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[Mackenzie 92]

They're gonna ram it through somehow.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Byrd rule violations dont make the whole thing require 60 votes, just whatever provisions are found in violation

No PP defunding, no house vote. It has to be in there.

 

[Sobriquet]

Lawrence O'Donnell is straight up murdering the Mooch right now. Verbally.

Has anyone asked Rand Paul about this? He's not going to like some of the additional funding stuff

Well I'm sure he "won't like it" before he votes for it. As he always does.

 

[Barzul]

If they override it they're fucked. The next Dem majority we get, we're going to get that welfare state they so thoroughly hate.

 

[Zolo]

Lawrence O'Donnell is straight up murdering the Mooch right now. Verbally.



Well I'm sure he "won't like it" before he votes for it. As he always does.

I thought Rand Paul was one of the consistent 'no's until recently.

 

[maabus1999]

As I said in another thread, the HSA increase and medical device tax change reduces tax revenue, and I don't see anything else here that would compensate for that. This is a 60 vote bill.

EDIT: Also about 2.5 Billion in increased spending added for the Health Centers / States (422M up front and another 2B for States possible if requested). No way in hell this is a 50 vote bill...

 

[RumbleHumble]

We're at two hours of debate on the skinny, at which point they either vote or start proposing amendments?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I thought Rand Paul was one of the consistent 'no's until recently.

He was a no before Collins was during this whole process. Only recently when it looked like a clean repeal was on the table did he switch, and he was open to a skinny repeal, but not one that included additional junk as this one does.

 

[Kusagari]

If they nuke the filibuster it will make this all worth it because it means they can't stop us in 2020 and we won't have to worry about Democrats waffling over tradition.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

PP defunding passed the parliamentarian in 2015.

Maybe they think they can get it passed.

Or maybe they plan to just steamroll the parliamentarian.

This was literally ruled on last week! PP defunding was found to violate the Byrd Rule! Any move to steamroll that just ends the legislative filibuster.

 

[benicillin]

What a fresh hell nightmare this is.

 

[TumblingHippo]

If they override it they're fucked. The next Dem majority we get, we're going to get that welfare state they so thoroughly hate.

The next time the Dems get majority they'll insist on working together with Repubs and we'll be back where we started. As a Dem I wish I had more confidence in my own party but I don't.

 

[Barzul]

Why debate when the bill needs 60 unless they plan on overruling her? This bill isn't "skinny". Fuck I actually think it might be worse than the BRCA.

 

[pigeon]

This was literally ruled on last week! It was found to violate the Byrd Rule!

Parliamentarian rules by language, not by, like, sense of the bill.

Maybe they found different language that has the same effect.

Or maybe they're just yoloing. Who knows! Not me!

 

[Zolo]

Why debate when the bill needs 60 unless they plan on overruling her? This bill isn't "skinny". Fuck I actually think it might be worse than the BRCA.

Imagine if McConnell could have had a vote without needing anyone to actually see the bill at all.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

The next time the Dems get majority they'll insist on working together with Repubs and we'll be back where we started. As a Dem I wish I had more confidence in my own party but I don't.

What? The Dems have been as effective as they can be in ensuring the GOP gets as little through as possible. They may be a lot of things, but they haven't been spineless here.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Why debate when the bill needs 60 unless they plan on overruling her? This bill isn't "skinny". Fuck I actually think it might be worse than the BRCA.

They either nuke the filibuster to get this through or it gets shot down at 60 and they throw up their hands. That's the only options they have.

 

[Owzers]

Catch people off guard late at night with Paul Ryan guarantees and get them to vote yes. Not a bad move...for a turtle.

 

[RumbleHumble]

Parliamentarian rules by language, not by, like, sense of the bill.

Maybe they found different language that has the same effect.

Or maybe they're just yoloing. Who knows! Not me!

Considering they only started writing the bill this afternoon, definitely this.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Catch people off guard late at night with Paul Ryan guarantees and get them to vote yes. Not a bad move...for a turtle.

It's not really that simple

 

[Futurevoid]

It cuts a billion dollars from the CDC's 7 billion dollar budget? Oh boy.

 

[RumbleHumble]

What? The Dems have been as effective as they can be in ensuring the GOP gets as little through as possible. They may be a lot of things, but they haven't been spineless here.

Plus if it weren't for Dems we wouldn't have the ACA in the first place. Everything is terrible right now because, you know, McConnell is doing everything it seems he can to shove his bullshit down our throats.

 

[TumblingHippo]

What? The Dems have been as effective as they can be in ensuring the GOP gets as little through as possible. They may be a lot of things, but they haven't been spineless here.

I don't disagree, they're in unity now, and I imagine they'll be in unity if they regain majority, but I think that majority in unity will still wish to "work with" Republicans when they get back power.

 

[pigeon]

The PP defunding was changed to a higher reimbursement threshold from the previous language.

If the parliamentarian rules it in order, that's why.

 

[Barzul]

NYTimes calling it a "modest bill" in their blurb. GTFO.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

Plus if it weren't for Dems we wouldn't have the ACA in the first place. Everything is terrible right now because, you know, McConnell is doing everything it seems he can to shove his bullshit down our throats.

If Reid had been as ruthless as McConnell is being now, we could've had an ACA with a public option.

 

[RumbleHumble]

If Reid had been as ruthless as McConnell is being now, we could've had an ACA with a public option.

At this point, I'd hope the Democrats learned to fight fire with fire.

 

[Sobriquet]

I thought Rand Paul was one of the consistent 'no's until recently.

He's always a consistent "no" until it's time to vote. Maybe he'll do what he says for once? Not counting on it.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

If Reid had been as ruthless as McConnell is being now, we could've had an ACA with a public option.

Would have required ending the legislative filibuster, right? Lieberman was the one who shit on it. Even Turtle hasn't gone that far. Yet.

 

[Barzul]

This bill is going to pass. Too little tine to sway. They're voting on it in like 2 hours.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

This bill is going to pass. Too little tine to sway. They're voting on it in like 2 hours.

Enough time to protest the parliamentary for a ruling.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

And what about a CBO score? If this is different from a previous "skinny" bill, wouldn't CBO need to look at it?

 

[Sobriquet]

So good to see Josh Earnest back on TV <3

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Do they need 60 or 50 votes to pass this?

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

This bill is going to pass. Too little tine to sway. They're voting on it in like 2 hours.

This is madness.

 

[whyamihere]

@IanSams
Murray, Murphy, Tester, Brown and Manchin all speak in a row, urging regular order consideration of health bill in the relevant committees.

Literally as ideologically diverse on the left as you can get.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

This bill would blow open pre-existing condition coverage as well.

In all states or just opt-out ones?

 

[RumbleHumble]

Here's an outline for how things where things are going:

https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/890758259056848897

Skinny Bill gets a vote around midnight.

If Skinny passes, then it's another vote-o-rama on amendments for however long McConnell wants.

Once amendment time is over, there's a final vote on the skinny plus any of the amendments that were initially allowed.

 

[Barzul]

@mkraju

CBO score on this bill has NOT been released publicly

Looks like it's been scored but not yet released wtf?

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Do they need 60 or 50 votes to pass this?

It NEEDS 60 unless they nuke the filibuster.

 

[whyamihere]

IT'S GOING TO PASS AND THESE PEOPLE ARE MONSTERS AND THEY MUST PAY.

 

[shem935]

It NEEDS 60 unless they nuke the filibuster.

Not necessarily see above

 

[pigeon]

Do they need 60 or 50 votes to pass this?

We literally won't know until it's being voted on.

 

[benicillin]

Looks like it's been scored but not yet released wtf?

Topher says the CBO isn't expected until around midnight.

 

[royalan]

The next time the Dems get majority they'll insist on working together with Repubs and we'll be back where we started. As a Dem I wish I had more confidence in my own party but I don't.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Not necessarily see above

A shit ton of those amendments sure as hell do.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

If it needed 60 they wouldn't be voting tonight.

 

[Barzul]

Fuck this is how it begins to end for some people.

 

[Zolo]

Gonna go distract myself for the next couple of hours.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

If it needed 60 they wouldn't be voting tonight.

Not necessarily, the BCRA ended up needing 60 and they were ready to vote on that on a moments notice