The Nordic model is generally considered the gold standard of welfare states and all of the top four countries there are Nordic though?
smokeandmirrors
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dispair
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I worked in retail for 8 years and would have killed to unionize during the three years I was doing it as my full-time job. The protections afforded to the modern worker are ridiculously paltry, yet I wouldn't say working in a store is less valuable to the economy in 2017 than working a repetitive task in a factory was 50 years ago, simply because the carrots and sticks of the market are such that people can get away with paying their workers less.
That America has seemingly forgotten the benefits of unionization simply because the most obvious perks have either been codified into law or so normalized that they are features of most regular jobs doesn't forgive the collective choice to stagnate in terms of securing and bolstering workers' rights.
Fenderputty
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:/ I come here to escape crazy OT hyperbole
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thepotatoman
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I really do need to educate myself on how the presidency could be turned into a dictatorship. Using the justice arm to discredit and even jail opposition is part of it, but I'm not sure if it's all of it.
ArkhamFantasy
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I mean, we're seeing some pretty blatant corruption here, and the republicans are defending it. People are going to get scared.
Ziltoidia 9
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Im going to join in and say "I cant believe....he would do it."
You read this article too? http://fusion.kinja.com/how-west-virginia-lost-the-workers-revolution-1794801462
It's really good except for the part where the writer ignores everything he's being told by locals and inserts his own rose-colored beliefs instead. (The first comment schools him on overlooking the mass racism.)
Also ordered Janesville to read, which is apparently quite negative on the ability of retraining programs to actually help.
balladofwindfishes
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I mean, if they really wanted to do so, "legally"
- Pass a law to add 10 new justices to the SC, and appoint stooges
- Pass a law saying elections are suspended until further notice
- Have the corrupt, packed court affirm that you have the power to do that
- ???
- Dictator time!
(this won't happen)
- Pass a law to add 10 new justices to the SC, and appoint stooges
- Pass a law saying elections are suspended until further notice
- Have the corrupt, packed court affirm that you have the power to do that
- ???
- Dictator time!
(this won't happen)
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thepotatoman
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Fair enough, people can get crazy about Trump even when he does something that's common, but this thing is the real deal. It's an extremely huge step towards fascism.
DrForester
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Trump gets hack into FBI post.
Russian Investigation is closed
Clinton investigation is re-opened and is in the news every week until midterms.
Russian Investigation is closed
Clinton investigation is re-opened and is in the news every week until midterms.
Bam Bam Baklava
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He's a stress test program being run in the simulation just to see how far it can go before it all breaks down.
Ziltoidia 9
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Like I knew he probably wanted to get rid of Comey but I never thought he would ever do it.
This is what happens when you surround yourself with yes men.
CrimzonSamurai
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It would have to be a full on constitutional amendment to increase the number of justices, right?
So like, no way that's happening.
I can't imagine they'll reopen the Clinton investigation after the publicness of it is the supposed impetus for the firing. But they are preeeeeetty dumb.
Carpe Libertatem
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no, the number of justices is set by legislation, not constitution. 60 votes does it, 50+Pence if filibuster is nuked.
(it won't happen,
increasingly nervous man says)
Yeah ok but the republicans in the senate already have a McCabe investigation underway saying hes the one that leaked the pee pee dossier. And that was seven days ago. Most likely they will fire him too making that a reason or something. Also McCabe's wife worked for Clinton I think.
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thepotatoman
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Alternatively, they are smart enough to know the conservative media alongside the "both sides" media will allow them to do literally anything.
CrimzonSamurai
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Ok, well, still. They're going to mostly appoint strict constructionists and strict constructionists aren't gonna be super down with opening the doors to the end of American democracy.
I mean they may not like abortion or gay marriage or whatever but the constitution pretty strictly states that we're supposed to be a republic here.
Unless there's a large swathe of the judicial that's pro-fascist that I'm unaware of.
balladofwindfishes
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Nope, they can do it right now if they wanted
Now you know why democracies fall all the time. Their balances are not really as strong as they seem, and with enough political will power, you could seize basically unlimited power legally using our system.
It almost happened before during the Roosevelt Administration. There is nothing in the constitution that dictates the courts size.
We are seeing unprecedented corruption. Every time someone says "Trump could never do that", he does it. I want to bring up all the posts saying he'd never fire Comey right now.
This is the fall of democracy.
I live in VA. My perception is this- the thing Unions have actually organized (the Fight for 15! thing) was pushed alongside an attempting to give themselves an exemption to the $15 minimum wage they were pushing. (this has happened in multiple cities.)
To organize people, you need some form of commonality, and that just doesn't exist in our modern age. I don't understand where this mass amount of organizable workers is supposed to come from.
Carpe Libertatem
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lol the Nixon Library twitter actually tweeted this
https://twitter.com/NixonLibrary/status/862083605081862145
https://twitter.com/NixonLibrary/status/862083605081862145
nintendoman58
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FFS they can't stop the 2018 elections without going through a LOOOOT of bullshit.
Nobody said he couldn't fire Comey. They just said he wouldn't.
balladofwindfishes
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haha, at least they're good sports that their namesake was corrupt
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