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[broz0rs]

I'm confused. Are they going to keep voting on this shit until 2018?

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

Why did McCain get praise today if he is doing shit like this? I don't get it.

Because people fall for his and Graham's tough talk bullshit every time and act surprised when they vote party line when the time actually comes. It's the same song and dance from those two every time.

 

[jack_package_200]

How many votes do they need for the skinny repeal?

 

[mackaveli]

Is the Skinny repeal tonight or at a later date?

 

[bananas]

How funny would it be if everything still fails and this entire shitshow was for no fucking reason .

 

[Kusagari]

Because people fall for his and Graham's tough talk bullshit every time and act surprised when they vote party line when the time actually comes. It's the same song and dance from those two every time.

Even Graham voted no on that last one.

Fuck McCain.

 

[JettDash]

How funny would it be if everything still fails and this entire shitshow was for no fucking reason .

That's my dream. You would have to assume that the Turtle would be finished as Majority Leader after that.

 

[RumbleHumble]

How funny would it be if everything still fails and this entire shitshow was for no fucking reason .

Not just funny. Likely too. Paul won't vote for anything beyond clean repeal. Murkowski and Collins are out. So they're fucked on anything else.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

I don't see Paul voting for a "skinny repeal", he'd see it as a stop gap.

 

[thefro]

How funny would it be if everything still fails and this entire shitshow was for no fucking reason .

Doesn't McConnell lose reconciliation after this series of votes since we've already motioned to proceed to debate?

 

[SenorArdilla]

Why did McCain get praise today if he is doing shit like this? I don't get it.

He's a maverick.

 

[Slizeezyc]

Is the Skinny repeal tonight or at a later date?

Later date since the assumption is whatever the Turtle is putting together is the skinny repeal.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

I'm confused. Are they going to keep voting on this shit until 2018?

Absolutely not, they have to get to work on taxes and there's that little matter of the budget. They're fucked and can't spend any more time on this shit before recess.

 

[kirblar]

I don't see Paul voting for a "skinny repeal", he'd see it as a stop gap.

If you believe that Paul's "ALL OR NOTHING" stance is a cover to let him pretend to be against it while letting it stick, then him voting perma-No is a legit thing. They'd have to flip Murkowski.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

The current bill on the Senate floor is the House's AHCA. This vote right now is an amendment to change the bill to the BCRA (the Senate's original bill). It just failed. Later this week McConnell will unveil his own amendment which will be the actual bill he wants to pass.

Ok, so BCRA that was out publicly failed because it needed the 60 to meet the determination of the parliamentarian. So AHCA is still the base bill they're debating on and working on? And then another amendment will be introduced to modify it.

So wouldn't that mean BCRA as it was is dead?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Doesn't McConnell lose reconciliation after this series of votes since we've already motioned to proceed to debate?

No, reconciliation is a budget thing. Technically they have until Oct. 1, but that's to pass *everything* they want to pass (because everything would be filibustered otherwise).

They have very little time to do the things they want to do.

So wouldn't that mean BCRA as it was is dead?

BCRA is completely dead.

 

[kirblar]

Ok, so BCRA that was out publicly failed because it needed the 60 to meet the determination of the parliamentarian. So AHCA is still the base bill they're debating on and working on? And then another amendment will be introduced to modify it.

So wouldn't that mean BCRA as it was is dead?

OG BCRA is dead.

AHCA is basically dead because it's the same as the BCRA.

The endgame here is either McConnell's "skinny" version (which might not even get enough votes!) or a curveball bipartisan bill.

 

[Ogodei]

I have a hard time seeing skinny repeal get around the Freedom Caucus. Not without bringing massive medicaid cuts (and defunding planned parenthood) back on the table.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Imagine them having to sell skinny repeal as this GREAT BILL THAT WILL DEFEAT THE HORRORS OF OBAMACARE.

I have a hard time seeing skinny repeal get around the Freedom Caucus. Not without bringing massive medicaid cuts (and defunding planned parenthood) back on the table.

Need 60 votes for that shit too.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I like how they wasted 2 months working on a bill only to have it die 43-57 as a procedure vote to move onto something else

Excellent use of resources!

 

[JettDash]

I like how they wasted 2 months working on a bill only to have it die 43-57 as a procedure vote to move onto something else

Senator Turtle is a tactical genius!

 

[BoogieWoogie]

I like how they wasted 2 months working on a bill only to have it die 43-57 as a procedure vote to move onto something else

Excellent use of resources!

And they only have 4 days to cobble something together. Man they are fucked.

 

[Aaron Strife]

tbh, not that this is my preferred outcome in the slightest but just repealing the mandate would be a lot better than I imagined would happen on Nov 9th.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Ok, so BCRA that was out publicly failed because it needed the 60 to meet the determination of the parliamentarian. So AHCA is still the base bill they're debating on and working on? And then another amendment will be introduced to modify it.

So wouldn't that mean BCRA as it was is dead?

The BCRA as we know it appears to be dead.

But there's reason to believe that the GOP knew it was going to die. What we're expecting next is that they put up what they call a "Skinny Repeal." It would only repeal the individual mandate of Obamacare, would only need 50 votes, and would basically be a disaster for the health insurance. The idea would then be for them to fix it later.

It's unclear if Skinny Repeal will get the votes, because the plan was basically thrown together really quickly.

 

[sc0la]

Maybe they all just really want to go on vacation and are rushing the votes to say it's dead r/n lmao

*an attempt was made*

 

[Barzul]

What happens if the Senate votes on bill before the CBO and Parliametarian review and it's later found out to be in violation of the Byrd rule? What happens then?

 

[TheLaughingStock]

she's got that Noam Chomsky language to appeal to the left side of the party too.

Why should any republican senator be bothered by the idea that she's appalled?

The CEOs of 70 of the largest U.S. health care companies cumulatively have earned $9.8 billion in the seven years since the Affordable Care Act was passed, and their earnings have grown faster than most Americans' during that time, according to an Axios analysis of federal financial documents.

https://www.axios.com/the-sky-high-pay-of-health-care-ceos-2442398819.html

The GOP simply wants to help people. There's no shame in that.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What happens if the Senate votes on bill before the CBO and Parliametarian review and it's later found out to be in violation of the Byrd rule? What happens then?

I don't think anything. The courts generally side with "it's senate rules, figure it out yourselves"

 

[mackaveli]

Will McConnell skinny repeal or whatever require 50 or 60 votes? Or we don't know till they release the bill?

 

[GoldenEye 007]

OG BCRA is dead.

AHCA is basically dead because it's the same as the BCRA.

The endgame here is either McConnell's "skinny" version (which might not even get enough votes!) or a curveball bipartisan bill.

So McCain did indeed vote on BRCA as-is despite saying he wouldn't hours before?

What happens if the Senate votes on bill before the CBO and Parliametarian review and it's later found out to be in violation of the Byrd rule? What happens then?

Can a bill like this without a CBO score even require just 50 votes?

 

[JettDash]

Will McConnell skinny repeal or whatever require 50 or 60 votes? Or we don't know till they release the bill?

There is no way it would be his plan if it needed 60 votes.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Can a bill like this without a CBO score even require just 50 votes?

The concept of just repealing the mandate has been scored before.

There is no way it would be his plan if it needed 60 votes.

The BCRA was his plan and that needed 60 votes. McConnell isn't really good at figuring out this whole reconciliation thing while crafting bills

 

[GoldenEye 007]

The concept of just repealing the mandate has been scored before.

Ah. Fun.

 

[RumbleHumble]

Why should any republican senator be bothered by the idea that she's appalled?



https://www.axios.com/the-sky-high-pay-of-health-care-ceos-2442398819.html

The GOP simply wants to help people. There's no shame in that.

Lol, yup! That's why the GOP is trying to repeal Obamacare! It's those damn CEOs making too much money! You caught it!

 

[Plinko]

Yes--now the anger at McCain is justified. Pointless speech earlier.

 

[bananas]

So McCain did indeed vote on BRCA as-is despite saying he wouldn't hours before?

What a maverick!

 

[ezekial45]

Ok, I'm confused. So the thing they voted on earlier that got enough votes was just struck down? Making this whole process, including McCain's presence a waste of time.

Is that what happened?

 

[GoldenEye 007]

And I'd assume the next step/amendment is straight repeal to make Rand Paul happy? Then finally the last chance (skinny repeal) that, let's be honest, will probably pass because GOP?

 

[Grexeno]

Ok, I'm confused. So the thing they voted on earlier that got enough votes was just struck down? Making this whole process, including McCain's presence a waste of time.

Is that what happened?

If McCain wasn't there they literally couldn't do anything

 

[JettDash]

The BCRA was his plan and that needed 60 votes. McConnell isn't really good at figuring out this whole reconciliation thing while crafting bills

That's because of the Cruz ammendment that wasn't scored. He could have just left it off if the BRCA was his plan going into the vote.

 

[Futurevoid]

Is the Skinny repeal tonight or at a later date?

Looking like early Friday right now.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

she's got that Noam Chomsky language to appeal to the left side of the party too.

too bad she's so old, seems otherwise pretty good. She should join the cosponsors of HR676

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Ok, I'm confused. So the thing they voted on earlier that got enough votes was just struck down? Making this whole process, including McCain's presence a waste of time.

Is that what happened?

They're just aiming at a "skinny repeal now" which just gets rid of the mandate and a medical device tax. Their original bill with the Cruz amendment failed, a "repeal only" bill will fail worse. It's fucking clownshoes and getting rid of the mandate would collapse the single payer market all the same. They're fucked.

 

[Tarydax]

Why should any republican senator be bothered by the idea that she's appalled?



https://www.axios.com/the-sky-high-pay-of-health-care-ceos-2442398819.html

The GOP simply wants to help people. There's no shame in that.

No, they don't.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Why should any republican senator be bothered by the idea that she's appalled?



https://www.axios.com/the-sky-high-pay-of-health-care-ceos-2442398819.html

The GOP simply wants to help people. There's no shame in that.

are you a joke poster? i refuse to believe that you actually think this is the case.

 

[RumbleHumble]

They're just aiming at a "skinny repeal now" which just gets rid of the mandate and a medical device tax. Their original bill with the Cruz amendment failed, a "repeal only" bill will fail worse. It's fucking clownshoes and getting rid of the mandate would collapse the single payer market all the same. They're fucked.

But laughingstock told me they're trying to repeal to stop the greedy CEOs. He told me the GOP cares!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

That's because of the Cruz ammendment that wasn't scored. He could have just left it off if the BRCA was his plan going into the vote.

The BRCA needed 60 votes even without the Cruz amendment

 

[RumbleHumble]

are you a joke poster? i refuse to believe that you actually think this is the case.

He's a troll crusading against the media with Blaze articles to show them that if they don't stop being mean to Trump they'll fail...whatever that means.

 

[whyamihere]

too bad she's so old, seems otherwise pretty good. She should join the cosponsors of HR676

She'll be 63 when she's inaugurated in 2020.

 

[Deuce Deuce]

OG BCRA is dead.

AHCA is basically dead because it's the same as the BCRA.

The endgame here is either McConnell's "skinny" version (which might not even get enough votes!) or a curveball bipartisan bill.

What about death by a thousand cuts? Ex. They introduce legislation over time that chips away at various pieces of the ACA?