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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair

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Most of the Democratic leadership is at or well above retirement age (John Conyers is 88, there's a woman from New York who's a committee ranking member and is 90).

Louise Slaughter, who nearly got slaughtered in 2014 but won by a decent margin last year.
 

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They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Trump fantasized about torture porn on stage at tonight's rally

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Christ, he sounds like the Joker.
 
Most of the Democratic leadership is at or well above retirement age (John Conyers is 88, there's a woman from New York who's a committee ranking member and is 90).
That little 90 year old lady is Loiuse Slaughter, my rep. I have never been repped by anyone other than her in my entire lifetime.

Going to be weird when she retires.
Louise Slaughter, who nearly got slaughtered in 2014 but won by a decent margin last year.
Against the same guy!

That near loss was part of the reason my mom registered to vote in 2016, for the first time in her life (and of course because of Hillary).
 

jtb

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Pelosi seems pretty sharp. I'm not worried about her. I think we need to replace the leadership apparatus around her before replacing her.
 

Everyone should realize that John McCain is the perfect American lie, a man who professes to be noble and fair and just while being none of those things. He served his country honorably in combat, but in no other fashion. And he serves out his time in the Senate, and here on planet Earth, as a pathetic enabler. Never the lion; always the sheep. For seventeen years, gullible people have been waiting for him to make his face turn, to make some grand defiant move for the sake of God and country. But that was always just clever branding on his part, and today should serve as a cold slap in the face to anyone who still thought he might have that kind of political courage left in him. He's a fucking disgrace.

Yeah this is pretty fucking spot on.
 
Pelosi seems pretty sharp. I'm not worried about her. I think we need to replace the leadership apparatus around her before replacing her.

Yeah, that would be nice too.

Anything so that we have some sort of back up plan or don't find ourselves in a difficult situation or with a gulf in leadership should something unfortunate happen over the course of the next few years.

Also I don't want a repeat of what happened with Republicans. Ryan was thrust into the job way too quickly and has shown he is terrible at it. We don't want that to happen should find ourselves in the position to actually pass legislation.
 
Trump describing a 15-16 year old girl as beautiful is more nauseating than anything. I have no doubt were it not frowned upon/illegal most of his wives would have been in that age range when he married them...
 

JettDash

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Trump describing a 15-16 year old girl as beautiful is more nauseating than anything. I have no doubt were it not frowned upon/illegal most of his wives would have been in that age range when he married them...

Trump saying he would bang his daughter if she wasn't his daughter is more nauseating than anything.
 
Someone needs to ask Trump what happens if nothing passes now.

Does Price still get fired?

He's probably moved on to yelling at Zinke that he can't set up a coal burning plant on a national monument.

Capito saying up and down for days she was opposed to BCRA, just to turn around and vote *yes* on the bill when she knows it's going to fail anyway is completely mind boggling. WHY would you support a bill that you attacked repeatedly and you know is going to die with or without you anyway?!

Or he threatened to snatch Capito's SuperPAC one.

Trump fantasized about torture porn on stage at tonight's rally

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August will be him living in this Happy Place 24/7 at this rate.
 
So on this skinny repeal proposal, CBO estimates it would save $416 billion over 10 years. Does that fund their tax plan?
No.

Their tax plan was predicated on gutting Medicaid.

Basically, AHCA/BCRA pays for its exorbitant tax cuts by gutting Medicaid and subsidies, but that wasn't the real aim.

Tax reform would repeal the AHCA/BCRA tax cuts to "pay" for whatever scheme Ryan cooked up next year. Those tax cuts weren't built to last, they just provided an excuse to go in hard on the social safety net.

The end result would have been cutting Medicaid to do tax reform, essentially. The $416b saved by repealing the mandate wouldn't go towards anything anyway.
 
No.

Their tax plan was predicated on gutting Medicaid.

Basically, AHCA/BCRA pays for its exorbitant tax cuts by gutting Medicaid and subsidies, but that wasn't the real aim.

Tax reform would repeal the AHCA/BCRA tax cuts to "pay" for whatever scheme Ryan cooked up next year. Those tax cuts weren't built to last, they just provided an excuse to go in hard on the social safety net.

The end result would have been cutting Medicaid to do tax reform, essentially. The $416b saved by repealing the mandate wouldn't go towards anything anyway.

Hm, so how would their tax plan fit into this if "skinny" repeal passes? It wouldn't really move the budget for anything useful it seems.
 
Doesn't a mandate-free ACA die a fiery death? I thought the entire purpose of the mandate was because insurers can no longer deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Always thought the two were intrinsically linked.
 

pigeon

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Doesn't a mandate-free ACA die a fiery death? I thought the entire purpose of the mandate was because insurers can no longer deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Always thought the two were intrinsically linked.

Yes, it would completely destroy the individual insurance market. The whole thing would death spiral.
 

JettDash

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Hm, so how would their tax plan fit into this if "skinny" repeal passes? It wouldn't really move the budget for anything useful it seems.

They would have to find some way to pay for the tax cuts in the tax bill. Assuming they want them to be permanent. I'm guessing they will give up on that and just do temporary tax cuts like Dubya did.
 
I'm surprised that the stock market has in no way reacted to the very obvious realization that they're not getting all those magical regulation waivers and tax cuts they were promised. Oh, and that republicans seem fine sabotaging the health care industry + they have an entirely different plan for the energy industry than what it wants.
Trump fantasized about torture porn on stage at tonight's rally

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What the freaking hell is he talking about? Like, seriously? Did he see this in a movie? An intel briefing? YouTube? 4chan? A hentai? ((Kidding)) There 4+ girls involved, by his accounting? One 16, a 15 and... "others." What the hell are we not being protected from anymore, allegedly? And since he's the goddamn President, it's sort of on him to fix it if this problem does exist!
 
Doesn't a mandate-free ACA die a fiery death? I thought the entire purpose of the mandate was because insurers can no longer deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Always thought the two were intrinsically linked.

CBO estimates a 20% increase in premiums as a result. Also like pigeon said, it would likely cause insurers to just full on pull out. There would be a much smaller "currently healthy" pool to help support those that need insurance more.

Then of course when those people that were healthy become unhealthy, they all of a sudden have no insurance. And it'll probably be extremely expensive.

I guess subsidies would help at some level.
 

B-Dubs

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CBO estimates a 20% increase in premiums as a result. Also like pigeon said, it would likely cause insurers to just full on pull out. There would be a much smaller "currently healthy" pool to help support those that need insurance more.

Then of course when those people that were healthy become unhealthy, they all of a sudden have no insurance. And it'll probably be extremely expensive.

I guess subsidies would help at some level.

Subsidies are only in the exchanges, if all the insurers pull out those become pointless. Of course individual states might be able to pass their own mandates and try to deal with some of the damage that way, but even then the national exchange would die a horrible death.
 
Subsidies are only in the exchanges, if all the insurers pull out those become pointless. Of course individual states might be able to pass their own mandates and try to deal with some of the damage that way, but even then the national exchange would die a horrible death.

So basically, blue states could notice little to no change, and red states could be fucked?

Good going, Don.
 

B-Dubs

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So basically, blue states could notice little to no change, and red states could be fucked?

Good going, Don.

I honestly don't know the law here, but maybe. Then again, the mandate isn't popular so the odds of any one state trying to keep it are low. If I were a NY assemblyman and was trying to bring it back, assuming our single payer's going nowhere, I'd tie it to a state-run public option and make it easily affordable. It might get through that way.
 
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