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Can someone here explain to me why people on the left want Schumer and Pelosi to step down?

I don't get what is supposed to be achieved with that other than massaging egos.

 

[JettDash]

The BRCA needed 60 votes even without the Cruz amendment

Some provisions of it did.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Some provisions of it did.

"some provisions" was like 75% of the bill

 

[Ogodei]

tbh, not that this is my preferred outcome in the slightest but just repealing the mandate would be a lot better than I imagined would happen on Nov 9th.

This is why i say we're not in the Darkest Timeline. Darkest Timeline is where Trump knows what he's doing (or listens and defers to people who do).

Imagine a world where AHCA was law back in April, where the Muslim Ban was being enforced by a coordinated effort by the executive to neuter judicial review of executive orders, and where the First Amendment Defense Act had passed and anti-LGBT discrimination was the law of the land.

Shit could be so, so much worse right now.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

What about death by a thousand cuts? Ex. They introduce legislation over time that chips away at various pieces of the ACA?

the problem with that is pretty much anything they could chip away at will bring the market crashing down around it.

 

[Autodidact]

Love how whyamihere has already made Rosen his dark horse for 2020.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Can someone here explain to me why people on the left want Schumer and Pelosi to step down?

I don't get what is supposed to be achieved with that other than massaging egos.

For Pelosi, because she's been around forever and it's believed that she can be painted as some radical in moderate districts because she's from San Francisco and a woman. Also, some on the far left hate her because she's said crazy things like the Democrat's should; stand for capitalism and of course, she didn't turn America into Sweden when she had a majority.

With Schumer, it's mostly Wall Street connections and the fact he wasn't a committed uber-partisan before.

Basically, until two Barbara Lee and Bernie Sanders are named leaders, some of Left Twitter won't be happy.

Ie. the whole 'bend the knee' fiasco

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

tbh, not that this is my preferred outcome in the slightest but just repealing the mandate would be a lot better than I imagined would happen on Nov 9th.

tbh it makes way more sense than Medicaid cuts, the individual mandate is super unpopular and way more associated with ACA than the Medicaid expansion.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm almost positive nobody outside of New York State's half dozen or so cities actually likes Schumer.

 

[JettDash]

"some provisions" was like 75% of the bill

They could have done the radical Medicaid cuts to pay for the tax cuts which was the essense of the bill.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm almost positive nobody outside of New York State's half dozen or so cities actually likes Schumer.

In fairness, he is our Senator. Not like he's got presidential ambitions.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

They could have done the radical Medicaid cuts to pay for the tax cuts which was the essense of the bill.

It's so funny they won't even get that now. They have to do their tax plan from scratch entirely.

 

[pigeon]

Can someone here explain to me why people on the left want Schumer and Pelosi to step down?

I don't get what is supposed to be achieved with that other than massaging egos.

They didn't lead enough and that's why we still have cars

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Good lord, I can see why Repubs have become so powerful at the internet game - nearly half of all Vice article comments are filled with diehard Trump supporters. Loud, obnoxious, wrong but the worst of it is that its actually working - a guy like me does not want to post nor read that section (irrational thinking pisses me off way too much) so it's filled with even more rightwing comments.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

In fairness, he is our Senator. Not like he's got presidential ambitions.

Thinking about how badly he'd lose in a presidential primary is kind of funny, though

Like he'd get absolutely clobbered.

 

[Autodidact]

For Pelosi, because she's a woman.

With Schumer, it's mostly (((Wall Street))) connections.

Gotta be more concise, baby. I fixed it for you.

 

[Pastry]

I guess I'm confused. Was this that lift repeal there was a thread about earlier? What other healthcare bills are left?

 

[Barzul]

Can anyone in this thread explain what can actually pass with 50 votes + Pence. I'm legit confused....if skinny repeal needs 60 votes then it's already a non starter right?

 

[Autodidact]

I want everything to fail so we can have a Hades-hair-on-fire meltdown from Trump and a caucus revolt against McConnell.

 

[Kusagari]

Someone needs to ask Trump what happens if nothing passes now.

Does Price still get fired?

 

[BoogieWoogie]

I guess I'm confused. Was this that lift repeal there was a thread about earlier? What other healthcare bills are left?

Repeal Only and Skinny Repeal is basically it.

I mean they can keep trying to shove out amendments but it's useless.

 

[Blader]

Capito saying up and down for days she was opposed to BCRA, just to turn around and vote *yes* on the bill when she knows it's going to fail anyway is completely mind boggling. WHY would you support a bill that you attacked repeatedly and you know is going to die with or without you anyway?!

 

[smokeandmirrors]

They didn't lead enough and that's why we still have cars

anyone who's still for cars needs to be primaried asap.

 

[Futurevoid]

Someone needs to ask Trump what happens if nothing passes now.

Does Price still get fired?

By September we'll have the Senate jammed up with all new cabinet appointees to replace all of the ones he's fired or pushed out. Trump presidency 2.0 - Trump Harder.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Gotta be more concise, baby. I fixed it for you.

I mean, I just assume people know that part.

The most hilarious was supposed leftists putting up Tim "I became pro-choice 12 seconds ago" Ryan as the replacement.

 

[Autodidact]

Capito saying up and down for days she was opposed to BCRA, just to turn around and vote *yes* on the bill when she knows it's going to fail anyway is completely mind boggling. WHY would you support a bill that you attacked repeatedly and you know is going to die with or without you anyway?!

Gotta defend that right flank.

 

[JP_]

So McCain did indeed vote on BRCA as-is despite saying he wouldn't hours before?

That's his signature move now where you been?

 

[B-Dubs]

Thinking about how badly he'd lose in a presidential primary is kind of funny, though

Like he'd get absolutely clobbered.

It wouldn't even be a contest.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

That's his signature move now where you been?

Oh, I know. I was just clarifying for myself because I just wanted to make sure this was the amendment to make the House AHCA bill into the BCRA.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Capito saying up and down for days she was opposed to BCRA, just to turn around and vote *yes* on the bill when she knows it's going to fail anyway is completely mind boggling. WHY would you support a bill that you attacked repeatedly and you know is going to die with or without you anyway?!

It's a bit baffling, yeah. If I'm a republican in WV thinking about higher office, she's now really fucking open to a primary challenge. You can just run on all the same shit except say you would've voted No. Can't even prove you wrong!

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Thinking about how badly he'd lose in a presidential primary is kind of funny, though

Like he'd get absolutely clobbered.

It wouldn't even be a contest.

What are the reasons for this? I honestly don't know anything about him aside from him being a dem from NY

 

[Deuce Deuce]

That's his signature move now where you been?

It's kinda like Shaq's drop step. You know it's coming, but no one can seem to stop it.

 

[Kusagari]

The only thing I can think of when it comes to Capito is she's just decided to attach herself relentlessly to Trump because WV loves him.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Can someone here explain to me why people on the left want Schumer and Pelosi to step down?

I don't get what is supposed to be achieved with that other than massaging egos.

I don't get telling Chuck to step down because he's still in his mid 60's and just took the Democratic senate leadership role over a few months ago.

But my position with Pelosi is mostly just her age and where we are currently at. Assuming we achieve what we want, winning the house in 2018, the Presidency in 2020, etc, and then time comes when we need someone with experience to whip difficult votes together, is she going to stay on from 2021-2023?

I mean if she thinks she can do it then fine. Nobody can just force someone to step down because "age" anymore than we can tell Biden or Bernie not to run. But I think it would be a mistake if she ends up stepping down sometime in 2020 that we didn't get in someone younger to get more experience in at a time where their job won't be as difficult as it would be should we achieve what we want.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What are the reasons for this? I honestly don't know anything about him aside from him being a dem from NY

The way he acts and talks is really only appealing to urban New Yorkers. I'm not even from NYC, but a smaller city in western NY and even around here everyone loves him.

He's also DEEP in the establishment.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I don't get telling Chuck to step down because he's still in his mid 60's and just took the Democratic senate leadership role over a few months ago.

But my position with Pelosi is mostly just her age and where we are currently at. Assuming we achieve what we want, winning the house in 2018, the Presidency in 2020, etc, and then time comes when we need someone with experience to whip difficult votes together, is she going to stay on from 2021-2023?

I mean if she thinks she can do it then fine. Nobody can just force someone to step down because "age" anymore than we can tell Biden or Bernie not to run. But I think it would be a mistake if she ends up stepping down sometime in 2020 that we didn't get in someone younger to get more experience in at a time where their job won't be as difficult as it would be should we achieve what we want.

I trust Nancy Pelosi to know that far better than the fanatics trying to push her out.

Plus, I bet whomever replaces her is going to be hated by the Left anyway as well.

 

[Autodidact]

Pelosi still looks amazing and moves very well for 77. You can never predict anything at that age, but I'd bet on her having the stamina to last through 2023.

 

[whyamihere]

Didn't Obama kind of campaign on a mandate-less ACA in the 08 primary? He sort of attacked Hillary for an insurance mandate iirc.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Wait pelosi is 77?!!!!?

The way he acts and talks is really only appealing to urban New Yorkers. I'm not even from NYC, but a smaller city in western NY and even around here everyone loves him.

He's also DEEP in the establishment.

Gotcha. Maybe we need that kind of person now haha.

Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

Didn't Obama kind of campaign on a mandate-less ACA in the 08 primary? He sort of attacked Hillary for an insurance mandate iirc.

Yes, but as kirblar will tell you, he lied to get the know-nothings on-board.

Wait pelosi is 77?!!!!?

Stealing conservative souls keeps a girl young.

Queen stays perched.

 

[tuxfool]

Pelosi still looks amazing and moves very well for 77. You can never predict anything at that age, but I'd bet on her having the stamina to last through 2023.

She's also a woman, she has an extra 5 years over the average man.

 

[whyamihere]

Yes, but as kirblar will tell you, he lied to get the know-nothings on-board.

I guess we're finally getting the real Obamacare then.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Didn't Obama kind of campaign on a mandate-less ACA in the 08 primary? He sort of attacked Hillary for an insurance mandate iirc.

He dragged her for it repeatedly and is what caused her "SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA" moment

 

[Autodidact]

I guess we're finally getting the real Obamacare then.

Moral of the story: Obama always wins.

 

[royalan]

You don't get to be as cunning as Nancy Pelosi and not know when it's time to prepare for your eventual stepping down. She's not in the position she's in because she's hungrily clinging to power. She's where she is because there's currently nobody better at what she does in Congress.

Lets save these critiques for the congresspeople who really are just bodies in seats.

 

[Barzul]

Didn't Obama kind of campaign on a mandate-less ACA in the 08 primary? He sort of attacked Hillary for an insurance mandate iirc.

Just can't see this working, Obama was wrong. Only positive is Trump would own the death spiral and the framework for ACA would still mostly be intact.

 

[Ogodei]

Wait pelosi is 77?!!!!?



Gotcha. Maybe we need that kind of person now haha.

Thanks.

Most of the Democratic leadership is at or well above retirement age (John Conyers is 88, there's a woman from New York who's a committee ranking member and is 90).

 

[whyamihere]

Yeah healthcare was one of the issues Obama definitely ran to the right of Hillary on in 08. Funny how she ended up getting outflanked on it this time after Obama basically stole her plan.

 

[johnsmith]

Trump fantasized about torture porn on stage at tonight's rally

 

[sc0la]

It's kinda like Shaq's drop step. You know it's coming, but no one can seem to stop it.

Shaq had the sense to retire when he was past his prime though