Mmmm...I suppose if you've got more conservatives that moderates, then why not just shrug and try and get all the conservatives on side.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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Mmmm...I suppose if you've got more conservatives that moderates, then why not just shrug and try and get all the conservatives on side.
Deuce Deuce
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I hear you. Work gonna be rough but we'll be popping some bottles later on.
My "Independent" father-in-law from Mesa will be visiting today. I think it'll be some interesting dinner conversation
Frank the Great
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Doesn't open enrollment start in the fall? So is Obamacare saved for another year?
No, because Trump can fuck with that period. He already tried to do it once.
BoogieWoogie
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It's on him and the GOP then.
Will the public realize the sabotaging taking place, though?
aspiegamer
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Collins was never even passively discussed as not being a hard 'no' the whole week and I can't recall any news of republicans trying to reach out to her in any way, so obviously they never made any effort to talk to her before or during the process. They seemed to ignore Murkowski until Wednesday night when various threats were sent her way instead of trying to include her for Thursday. Hell, they went to physically intimidate her on the senate floor just before the vote. So basically they didn't bother trying with her until they were concerned another 'no' might appear and it was way too late to do anything about it. Shame to Heller and Paul both for claiming to be principled rouges against all of this at the start of the week and promptly flopping over after that.
An aside, but it's fascinating how much drama even a generic static shot of the front of the senate chamber can produce. It's 99.99% snooze bar on CSPAN but it's priceless at times like this.
That would make for a good shot, but Trump was awake and -on the phone- with McCain until the moments before he walked into the chamber to vote. That's why the roll call was onto "P" as he walked in. What really happened is actually more awesome than the fiction would be.
An aside, but it's fascinating how much drama even a generic static shot of the front of the senate chamber can produce. It's 99.99% snooze bar on CSPAN but it's priceless at times like this.
The ruling party (and specifically the President) get blamed for everything while in power--rightfully and sometimes wrongly. They own this. They advertised from day 1 how they were going to fix this and they're the ones that failed to. If things go bad, people will look at them first.
Joe Shlabotnik
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In other news, Russia seized two diplomatic properties and ordered the US embassy to cut staff in retaliation against these ineffective sanctions that Putin totally isn't super-mad about.
BoogieWoogie
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The public will see the guys in charge doing nothing as the market collapses, so same thing basically. Not to mention big money interests will be breathing down their necks.
I hope someone in the futures writes the most blistering, scathing analysis of Trump and his presidency, and that the American have evolved enough to be disgusted and outraged by the fact that they voted for a president and lawmakers who insisted on working to strip healthcare benefits from people, and then proceeding to say that doing so was a GOOD THING for American people.
And I hope I am alive to see it happen.
And I hope I am alive to see it happen.
It just needs Pelosi, Schumer or Sanders to issue a statement saying "Trump's attempt to push Obamacare to failure is irresponsible when his own party have tried and failed to replace it with something - anything - else. The time for bipartisan improvement of the ACA is here."
Whether they will do that is something else.
RumbleHumble
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Yeah, Putin's definitely not upset or anything.
metalslimer
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What's the Arizona law on appointments for retirees/death? God we just have to run the clock out til 2018 and pick up at least 1 seat making it a lot harder
It is on progressive and liberal to start bombarding people with facts. Stop letting the GOP control the narrative. Point out everything the GOP and Trump are doing to sabotage healthcare. Rise up in states that did not implement the medicare expansion and demand that they do. Point out the insurance company that are fleeing state for greed. Keep writing. Keep calling. Keep protesting. Keep going to town halls.
The vote tonight was a battle, the war continues.
RumbleHumble
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You should find the Democrats' speeches during debate on the Senate floor last night (particularly Booker's). It'll give some hope for what's to come.
Thaedolus
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Governor must appoint someone of the same party to serve until the next election (which would be when Flake is also up in 2018)
excelsiorlef
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Ehhh he voted for the worst case scenario. His soul ain't back in his body.
Don't worry you guys, they are still trying to kill the poors on the state level.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2017/07/27/Pennsylvania-Senate-Medicaid-work-requirementsbudget-related-bill-code/stories/201707270112
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2017/07/27/Pennsylvania-Senate-Medicaid-work-requirementsbudget-related-bill-code/stories/201707270112
Veritigo_X
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The gasps from the GOP when McCain voted
McConnell's tears
I can't believe this actually happened
McCain should switch parties right before he steps down lol
McConnell's tears
I can't believe this actually happened
McCain should switch parties right before he steps down lol
I think that was the press up in the gallery.
What happens if they're an I like King and Bernie?
nature boy
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BoogieWoogie
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Yeah I'm sure Trump's real invested right before his three week vacation.
RumbleHumble
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Trump can say whatever the fuck he wants about re-trying. Fact is the Senate already motioned to move on. And after today, there's too much bad blood delivered between the Senate Republicans and the darling trio to ever get anywhere anymore regarding these bills.
The governor could just interview people he wants that are republican and have their choice change affiliation before appointing them then.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Would not really expect any less, but the full quote just sounds like bluster right now.
Veritigo_X
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"somehow"
Futurevoid
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They have to pass a debt ceiling, an actual budget before the end of September. Good luck. Keep fucking that healthcare chicken. Tax reform becomes a bigger pipe dream with each passing moment.
AnotherNils
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I can't believe Heller and Capito voted for that trash. Did Sandoval publicly give his position?
balladofwindfishes
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Sure, okay
I'm sure McConnell is up for some more embarassment
Sandoval was against it
And don't think for a second that he's crying because of health care - he's crying because he fucking LOST and will now have greatly diminished power from here on in.
BoogieWoogie
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Heller is going to be CRUCIFIED next year.
Dude loved to be called a "Master Tactician". Like you said, tears shed are just because of his reputation.
VendettaRed07
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Trump can't tell McConnell what to do.
It only matters if he sets it up at some point. Of course Trump isn't going to admit defeat.
Like I don't doubt they'll try again at some point but he's not the person to go to about it.
UberTag
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He can't be happy about Browder's eloquent testimony yesterday spelling out exactly what his motivations are to anyone who cared to take the time to read it or watch the hearing.
Schucky Ducky
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Wouldn't a new bill have to start over in the House again?
balladofwindfishes
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I believe so, since McConnell shelved this one
Black Republican
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how long till Murkowski gets clapped?
Went to sleep like a lot of people assuming this was a done deal and could not believe it when I saw the NY Times headline this morning.
As far as starting again, it is worth pointing out that line from McCain's official statement - he was a no because basically he did not trust Ryan and House Republicans. How do you run this process with so much distrust and animosity among your members in the House and Senate? House members are going to be pissed off and frustrated at the Senate for this, and it is clear that some Senators do not trust Ryan and the House. And then you have idiot numero uno in Trump sticking his nose in. What a clusterfuck for them.
As far as starting again, it is worth pointing out that line from McCain's official statement - he was a no because basically he did not trust Ryan and House Republicans. How do you run this process with so much distrust and animosity among your members in the House and Senate? House members are going to be pissed off and frustrated at the Senate for this, and it is clear that some Senators do not trust Ryan and the House. And then you have idiot numero uno in Trump sticking his nose in. What a clusterfuck for them.
nature boy
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BoogieWoogie
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