Aaron Strife
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Heller needs to wait until he hears what Sandoval thinks first, then he'll go with that for a month and then flip-flop on it.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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As was pointed out before, Gillibrand was in favor of a public option years ago (and actually most Democrats were; that's exactly what House Dems voted on before the Senate stripped it out!).
Oh thanks, I didn't realize that
Greigor The Fellhand
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I don't. fuck em. Let there hatred destroy there lives, and ruin all relationships they have.
Racists, especially nazi's aren't even trash. They're worse, their toxic waste and they should be treated as such.
He won't think that until Trump denounces the alt-right, which he won't. In fact hasn't Trump previously said there's no such thing as the alt-right?
Beer Monkey
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They are saying they feel bad for the non-racist family members. I do too.
RastaMentality
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I mean, I somewhat feel for these people but getting to raising a white nationalist has to include some form of neglect or lack of serious instruction. Just repeating "all people are created equal!" doesn't fucking cut it as a parent.
I'm sure it's not the case for everyone that was at the rally but drilling into your kids to not be racist should be top fucking 3 things you instill into your children.
Some of these parents are probably white moderates who sat idly aside as their kids inched towards where they are now. I've gone to school with diet racists and full blown aggressive racists and they don't randomly show up one day in Neo Nazi clothing. they voice that shit beforehand. And since I was hearing it at school, it definitely had to have been at home too.
I'm sure it's not the case for everyone that was at the rally but drilling into your kids to not be racist should be top fucking 3 things you instill into your children.
Some of these parents are probably white moderates who sat idly aside as their kids inched towards where they are now. I've gone to school with diet racists and full blown aggressive racists and they don't randomly show up one day in Neo Nazi clothing. they voice that shit beforehand. And since I was hearing it at school, it definitely had to have been at home too.
Bonen no Max'd
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Gillibrand supports single payer now
Greigor The Fellhand
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If the family knew there son was racist? fuck em. IF this truly is a surprising revelation, sure i feel a modicum of sympathy
whyamihere
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I don't feel bad for the actual racists.
Definitely. But also, some kids are just shitty and some people are sociopaths and no amount of parenting can save them.
Every one of these guys grew up in an environment that allowed them to become white supremacist terrorists. The parents are culpable.
So does Pelosi. It doesn't matter.
Yup. Lots is cultural, but some were always going to go bad because they're just fucking assholes.
Both the father and the nephew are pretty clear that they have no idea where this guy got his views from, have renounced him completely, and made clear that their own views are of the polar opposite. If we take their statements at face value, I think it's fair to say the family has nothing to do with him (other than, you know, blood).
Anyone in America with internet access is susceptible to becoming a white supremacist. Parenting can't do everything. Some people are just fucked up.
whyamihere
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I feel like you keep saying this and that nothing will ever come of it and that you support Gillibrand despite her support for single payer because wink wink it's never happening and this all seems like a bad strategy for someone who doesn't want single payer!
RastaMentality
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Were they neglecting their child? Allowing him to sit in a room every day after school browsing DailyStormer and post garbage on social media had to have played a role.
BlastProcessing
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This Charlottesville presser boils down to "The Nazis gave us their word that they would behave. What else could we have possibly done?"
whyamihere
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He's not wrong!
Fenderputty
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Heller just sold his soul over healthcare for a cushy private sector job. Why risk that now?
ErasureAcer
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Who the fuck let's Nazis go around the agreed plan of how to get into the park? Should we give them backstage access to the Super Bowl too? I said it days ago and I'll say it again. Police chief and mayor should resign. They're fucking idiots.
Illinois is right , these fuckers are a terrorist organization. They should all go to prison.
Also, the CNN stream ended with the truth. "This is getting fucking ridiculous."
Aaron Strife
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The last time America went "they don't actually believe that" we got Trump
jus sayin
Box of Kittens
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It's a good thing half of America didn't side with the Nazis so that we can use them as a clear cut case of evil rather than some noble lost cause. Had Trump merely failed to condemn Neo-Confederates instead of Neo-Nazis he might not have taken a hit to his support.
I don't have a problem with single payer in theory. You misunderstand the source my of my opposition to it.
I have a massive problem with destroying a gigantic % of the US economy and attempting to rebuild it inside the government in the span of a few years! Which is what it would take to make single payer happen given the current state of affairs.
I supported the public option in '09 and I still support it now. I don't have a problem with using the public option as a potential backdoor Single Payer situation if private insurers start abandoning markets in its wake. If it happens, it'll be on them.
Bernie/Gillibrand/etc are all starting to spout the same "public option as a first step" wording- there's obviously been talk behind the scenes about how to smooth out the messaging issues (some are deluded into thinking Single Payer could actually pass the House/Senate, some think that single payer and UHC are the same thing!) and at this point I'm just glad to see them trying to let the people who want to push us into a recession down gently before we even get power.
RastaMentality
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Their son was joking about throwing people into an oven. I'm not completely blaming the dad but some help should've been sought.
Holy shit did we talk about this?
New low for Alex Jones: white nationalists are really just "Jewish actors"
New low for Alex Jones: white nationalists are really just "Jewish actors"
Yeah, I mean, even if you think the parents of the crazy Nazi raised him wrong it's not really clear to me what you want them to do.
Saying "you'll have to murder us along with the people you want to purge because we will fight to defend them" sounds...like about as much as you can really expect from them?
Saying "you'll have to murder us along with the people you want to purge because we will fight to defend them" sounds...like about as much as you can really expect from them?
You can't. Parents can't be there 24/7. You do your best and set them free, and sometimes the results suck.
Box of Kittens
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"I don't even want to try and hide how much of a coward I am."
whyamihere
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like, exactly.
Spoiled Milk
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Let me tell you the story of right hand-left hand. It's a tale of good and evil. Hate: it was with this hand that Cain iced his brother. Love: these five fingers, they go straight to the soul of man. The right hand: the hand of love. The story of life is this: static. One hand is always fighting the other hand, and the left hand is kicking much ass. I mean, it looks like the right hand--Love--is finished. But hold on, stop the presses; the right hand is coming back. Yeah, he got the left hand on the ropes now, that's right. Ooh, it's a devastating right and Hate is hurt. He's down. Left-Hand Hate KO-ed by Love.
It's kind of true. Otherwise they just would've successfully sued for their right to march.
The thing is, if this keeps happening everytime someone from the Stormfront/R_t_D crowd shows up for a public appearance, eventually cities will be able to claim good probable cause for denying them speaking/marching permits on grounds of public safety. You simply declare that the city would be incapable of providing proper security (which was true in Charlottesville PD's case), and suddenly the only venues they could turn to are major cities with larger police departments, but where the opposition will more readily mass against them.
Edit: either that, or you have the victims of violence sue the cities for failing to provide proper security, which will give them more incentive to nip this in the bud next time.
Because they're grossly irresponsible.
You can't force someone to change.
Pretty much. You can't really expect anything else from them.
Futurevoid
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Dire wolves have really let themselves go.
RastaMentality
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i'm arguing that people should pay more attention to their children while upbringing. His statement was great but people should be finding more to do with clear signs from their children before it gets to be a very visible, global event.
I do agree this is all they can do now though.
Dubbedinenglish
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Absolutely. Muslim parents get dragged through the muds for the same thing.
I disagree. He's not some minor figure any longer. Let the whole of America see him and the kind of people supporting Trump.
Whose to say they didn't? At the end of the day he had a choice to make and he made it himself.
They shouldn't be getting dragged through the mud either.
ehhh there's a balance you don't want to give them a platform
Come on, how is any parent who isn't obsessively tracking their child's browsing history and stalking their social media profiles going to know when their son or daughter is checking Stormfront on a daily basis?
RastaMentality
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Probably since many people haven't seen the whole neo nazi thing as a pressing, immediate issue until this. unlike terrorism.
Lord_Byron28
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Not completely on topic. However, today my little brother posted a 'KKK, ISIS and Antifa are all the same' meme. I normally avoid dealing with those type of posts but since it was my brother, I did. I explained how Antifa is nothing like KKK and ISIS. That the meme was all propaganda that leads to extreme right radicalization. Also that I'm far more concerned about the Alt-right people that overthrew and occupied a government facility in Oregon for over a month. I backed up everything I said with sources. I started getting dogpiled by his friends being called a Marxist, socialist and an Antifa member. I responded saying 'I'd be happy to have an intelligent discussion citing credible news sources. Feel free to help me understand your perspective.' Of course they all ran away and didn't respond.
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